Post by: h2ofowlr on April 12, 2010, 08:58:08 PM
Weight 5 lbs. ( May vary depending on caliber and options)
Action Customer supplied Remington 700, then lightened and blueprinted
Bolt Fluted and handle hollowed, lapped and face trued
Barrel Match grade stainless steel Lilja, skip fluted
Muzzlebrake Included stainless Quiet Slimbrake II
Trigger Guard Hinged floorplate, customized with Pear Flat engraving and individually numbered
Bolt Shroud Aluminum hexagon
Metal Finish Black teflon with silver flutes
Stock Hand laminated blend of Kevlar/Graphite and Boron, pillar glass bedded
Pad Rifles' custom
Post by: high country on April 12, 2010, 09:27:48 PM
Post by: MichaelJ on April 12, 2010, 09:40:46 PM
If you wouldn't mind something in the 6- 6.5 lb range then I think you're combo looks pretty good...
Just curious on why the weight limitation? With that limitation, I'd just have the action trued, and adjust the trigger and call it good... maybe a lighter scope, but it's pretty hard to get lighter than factory with increased accuracy, and a lot of stock 700's out there shoot sub MOA groups... just my :twocents: and I very well could be wrong...
Michael
Post by: h2ofowlr on April 12, 2010, 09:46:36 PM
Post by: jackelope on April 12, 2010, 09:54:41 PM
and a lot of stock 700's out there shoot sub MOA groups... just my :twocents: and I very well could be wrong...
Michael
an average 700 requires work to get reliably under MOA.
I wonder what kind of groups you'd really get shooting the barrel it takes to build a 5lb 300wm.
Post by: MichaelJ on April 12, 2010, 10:08:25 PM
an average 700 requires work to get reliably under MOA.
I wonder what kind of groups you'd really get shooting the barrel it takes to build a 5lb 300wm.
Agreed that a lot of factory 700's don't, but every now and then you'll see an action that will shoot sub MOA or MOA. Their actions can be a little inconsistent, I've heard more that the more consistent actions (when talking about not needing to be 'trued') are coming from Savage and Tikka, but my 700 does shoot MOA groups at 100 yards (Not sub MOA)... It's gonna shoot better than that too once I'm done with it, but weight will be a tiny issue. With a scope I should be around 8 lbs or so with an aftermarket barrel and rechambered in .280 Ackley.
If weight was a serious concern, I'd probably go with a short aftermarket heavy flutted barrel, superlight stock bedded with a good aluminum recoil lug (without one you aren't gaining anything over a factory stock except maybe a few ounces, and a wider channel for a heavier contour barrel, the factory stocks are already super light if they're synthetic.), true up the action and adjust the trigger and have this all done by a competent gunsmith should get him a sub MOA rifle, if he can shoot MOA groups is another thing but the gun should be capable...
Mike
Post by: high country on April 12, 2010, 10:40:21 PM
keep in mind a 5lb 300 is gonna lay a pop on you. the recoil force is not bad, bu the velocity is way sharp, so scopes are not likely to last long......been down that road too.
Post by: Elk-aholic on April 13, 2010, 09:05:20 AM
Post by: jackelope on April 13, 2010, 09:08:11 AM
keep in mind a 5lb 300 is gonna lay a pop on you. the recoil force is not bad, bu the velocity is way sharp, so scopes are not likely to last long......been down that road too.
thats got to be true...
Post by: Woodchuck on April 13, 2010, 09:17:06 AM
Post by: whacker1 on April 13, 2010, 09:21:07 AM
http://www.christensenarms.com/rifles.html (http://www.christensenarms.com/rifles.html)
Post by: Bob33 on April 13, 2010, 09:24:53 AM
Post by: ChesapeakeMan on April 13, 2010, 10:01:51 AM
Post by: whacker1 on April 13, 2010, 10:23:37 AM
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No way the Christiansen in 300 WM will weigh 5.5. It will go closer to the 7 end
I agree Bob. Tough to do with a long action. might have better luck with one of the Short action magnums? One of my friends bought a 300 wsm that Christiansen made and it is in the 5 3/4 range, but not when you top it with a scope. I think he ends up being closer to 6 3/4 or better after scope.
