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Equipment & Gear => Archery Gear => Topic started by: arrowflinger on April 29, 2010, 08:59:26 AM

Title: new to Trad archery
Post by: arrowflinger on April 29, 2010, 08:59:26 AM: I just finished up my bow...I built a recurve with Carbon River Archery. It is 62" 55lb @ 28" draw.

I am looking for some advice in a quiver, arrows and just all knowledge. I have shot them and I have a compound. I'll post pictures in the next few days.

Thanks in advance.
Title: Re: new to Trad archery
Post by: arrowflinger on April 29, 2010, 09:08:03 AM: Here are a few pics.....
Title: Re: new to Trad archery
Post by: quadrafire on April 29, 2010, 09:16:39 AM: Sweet! I like it. I don't have any advice as this it the rout I'm wanting to go. Will watch for other replies as well. Good luck.
Was that a kit or through a class?
Title: Re: new to Trad archery
Post by: Ratdog68 on April 29, 2010, 09:19:01 AM: Quote from: arrowflinger on April 29, 2010, 08:59:26 AM
I just finished up my bow...I built a recurve with Carbon River Archery. It is 62" 55lb @ 28" draw.

I am looking for some advice in a quiver, arrows and just all knowledge. I have shot them and I have a compound. I'll post pictures in the next few days.

Thanks in advance.

Congrats to ya on the recurve build. Nuttin' like makin' one yourself ! I built my first bow (longbow) last year, it was a hoot ! Try some full length Golt Tip 3555 shafts, some 4" LW feathers and 125gr points... or get yourself some Port Orford Cedars spined for your draw weight. I'd still go with the LW feathers and same points. Feathers are so much better off the shelf than vanes. I use a Martin fletching jig for making up my arrows

Get yourself the tackle you need to twist up your own Flemish Twist strings too. If you don't wanna twist your own... go see Larry at Wholesale Sports in Federal Way and sweet talk him into making you a string. He might have some Gold Tips in stock too. He's good people and will do ya right.
Title: Re: new to Trad archery
Post by: arrowflinger on April 29, 2010, 09:44:15 AM: this was from scratch...It was a blast. I made my own strings also. Thank you so far for the info.
Title: Re: new to Trad archery
Post by: STIKNSTRINGBOW on April 29, 2010, 09:46:19 AM: Thats cool !
As far as a quiver goes, it matters what you like...
I use a Dawgware side quiver, or a Leather side stalker, it keeps the arrows within reach, and doesn't snag up on bushes as much as a back quiver.
And I don't have to switch arrows when I pick a different bow to hunt with (I own several in the same weight class)
Although, I have a Selway bow quiver on my '52 Grizz.....
P.S. Make sure to bring it to the "Western States Renezvous" in Packwood the last weekend in May.... :archery_smiley:
Title: Re: new to Trad archery
Post by: carpsniperg2 on April 29, 2010, 10:33:19 AM: there is allot of diffrent trad quivers its just up to you what you like and fits you best as well. as far as arrows you can shoot wood or carbon the best carbons out there for the trad bow that i have are arrow dynamics they are a tapered carbon but the gold tip trads work well also.
Title: Re: new to Trad archery
Post by: tlbradford on April 29, 2010, 01:27:01 PM: I shoot the Grizzlystick Alaskans out of my longbow. They are a heavy carbon arrow. I use a strap-on bow quiver made by Boa. I also use 180 grain Silver Flame Broadheads. This was a new set-up that I used to hunt last year since I had been out of archery for about 12 years before that. So it has only been tested on targets and stumps so far. I bought a set of six Arrow Dynamics and the quality of the Grizzlysticks was far better.

