Hunting Washington Forum
Equipment & Gear => Archery Gear => Topic started by: Skyvalhunter on February 20, 2008, 06:27:49 AM
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I am going to be changing my bow sight and rest on my Martin bow. Anyone have any suggestions? I heard good things about the Hogg rest and whisker rest. Any thoughts on these?
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People keep telling me to get the whisker bisquit. :dunno:
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whisker biscuit
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In my opinion the DropZone rest is the best. Your arrow does stay in contact with the rest thus allowing quicker stabilization of flight. I also use FOB's instead of fletching. the FOB's are very aerodynamic and will stabilize the flight sooner than most all veins/fletching. The curly veins may come close but are labor intensive to apply. As far as Sights go, Copper John is probably the best I can think of. High visibility pins and does not Halo under intense light conditions (very bright sun).
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I have always stayed away from the whisker biscuit, I have a TR drop zone on my LX and I had a Trophy Taker full capture on my Drenalin, and shot amazing groups with both. I threw a WB in my tackle box in case I had any rest problems while up in the hills. Last year after arriving at camp, I got my bow out to make sure it was still shooting good. As I drew the bow the cord to my TT snapped! I threw the back up WB on, sighted it in and went out the next day and killed a descent buck. You will here a lot of horse *censored* about the fletch contact and how it drastically slows down the arrow speed and is terribley inaccurate. In reality my arrow looses 3fps and I shoot groups to a 100 yards. In my opinon the WB is the best hunting rest on the market.
The Spot Hogg Hunter Hogg it with the 7 pin Wrap is also an excellent sight.
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Cobra 7 pin .19 pins
trophy taker original is the only rest I will ever use.
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Trophy taker's have been on my bow since before you could find them for sale anywhere but out of the back of Dan's truck. Never had a failure with one, and will most likely never shoot another rest. I also shoot a Spot Hogg 3 pin site with a 4th pin in .19 pins.
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i could not live without my whisker biscuit i actually can keep my arrow knocked as im walking it cuts down about 4 seconds for me to get to full draw. not only that it is easy to use. warning i would be careful walking around with the arrow knocked lol
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I love my trophy taker, if you shoot all the time I would go with a drop away. Trophy takers are excellent, I have heard good things about the Spott Hogg whammy. If all you do is hunt and shoot occasionally then the whisker biscuit is a good choice. Sights I like my Spott Hogg SDP seven pin and can't wait to put the wrap on it. It is an excellent sight.
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I love my QAD Ultra Rest. Full containment and drop away. If I pull the upper bar off, then it is just like a TT rest, at least in appearance.
I want to get a different sight as well, though. I have the Tru-Glo 5 pin, but am looking into getting a single pin adjustable instead.
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I would go with the whisker biscuit as a rest being that it is easy to tune, rock solid rest where your arrow isn't going to fall off or something if you have buck fever real bad. I almost went with a drop away on the bow I bought last week but decided to stick with the WB, the guy at the pro shop said the drop aways will help if you don't have real good form but I couldn't see any advantages really to putting one on my bow. Just seems like it is one more thing to go wrong on your bow being that it is connect to a cable something could go wrong with that as mention above. As far as a sight I switched to the copper john dead nuts 2, it has seven pins and wrap around fiber optics which keeps all the pins nice and bright. The sight is inexpensive compared to spot hoggs being around a hundred bucks, it is durable and is easy to adjust.
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Fall away rests. Whisker Biscuit's are better utilized for their god intended purpose, and they do not belong on a bow. Ever see a Whisker Biscuit on any of the top 3D, Target, shooters bows? Probably just fine for a 20-30yd shot. I love my in-line .19 sights because I can see so much of the intended target while shooting.
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Can't say that I have ever watched or done 3D and don't care because it isn't a hunting situation. The whisker biscuit is a rock solid rest and can be shot out to longer distances just as well with good form and proper tuning of your bow.
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NAP Quicktune 4000 fall-away (same one since 01) and a Lethal Weapon Special Ops sight by Sure-Loc.....
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Spott Hogg 7dp & Trophy Taker. I have used both for years with 0 problems and great results. I fell (all 280 lbs) on my Spott Hogg on the ice with no effect or damage to my sight or bow. Whisker Biscuits are good if you are into re-fletchng or dont shoot a ton. I'm pretty anal about my equipment and cant see how dragging vanes through a rest can be good for the consistency of the arrow. IMO.
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Seems there is a dispute over weather the Whisker biscuits are any good..