Post by: Rob on April 13, 2010, 12:55:16 PM
Don't believe i would ever want to be behind a 5lb 300WM, sounds like a set of stitches coming on the express lane to me :bdid:
I have an Rem Alaskan Ti in 300 WM. 7.25 pounds loaded, with the sling, and the ultra light Leupold 3-9 scope. It is a dream to carry. It is pure punishment to shoot her on the range. It has the fluted bolt and barrel and a Titanium receiver. Not sure how you would reduce the weight much beyond that other than modify the stock in some manner.
She does kick like a mule - far worse than my 338 WM and my buddies 300 Wby Mag. If you dropped the weight by another 2.25 pounds I think you would want to pre-book an appt for rotator cuff surgery.
Post by: Bob33 on April 13, 2010, 01:05:30 PM
I have an Rem Alaskan Ti in 300 WM. 7.25 pounds loaded, with the sling, and the ultra light Leupold 3-9 scope. It is a dream to carry. It is pure punishment to shoot her on the range. It has the fluted bolt and barrel and a Titanium receiver. Not sure how you would reduce the weight much beyond that other than modify the stock in some manner.That scope weighs 10 ounces. Add a few ounces for the mounts, and maybe 6 ounces for the sling. That means the gun itself is probably around 6 1/4. A 5 pound gun would end up at around 6 with your gear. Extremely light.
I have a Tikka T3 in 30-06 with the Leupold 3-9 Ultralight. The gun itself is 6 lbs, 3 oz. It is on the borderline of being "challenging" to shoot. I can't imagine what it would be like at 5 pounds, much less if it were a 300 Magnum.
Post by: Rob on April 13, 2010, 01:28:46 PM
The nice thing is, while she is a punisher on the range, I don't even feel the recoil in the field. Gotta love the rush of excitement!
Post by: whacker1 on April 13, 2010, 01:33:39 PM
Post by: Rob on April 13, 2010, 01:43:59 PM
Sounds like something to add to the list!
No to hijack the thread, but if anyone knows of a good gunsmith on the west side who has experience doing this kind of work, I'd love to have the contact info PM'd to me.
Post by: Rick on April 13, 2010, 01:50:46 PM
5 3/4lbs before scope.
Post by: whacker1 on April 13, 2010, 05:16:42 PM
Post by: h2ofowlr on April 13, 2010, 05:21:50 PM
Post by: MichaelJ on April 13, 2010, 06:36:23 PM
Michael
Post by: h2ofowlr on April 13, 2010, 08:04:08 PM
My dads friend used to work on some of our custom bench rest rifles in the past, but those aren't for packing.
Post by: high country on April 13, 2010, 08:20:02 PM
Post by: jackelope on April 13, 2010, 08:21:18 PM
:dunno: makes a lot more sense to me...unless you have a lot of $$ to burn.
Post by: jackelope on April 13, 2010, 08:22:14 PM
Post by: MichaelJ on April 13, 2010, 09:09:07 PM
If I were you, I'd pick up a good sporter stock with full aluminum bedding block, Rock Creek barrel, pretty sure they make a Carbon fiber wrapped barrel or they can get you a fluted barrel, call them direct and tell them your goals and they'll recommend a twist rate and length, if you're gonna be shooting the heavier bullets you're probably gonna be in the 1 in 9" twist rate range I'm guessing, and they should thread it for your muzzle brake as well, have a smith true up your action, buy a fluted bolt or have you're stock one fluted, and call it good... Anything past this and you're getting into some SERIOUS money for not a whole lot of gains.... Just my .02
If you're gonna be shooting at any distance, you're probably gonna have a bi-pod as well which is gonna add some weight, throw in a few ounces for a good picatinny 10 or 20 MOA base from Seekins Precision in Lewiston ID as well as their 6 screw rings and top it with your scope of choice and you're good to go... Still gonna be very manageable weight wise for carry... if you bitch about a 7 lb gun for hunting that can reach out to near or at 1000 yards then you need to grow a set... just my :twocents: :chuckle:
Michael
Post by: 257 Wby Mag on April 13, 2010, 09:56:17 PM
5 3/4lbs before scope./ Quote
Or a Weatherby Ultra Lightweight 300 win for $1200.00 that will shoot sub/moa. Or better yet, a 300 Roy @6 3/4lbs...