Beautiful bow and good luck killing something with it.
Title: Re: new to Trad archery
Post by: carpsniperg2 on April 29, 2010, 01:32:35 PM: did you buy the reg arrow dynamics or the traditional ones? the trad ones i have shoot way better out of all three of my trad bows than the grizz sticks do :dunno: mine are the reg trads not the trad lites
Title: Re: new to Trad archery
Post by: tlbradford on April 29, 2010, 01:38:06 PM: The traditional hammerheads. I love the wood grain, and the traditional look. They are great arrows and came highly recommended, but I am really blown away at the performance, quality, and durability of the Grizzlysticks. Looking at the way I worded my last post I should have said the AD's are a good arrow, but out of my bow, and in my opinion, the Grizzlysticks won out hands down.
Title: Re: new to Trad archery
Post by: carpsniperg2 on April 29, 2010, 01:55:43 PM: yeah i shot the hammer heads at my buddys shot he owns raptor archery a trad shop in hood river oregon, they were alright but when i put the trads on there man it shoots them pretty. and they are a very tuff arrow and the grizz are good also. but every bow seems to like diffrent combos. i also shoot 6 fletch with 3" right wings and cut and all my bows love that combo more spin and works well even with the bigger deadheads and snuffers i shoot.
Title: Re: new to Trad archery
Post by: quadrafire on April 29, 2010, 02:37:02 PM: Maybe a dumb Question

Assuming shooting off the shelf Right hand, is it better to have Right wing feather of Left wing, And why?
Title: Re: new to Trad archery
Post by: Ratdog68 on April 29, 2010, 03:07:19 PM: Quote from: quadrafire on April 29, 2010, 02:37:02 PM
Maybe a dumb Question

Assuming shooting off the shelf Right hand, is it better to have Right wing feather of Left wing, And why?

Right handed bow... I prefer a left wing feather off the shelf. I get less damage to the shelf material that way. I get more cuts and wear with a right wing feather.

Left handed bow... I'd use a right wing feather.
Title: Re: new to Trad archery
Post by: boneaddict on April 29, 2010, 03:21:57 PM: I bought a Boa quiver, and like it. I tried on the pack stuff, on the back and side and didn't like any of them. It works well. Very cool bow ou built. That will make it extra special when you harvest a buck.
Title: Re: new to Trad archery
Post by: tlbradford on April 29, 2010, 03:34:58 PM: Quote from: carpsniperg2 on April 29, 2010, 01:55:43 PM
yeah i shot the hammer heads at my buddys shot he owns raptor archery a trad shop in hood river oregon, they were alright but when i put the trads on there man it shoots them pretty. and they are a very tuff arrow and the grizz are good also. but every bow seems to like diffrent combos. i also shoot 6 fletch with 3" right wings and cut and all my bows love that combo more spin and works well even with the bigger deadheads and snuffers i shoot.

Thats who I purchased the AD's and quiver through. It is funny when you get into traditional gear, how small the world seems.
Title: Re: new to Trad archery
Post by: Ray on April 29, 2010, 06:10:54 PM: Honestly the wood flies best - port orford cedar. However I cannot get thin diameter cedar spined at the 55-60 or higher. I have to buy thick diameter and therefore suffer on penetration. I have been having good results with Carbon Express Heritage. Didn't care for the GrizzlyStik arrows. Just flew in a circle and very expensive. Half the price Carbon Express seemed easier to settle on than the Grizzlystik. I have been trying out some tonkin cane shafts. They fly good despite irregularities in the bamboo. They are sturdy.

Also usually shoot left wing off the right handed bow. Would only be a concern on single bevel right handed broadheads.

Shoot whatever your bow agrees with is my advice. I heard a lot of good things about the Gold Tips but I don't plan on changing since I got something which works fine for me in the realm of carbon.

Nice recurve.
Title: Re: new to Trad archery
Post by: Snapshot on April 29, 2010, 09:43:45 PM: Either wing's feather will shoot off either side of a bow. It is a matter of personal preference. I shoot right handed and use right wing feathers (but if some lefts come my way cheap I can shoot them, too).

You can't mix different wings on the same arrow.

Ray is right about them needing to match the bevel if you want to shoot single bevel broadheads.

A side-stalker quiver took a little getting used to; it is easy to move through brush with it. It works with my Shuh backpack but you'll want to test it with your pack to be sure it rides okay. I will carry it when I carry a selfbow.

I switched to a Great Northern longbow quiver for elk hunting so that I'm not having to deal with three things (bow, quiver and bugle) while I'm moving through thick brush or trying to quickly cover ground without something bouncing around and making unnatural noises.

