Post by: Wenatcheejay on March 24, 2010, 12:37:55 PM
http://wdfw.wa.gov/about/regulations/2010/wsr_10-04-125_revisions.pdf (http://wdfw.wa.gov/about/regulations/2010/wsr_10-04-125_revisions.pdf)
Bear is on page 49.
Post by: bobcat on March 24, 2010, 12:47:57 PM
Post by: Bob33 on March 24, 2010, 12:50:54 PM
Like typical politicians, they decided to lay low and hope the people would forget.
Post by: bigtex on March 24, 2010, 12:55:55 PM
Post by: bobcat on March 24, 2010, 01:00:04 PM
Post by: Bob33 on March 24, 2010, 01:12:50 PM
Post by: bigtex on March 24, 2010, 01:16:47 PM
In 2009 they ultimately fessed up to admitting that a big part of the reason for wanting to move the season was to avoid conflicts between hunters and recreational users like hikers.
I agree with you on that, however the areas they proposed changing are areas that are pretty rural. It is not like they are changing the Issaquah or Snoqualmie units which gets a lot of pressure from hikers and hunters, if they did change those units then I think the writing on the wall would be easier to see.
Post by: bobcat on March 24, 2010, 01:20:35 PM
Post by: bearpaw on March 24, 2010, 01:29:24 PM
Post by: colockumelk on March 24, 2010, 01:52:10 PM
I wish I had paid more attention at the meeting, but I didn't attend for that issue. It will be interesting to see if the Commission approves the shorter season, after the GMAC member spoke so strongly against it, due to a "loss of hunting opportunity" (or something similar to that.) Apparently the GMAC has a strong influence on WDFW decisions, so we will see....
I have come to learn that the WDFW commission only pays lip service to the GMAC and also to the WDFW Bio's. You would think that they would listen to them since the bios and the GMAC are literally subject matter experts. But instead the commission often times "listens" to them and then goes ahead and does whatever their agenda is anyways. It's not the bio's fault or the GMAC's fault. It's the corrupt commissions fault.
Post by: Bob33 on March 24, 2010, 02:37:44 PM
I have come to learn that the WDFW commission only pays lip service to the GMAC and also to the WDFW Bio's.Sometimes that's not such a bad thing. I do hope the Commission ignores WDFW's proposal (blessed by GMAC) to mess up the deer and elk draws.
Post by: bobcat on March 24, 2010, 03:39:19 PM
I have come to learn that the WDFW commission only pays lip service to the GMAC and also to the WDFW Bio's.Sometimes that's not such a bad thing. I do hope the Commission ignores WDFW's proposal (blessed by GMAC) to mess up the deer and elk draws.
:yeah:
It seems the GMAC doesn't necessarily represent the majority of hunters anyway.
Post by: Houndhunter on March 24, 2010, 05:09:13 PM
anyone have a link or e-mail address we can send a letter too?
Post by: Bob33 on March 24, 2010, 05:28:58 PM
Contact the Commission
Mailing Address
600 Capitol Way N.
Olympia, WA 98501-1091
Phone: 360-902-2267
Fax: 360-902-2448
commission@dfw.wa.gov
Post by: saylean on March 24, 2010, 06:35:17 PM
Post by: winston2789 on March 24, 2010, 06:52:31 PM
If it was due to a decline in bear pop, why not make a bag limit of 1 instead of two?
You think that would be the logical thing to do! Seems like their reasoning never makes any sense :dunno:
Post by: bigtex on March 24, 2010, 06:54:51 PM
Post by: boonerboy on March 24, 2010, 06:56:08 PM
Post by: bobcat on March 24, 2010, 07:05:54 PM
Management Unit
Coastal Aug. 1 -Nov. 15, 2010 GMUs 501, 504, 506, 530, 601, 602, 603,
Aug. 1 - Nov. 15, 2011 607-621, 636-651, 658-663, 672-684
Puget Sound Aug. 1 -Nov. 15, 2010 GMUs 407, 410, 454, 624, 627, 633, 652,
Aug. 1 - Nov. 15, 2011 666, 667
North Cascades Aug. 1 -Nov. 15, 2010 GMUs 418-450, 460
Aug. 1 - Nov. 15, 2011
South Cascades Aug. 14 - Nov. 15, 2010 GMUs 466, 485, 503, 505, 510-520, 524,
Aug. 13 - Nov. 15, 2011 550-574, 653, 654
Okanogan Aug. 14 - Nov. 15, 2010 GMUs 203, 209-243
Aug. 13 - Nov. 15, 2011
East Cascades Aug. 1 -Nov. 15, 2010 GMUs 244-247, 249-251, 328, 329-368,
Aug. 1 - Nov. 15, 2011 382, 388, 578
Northeastern A Sept. 1 - Nov. 15, 2010 GMUs 101-121, 204
Sept. 1 - Nov. 15, 2011
Northeastern B Aug. 14 - Nov. 15, 2010 GMUs 124-130
Aug. 13 - Nov. 15, 2011
Blue Mountains Sept. 1 - Nov. 15, 2010 GMUs 145-154, 162-186
Sept. 1 - Nov. 15, 2011
Columbia Basin Aug. 1 -Nov. 15, 2010 GMUs 133, 136, 139, 142, 248, 254,
Aug. 1 - Nov. 15, 2011 260-290, 371-381
Long Island Sept. 1 - Nov. 15, 2010 GMU 699
Sept. 1 - Nov. 15, 2011
Post by: Houndhunter on March 24, 2010, 07:11:30 PM
Because there are some parts of the state that have healthy or even a surplus of bears. It would be like saying lets lower the limit of trout in lakes from 5 to 3 because Moses Lake is seeing a decline in trout population. You don't change the entire "system" just because of a few certain areas...