Post by: high country on April 14, 2010, 04:58:50 AM
Post by: 257 Wby Mag on April 14, 2010, 06:09:46 AM
Post by: MikeWalking on April 14, 2010, 09:41:38 AM
Spend your late teens and early 20's humping an M60 across the Tundra or from Pacific to Atlantic through Panama. Occasionally trade it for a PRC77 23lb backpack radio or a 90mm Recoilless Rifle. (wow I'm old!) I was soooo happy when all I had to carry was just a plain old M16.. :chuckle:
After all that I just don't have it in me to be interested in making a hunting rifle weigh less than 7-8lbs. I just can't complain about a rifle being heavy, especially if it's a major round. The 45-70 I pack to Alaska is 7.5 loaded with 6rds of 430gr thumpers. I wouldn't want it any lighter.
I've known guys that would spend $1000 to shave 2lbs off a bicycle but still eat junk and gulp beer like there's no tomorrow.
Post by: littlemac on April 14, 2010, 10:01:11 AM
I've known guys that would spend $1000 to shave 2lbs of a bicycle but still eat junk and gulp beer like there's no tomorrow.
I always figured it was easier from me to loose a few than worry about my Weatherby's being lighter. It seems almost every time I'm hunting with someone and we come to a crossing (fence etc) and we hold each others rifles, I get some comment about how damned heavy my rifle is. I guess I just never noticed it.
Now if I were to go goat/sheep hunting I do believe I'd be looking for a lighter rifle for sure.
Post by: whacker1 on April 14, 2010, 10:06:51 AM
If I do get drawn for a goat permit, I would probably be looking to lighten the pack, and willing to spend some money to do it.
Post by: MikeWalking on April 14, 2010, 03:23:55 PM
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I figure that I have 50 + lbs to give up before I spend a lot to lighten a rifle.
um? uh? mmm? me too :chuckle:
Of course if I had just won the Lotto...I'd be looking for a 5lb rifle with a 100x moonscope that could fire a 250gr titanium bullet out to 3 miles with only 6in of drop...oh and with a silencer too :drool: :chuckle:
If I said what for the Secret Service would be here.. :rolleyes: :chuckle:
Post by: Alchase on April 15, 2010, 12:09:19 PM
Sako Finlight, 300 win mag, 6 13/16lbs,
http://www.sako.fi/pdf/specs/85Finnlight.pdf (http://www.sako.fi/pdf/specs/85Finnlight.pdf)
From the factory with sub MOA, 5 round group target included, signed by shooter.
There are plenty of guns less then 4k that shoot sub MOA.
Post by: jackelope on April 15, 2010, 01:23:25 PM
Why spend 4k to build what you can buy for $1500.00
Sako Finlight, 300 win mag, 6 13/16lbs,
http://www.sako.fi/pdf/specs/85Finnlight.pdf (http://www.sako.fi/pdf/specs/85Finnlight.pdf)
From the factory with sub MOA, 5 round group target included, signed by shooter.
There are plenty of guns less then 4k that shoot sub MOA.
He wants a 5 pound rifle though, not an almost 7 pound rifle.
Post by: Alchase on April 16, 2010, 12:02:30 PM
Post by: WDFW-SUX on April 16, 2010, 12:45:51 PM
Post by: Rob on April 16, 2010, 02:58:24 PM
It was like a bomb to shoot.
I writting that one down!