Nothing beats a good wooden arrow, in my ever-so-humble opinion.

Ray, have you considered cutting a full-length taper on the shaft to decrease drag during penetration? I got some 80-85# firs that I tapered and they then spined out at about 75#. With a 190 Grain point they shoot very well from my 65# longbow.
Title: Re: new to Trad archery
Post by: arrowflinger on April 30, 2010, 07:23:21 AM: Thanks guys for all the info.....I will be spending some time researching arrows. I was thinking aluminum but sounds like it is carbons. thanks again.
Title: Re: new to Trad archery
Post by: Ratdog68 on April 30, 2010, 07:35:00 AM: Quote from: arrowflinger on April 30, 2010, 07:23:21 AM
Thanks guys for all the info.....I will be spending some time researching arrows. I was thinking aluminum but sounds like it is carbons. thanks again.

I wouldn't rule out wood arrows so quickly...
Title: Re: new to Trad archery
Post by: Snapshot on April 30, 2010, 07:44:03 AM: Arrowflinger,
You are not far from Packwood. You'd benefit by driving up to the the Western States Traditional Rendezvous over Memorial Day weekend (May 28-31). There will be traditional vendors there with all sorts of arrows, and hundreds of archers many of whom would help you to find some arrows to test out of your bow. There is more info on the Community Forum on the Events Page right at the top of the page.
Title: Re: new to Trad archery
Post by: Hornseeker on June 23, 2010, 01:31:18 PM: Hows it comin along Arrowflinger?? Pic an arrow yet???

I use the Selway and Thunderhorn strap on quivers...absolutely love them... just google that Thunderhorn Boa, like Boneaddict said... sweet rig there...

I shoot Easton Axis arrows and sometimes Beman MFX Classics. Fairly inexpensive (the axis, not the Bemans)... and nice and straight!!!

E
Title: Re: new to Trad archery
Post by: arrowflinger on June 23, 2010, 02:09:36 PM: I haven't selected an arrow yet.........I went and got a Boa Quiver and a bow stringer. I did get some Cabela's arrows to play around with. But I have not got a chance to get out and shoot it. The Boa quiver I got is all plastic, do you know if I can buy a cover for it?

Ken
Title: Re: new to Trad archery
Post by: Hornseeker on June 24, 2010, 06:24:42 AM: I do not know if you can buy a cover... You could probably make one pretty easily. The "nice" ones, which are leather and such, are like $80.... Thats what you might have should have bought....

Well, good luck. Keep the carbons in mind for sure.... a lot of guys like wood arrows, but it is a major time investment IF you want to have nice, straight arrows ALL the time... which...if you want to shoot good...you need to have nice straight arrows ALL the time.

No aluminum man... just go carbon.... ;)
Title: Re: new to Trad archery
Post by: Ray on June 24, 2010, 07:02:47 AM: I tried some Hex Shafts and was pleased with flight. Still will not comment on durability. Have not had one break but think if I buy again I might go for footed Hex shafts. Which did not seem advertised but I know they make them since I have seen them. They might be worth considering. Exact straightness is not as important on wood as carbon or aluminum as far as I can tell.

http://www.hexshaftarrows.com/about_hexshafts.html (http://www.hexshaftarrows.com/about_hexshafts.html)

On the quiver. 20-25 dollars of Latigo leather a spool of leather strand and a leather punch can produce a good long lasting functional quiver.
Title: Re: new to Trad archery
Post by: Snapshot on June 24, 2010, 07:18:47 PM: Before you chuck your quiver in the trash, and if you are so inclined as to do something with your own hands, consider covering it yourself. I would think it would be pretty easy to come up with a pattern by using the pant leg off a worn out pair of jeans. Then transfer that pattern onto some sort of material, cut it out and glue it on using contact adhesive. I did this years ago when I needed a quiet backpack and couldn't afford to go out and spend the money for one. I used an old nylon pack and glued camo fleece to it. It was quiet and lasted the several years I needed it to last before I got me a real hunting pack.
There are all sorts of material you could use. The first few things that come to mind are: thin, soft leather that you could buy or salvage (old purses or slippers never get thrown away in my home!), hair-on animal hides (like the lower parts of the legs of deer or moleskins), or fleece. Anything to quiet it down and doll it up. Boa makes a good quiver and you can put a little of yourself into it quite easily and have something special. I suggest you have fun with it.
Title: Re: new to Trad archery
Post by: Hornseeker on June 25, 2010, 06:28:03 AM: Is this what your quiver looks like? Except black plastic? I cant even find one that isn't leather....just wondering if we are talking about the same thing. Snap says.... covering it yourself would be pretty easy....
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.thunderhornmfg.com%2Fimages%2Fboa2.jpg&hash=b7c3820cc26ebf02b5c6cc99f93c2f234822b72a)