than what about allowing to harvest only one bear in these units? if they cared about the sportsman they wouldnt be taking away from us
i can kill two bears just the same without having those two weeks so it dosent help the bear population at all, best time to hunt them is sept imo. just sucks cause i really like hunting those areas and even though it will not stop me from killing a bear(s), it takes away from my opportunitys which they shouldnt be doing without reason
Post by: boonerboy on March 24, 2010, 07:12:52 PM
Post by: Wenatcheejay on March 24, 2010, 07:39:56 PM
Post by: Houndhunter on March 24, 2010, 07:42:25 PM
Post by: winshooter88 on March 24, 2010, 07:47:39 PM
Post by: Houndhunter on March 24, 2010, 07:53:11 PM
The change isn't because of low total population, it is because to many female bears are taken in the spring in those areas. Data shows that more females are taken early in the spring season than at any other time. So they want to shorten the season in those areas that are affected instead of the whole state. This wouldn't be as much of a concern if baiting was still allowed so you could have a chance to see if the bear was male or female.
the south cascades doesnt have a spring permit
Post by: Wenatcheejay on March 24, 2010, 08:08:48 PM
The change isn't because of low total population, it is because to many female bears are taken in the spring in those areas. Data shows that more females are taken early in the spring season than at any other time. So they want to shorten the season in those areas that are affected instead of the whole state. This wouldn't be as much of a concern if baiting was still allowed so you could have a chance to see if the bear was male or female.
the south cascades doesnt have a spring permit
I agree with the bait issue. But, baiting was another slice in this. I don't hunt in Aug so, I don't care. I don't hunt bait so, I don't care. I don't hound hunt so, I don't care. I don't archery, muzzy, rifle, well sooner or later you will care. These tactics are going on all around us. Just please, fire off a letter guys, care for once.
Thanks in advance to those who will care.
Post by: Antlerking on March 24, 2010, 08:14:16 PM
Post by: Alan K on March 24, 2010, 08:16:07 PM
the south cascades doesnt have a spring permit
Kapowsin does.
And this change does affect me, as thats the area that I was planning to hunt this August. School starts around the 20th of August here at the U of I, so I'll likely only get a day, maybe two to hunt now, rather than the first two weekends. >:(
Post by: billythekidrock on March 26, 2010, 06:04:18 AM
I made a couple records requests for specific data files and F&W said they didn't exist. (go figure)
They said that eliminating the second bear tag would not help because not very many people harvest two.
If this is truly the case (low density and female mortality) then I would support a change for the next couple years. BUT I would rather they take off the "opportunity" is reverse of how they gave it.
1. Remove the second bear option.
Yes, I know you can only kill one on the eastside, but having a second option makes some feel that we have an abundance of bears.
2.Shorten the season from the end. (Used to end two weeks earlier)
Many incidentals are taken during deer and elk seasons. Yes, the whole eastside used to start in Sept so maybe the season ("opportunity") is longer but if they need to shorten it further then let the season run from August 1st to October 15th.
Let the bear hunters have their own season. If they move it up to Sept like they want, I can see a rush that affects the archery deer/elk guys.
Or F&W will change bear hunting to the same new (crappy) cougar rules with specific weapons during specific dates.
Post by: billythekidrock on March 26, 2010, 06:08:38 AM
The change isn't because of low total population, it is because to many female bears are taken in the spring in those areas. Data shows that more females are taken early in the spring season than at any other time. So they want to shorten the season in those areas that are affected instead of the whole state. This wouldn't be as much of a concern if baiting was still allowed so you could have a chance to see if the bear was male or female.
If it were due to "to many female bears are taken in the spring in those areas" then they would/should cut back on permits or close it during season.
Post by: winshooter88 on March 26, 2010, 11:22:41 PM
The change isn't because of low total population, it is because to many female bears are taken in the spring in those areas. Data shows that more females are taken early in the spring season than at any other time. So they want to shorten the season in those areas that are affected instead of the whole state. This wouldn't be as much of a concern if baiting was still allowed so you could have a chance to see if the bear was male or female.
Sorry my mistake, it should have read fall instead. No excuse just a mistake.
Post by: billythekidrock on March 27, 2010, 06:09:44 AM
It's all good.
Post by: colockumelk on March 29, 2010, 04:19:47 PM
Kapowsin does.
And this change does affect me, as thats the area that I was planning to hunt this August. School starts around the 20th of August here at the U of I, so I'll likely only get a day, maybe two to hunt now, rather than the first two weekends. >:(
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Screw Kapowsin. Kapowsin complains constantly to the WDFW about bear damage and how the WDFW needs to do something about it. So the WDFW puts out some spring bear permits. What does Kapowisn do? Charge those permit holders an access fee. :bash: AND The WDFW lets them do that. Here's a thought to farmers. IF YOU FARM IN THE WOODS OR NEAR WILD ANIMALS SUCK IT UP!!! If you don't like the damage and its that big of a deal build a freaking fence. ****This especially applies to the Hay Farmers in Kittitas Valley****