I really cant say much about wood arrows... I have never shot them... I know a few guys that do, but like I said, they are ALWAYS tinkering with their arrows and checking them for straightness....
Title: Re: new to Trad archery
Post by: arrowflinger on June 25, 2010, 06:58:21 AM: Oh I wasn't planning on throwing the quiver way........I was on-line checking them out and thought I saw that you could buy a cover to slide on to the black plastic one. Hornseeker, yes my quiver is the black plastic like that one.
I bought the Cabela's SST (I think) just to so I can get use to pulling the bow back. Dam, it is very quiet.

Thanks for all the help guys.................love all the info i have gotten.
Title: Re: new to Trad archery
Post by: Snapshot on June 25, 2010, 08:44:46 AM: I wouldn't advise trying to build wood arrows out of tomato stakes. Better quality shafts cost more for a reason; buy the best you can afford. If I start with premium quality shafts I have very little straightening to do. After a dozen raw shafts are straightened I seal them up and I then don't worry about them anymore. IF I have one that I can't get to straighten up like it should it will become a 'B' arrow and never host a broadhead. Or, if I were a gardener, it could become a tomato stake.
Title: Re: new to Trad archery
Post by: boneaddict on June 25, 2010, 08:48:26 AM: Quote
Or, if I were a gardener, it could become a tomato stake.
That made me chuckle
Title: Re: new to Trad archery
Post by: Ray on June 25, 2010, 08:55:48 AM: arrowflinger,

I have some excess leather that should be enough to cover that quiver. After payday I can send it to you. Short on cash right now. You might be able to just use some rubber cement and just cut it up and place it onto your plastic quiver.
Title: Re: new to Trad archery
Post by: arrowflinger on June 25, 2010, 08:59:52 AM: Ray- that would be awesome. Where are you located? maybe I could come and pick some up.
Title: Re: new to Trad archery
Post by: Ray on June 25, 2010, 09:00:23 AM: I'm in kirkland. It would be cheaper to send it in the mail.
Title: Re: new to Trad archery
Post by: arrowflinger on June 25, 2010, 09:04:28 AM: I'll be fishing on Lake Washington on Sunday...........Just trying to help you out.
Title: Re: new to Trad archery
Post by: Ray on June 25, 2010, 09:06:40 AM: I might be around on Sunday but it depends on what time. I have to go over to Carnation and do some work. I'll send a message.
Title: Re: new to Trad archery
Post by: arrowflinger on June 25, 2010, 09:09:19 AM: no worries and thank you for all your help.
Title: Re: new to Trad archery
Post by: Recurve-Elk on July 05, 2010, 08:56:04 AM: Ive been shooting some gold tip 5575's through my recurve, with some 5 grain per inch weight tubes to up the grains. 125 grain 2 blade magnus broadheads, and 5 inch rounded fletch. I don't have a quiver yet, but I think I am going to make one out of my 08 deer hide.
Title: Re: new to Trad archery
Post by: quadrafire on August 19, 2010, 02:01:53 PM: Do you guys shoot full length carbons? or cut just a couple of inches from the bow?
Title: Re: new to Trad archery
Post by: boneaddict on August 19, 2010, 02:04:12 PM: I am shooting full lengths. They fit my max draw perfectly. Basically the samesetup as recurve-elk.
Title: Re: new to Trad archery
Post by: rasbo on August 19, 2010, 02:05:43 PM: wonder if beaver would make a nice quiver...
Title: Re: new to Trad archery
Post by: boneaddict on August 19, 2010, 02:11:30 PM: It would. I had one made out of it. The style didn't work for me.
Title: Re: new to Trad archery
Post by: rasbo on August 19, 2010, 02:17:03 PM: Quote from: boneaddict on August 19, 2010, 02:11:30 PM
It would. I had one made out of it. The style didn't work for me.
I have 4 hides I should tan them,then look at some patterns..I want to stay totally traditional as possible
Title: Re: new to Trad archery
Post by: boneaddict on August 19, 2010, 02:18:20 PM: Should work great.
Title: Re: new to Trad archery
Post by: Machias on August 19, 2010, 02:23:36 PM: Quote from: rasbo on August 19, 2010, 02:17:03 PM
Quote from: boneaddict on August 19, 2010, 02:11:30 PM
It would. I had one made out of it. The style didn't work for me.
I have 4 hides I should tan them,then look at some patterns..I want to stay totally traditional as possible

That would be nice and quiet!!!
Title: Re: new to Trad archery
Post by: quadrafire on August 19, 2010, 02:45:46 PM: Here you go Rasbo. Another use for the "tails"
Title: Re: new to Trad archery
Post by: quadrafire on August 19, 2010, 02:51:01 PM: http://www.hidehandler.com (http://www.hidehandler.com)

Here are some cool quivers
Title: Re: new to Trad archery
Post by: rasbo on August 19, 2010, 02:59:08 PM: wow those are awesome,and what a grip they will make,,I might have to do some moles for the face on the arrow rest
Title: Re: new to Trad archery
Post by: quadrafire on August 19, 2010, 03:14:48 PM: :chuckle:
Title: Re: new to Trad archery
Post by: rasbo on August 24, 2010, 07:48:47 PM: with my neck being screwed together,using a standard quiver that ray had,I had a hard time reaching the arrows...Now as far as one on your leg Im thinking the fletchings might be seen while moving,or hanging up...gonna have to do some thinking on this,I can reach back from the side by my waist
Title: Re: new to Trad archery
Post by: NWWABOWHNTR on August 26, 2010, 07:32:34 AM: Check out the Safari Tuff quiver, goes on your back but you pull arrows from the side...... very quiet material and works well with both broadheads and field points. It also comes with a waterproof top to keep your arrows dry...

http://www.3riversarchery.com/Quivers+Side++Safari+Tuff+Arrowmaster+Quiver_c14_s74_p0_i6205X_product.html (http://www.3riversarchery.com/Quivers+Side++Safari+Tuff+Arrowmaster+Quiver_c14_s74_p0_i6205X_product.html)
Title: Re: new to Trad archery
Post by: Ray on August 26, 2010, 08:15:49 AM: In the field I don't use a back quiver. I use a quiver something like this. It's completely mobile for me. Not a bow quiver person...

(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fgfredasbell.com%2Fimages%2FG_Fred_Asbell_Quiver.jpg&hash=0835fa5ba39ef00fb388eb3c58db183bb53a4ce4)

http://gfredasbell.com/hunter_image_quivers.php (http://gfredasbell.com/hunter_image_quivers.php)
Title: Re: new to Trad archery
Post by: tlbradford on August 26, 2010, 10:07:39 AM: Quote from: Ray on August 26, 2010, 08:15:49 AM
In the field I don't use a back quiver. I use a quiver something like this. It's completely mobile for me. Not a bow quiver person...

(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fgfredasbell.com%2Fimages%2FG_Fred_Asbell_Quiver.jpg&hash=0835fa5ba39ef00fb388eb3c58db183bb53a4ce4)

http://gfredasbell.com/hunter_image_quivers.php (http://gfredasbell.com/hunter_image_quivers.php)

Those are really slick. I used to have a something similar but it was a tube covered with river otter. That way it always kept my fletchings dry when hunting the westside. Unfortunately it was given away by mistake by my mom when I went off to college. One day I will make a new one.
Title: Re: new to Trad archery
Post by: quadrafire on August 26, 2010, 10:19:51 AM: A little off the subject maybe, but I always hear the phrase "stump shooting". I would never do that with a compound (I have missed a target and tried pulling one out of a tree it's not easy). With Trad gear are you going to damage alot of arrows? Would you just shoot at rootballs, punky stumps or what?
Title: Re: new to Trad archery
Post by: Ray on August 26, 2010, 10:24:46 AM: I'd shoot at any stump but preference would be something partially deteriorated (rotten or old or whatever). When I do this I prefer a tough arrow material and make sure you use good glue which is not brittle on the field points or blunts. My recommendation would be staying away from super glue or ferr l tite glue. When I shoot at stumps I would prefer to use my carbon arrows as they seem to take abuse well. However I know some people like shooting Ash shafts and report they are quite durable for this. In my experiences it is important to make sure your field tips or blunts are precisely straight on the end of the shaft to prevent fractures (prevent doesn't mean eliminate). Sometimes they seemed to be more prone to failure when they were not glued on straight.
Title: Re: new to Trad archery
Post by: Ray on August 26, 2010, 10:31:47 AM: Oh and another consideration could be to use footed shafts. Where the footing of the arrow is comprised of a lamination which is stronger than the rest of of the shaft. I know some people report that most breaks happen closer to the front of the arrow. Footed arrow shafts will likely cost you though...

Footed shafts on the bottom in the photo.
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwhisperarro.homestead.com%2FTapered_Footed_Org_jig.jpg&hash=3b8e426bd32c6baeead1485f86de018d05615798)
Title: Re: new to Trad archery
Post by: quadrafire on August 26, 2010, 10:40:07 AM: I want to learn how to make those. A thing of beauty!
Title: Re: new to Trad archery
Post by: carpsniperg2 on August 26, 2010, 12:30:11 PM: yeah ted is a great guy. i have spent a lot of time in his shop.after my surgeries when my wife was working in hood river. i would go in there and learn and hang out. most times i see him about once a month and stop by and say hi and check out whats new. ted is one of the best in the game that i have ever met. he has VERY STRONG IDEAS AS WELL ;) i catch crap for being a modern compound hunter who loves trad as well. if you have a questions or a need for something, he is the guy to talk to. i also buy all my primitive stuff from him. like obsidian/flint etc
Title: Re: new to Trad archery
Post by: quadrafire on August 26, 2010, 12:38:18 PM: Quote from: carpsniperg2 on August 26, 2010, 12:30:11 PM
yeah ted is a great guy. i have spent a lot of time in his shop.after my surgeries when my wife was working in hood river. i would go in there and learn and hang out. most times i see him about once a month and stop by and say hi and check out whats new. ted is one of the best in the game that i have ever met. he has VERY STRONG IDEAS AS WELL ;) i catch crap for being a modern compound hunter who loves trad as well. if you have a questions or a need for something, he is the guy to talk to. i also buy all my primitive stuff from him. like obsidian/flint etc
What shop is that Carp?
Title: Re: new to Trad archery
Post by: carpsniperg2 on August 26, 2010, 12:43:52 PM: raptor archery.in hood river oregon.

http://www.raptorstore.com/store/index.php (http://www.raptorstore.com/store/index.php)
Title: Re: new to Trad archery
Post by: quadrafire on August 26, 2010, 12:50:24 PM: Quote from: carpsniperg2 on August 26, 2010, 12:43:52 PM
raptor archery.in hood river oregon.

http://www.raptorstore.com/store/index.php (http://www.raptorstore.com/store/index.php)
I will have to stop by next time I am down that way.
Title: Re: new to Trad archery
Post by: carpsniperg2 on August 26, 2010, 01:05:40 PM: yeah you will he has a ton of great stuff in there and about everything a trad guy needs. even if you are not one. it is still cool to see his shop. his broadhead collection is pretty sweet. but he has tons of singed arrows/broadheads from world renoun people.
Title: Re: new to Trad archery
Post by: boneaddict on August 26, 2010, 07:53:27 PM: Is that your bow quadrafire. COOL!
Title: Re: new to Trad archery
Post by: quadrafire on August 29, 2010, 06:55:57 PM: No Bone that is not my bow. I wish. Pilfered it off the net to show rasbo a beaver handle.