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Here is a link to show how inaccurate a whisker biscuit is.
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Thanks for the infor Steve just shot you an IM. Keith
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Bowhuntin...This applies to both firearms and archery. People should take notice of what all accuracy shooters are doing to be more accurate. With out a doubt almost all shooting enhancements originated from the target shooters. If a person can shoot tiny little groups on a range/course my experience has shown they are better shooters in a hunting situation then those who can not shoot small groups. To me saying 3D is not a hunting situation is like saying "I don't sight in from a bench because I won't have a bench with me while hunting". I have heard that so many times I have a true understanding of why a majority of hunters miss or badly wound animals. I am not saying you feel this way just an exhample of a person who really does not understand the requirements of accurate shooting. If you like the WB then great shoot it and I hope it does exactly what you want of it.
Skyval...With out a doubt the WB is about the only rest that seems to create such controversy. I think that shows something to be checked in depth. Again I think it works ok out to 30yds, but I don't even have a 30yd pin.
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I dont understand how it is possible for something that has this much contact to be as accurate as a rest that has no contact :dunno:
[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwTizMtvKwI&feature=related[/youtube]
Here is what a drop away looks like.
[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EC6UEXaEwZo&feature=related[/youtube]
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Try that with a well tuned bow!
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I have never had any problem with my vanes and having to refletch because of my whisker biscuit. I shoot around 200-300 arrows a week and my vanes are fine. Maybe the older generation WB screwed up the vanes but the two I have used work just fine with my easton axis arrows and fletching.
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Dbllunger, I don't know much about 3D shooting or courses, but I would like to go shoot one to see what it is like if it does simulate a hunting situation minus the fact that you aren't going to have all that adrenaline coursing through your body or heart pounding in your chest from hiking up the mountain. You are right that you people that shoot smaller groups at the range/course a better shots because they are the ones practicing more most likely. As far as the WB and Drop Away debate I think the WB is just a good a rest and be just as a good as accurate as the Drop Away. That being said I don't shoot any further than 35 yards and see know need too. The reason to hunt with a bow is to get a more up and close personal experience while hunting. When I set my bow up and ask questions at the pro shop, both shops I have been too always suggest the WB as a hunting rest. I don't think guys would use this rest or sell it in their pro shops if it really was so inaccurate to the drop aways. Use what works best for you.
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griz272000, you have been pretty quiet for the guy that started all of this :chuckle: What do ya think now?
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I switched to a whisker biscuit a few years ago and don't plan on going back anytime soon. I do a lot of "paperwork" with my bow, but it's all for preparation for hunting season.
That beind said, I think the W/B has a lot of advantages.
I haven't had any issues with vanes being pulled off. Loss of arrow speed is negligible.
Since switching to the W/B, my father and two of my buddies has switched to the W/B.
Would it be my first choice for a "target" bow? No.
But it IS my first choice for a hunting bow. It works very well and is incredibly simple to use. Accuracy is still good enough that I'm constantly breaking knocks off my arrows (and occasionally ruining arrows) because of near-robin hoods. That's good enough for deer. ;)
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Love these debates on equipment. Goes to show why there are so many options available and I like it that way.
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I have used a WB ever since they came out and I love it .Now all my freinds and family use them.We fool around at 80 yds at the range all the time and they are very accurate if your bow is tuned well.Last year I robbin-hooded an arrow at 50 yds.I use A heavy arrow with 4 fletch blazer vanes.That extra vane slowes my arrow down but gives me way more control and forgiveness.If you set your equiptment up properly you cant go wrong with a wb.
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i think it is hilarious :chuckle: it works well for me i shoot good to 40 yards thats all i need .i cant shot consistant with a fall away rest its probably just me.im just stating what works for me. i didnt start anything lol. :dunno:
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It's pretty comical how people get soo defensive about their equipment. We all know that everyone is different about their likes and dislikes. Everyone has to experiment to find out what works for them. Most people find what works for them and stick with it. It's just like the age old debate wether Ford or Chevy or Dodge makes the best truck. Find the one you like and stick with it. :dunno:
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so is a ford better than a dodge better than a chevy ??
i just bought a trophy taker based on some advice i got from one of you guys, and my bow sports a cobra sidewinder 5 pin sight which works great for me.
i was gonna buy a w/b but the noise/contact factor is why i went the other way. i have seen a deer killed at 70 yards with an arrow that fully passed through shot thru a whicker biscuit fwiw. there were no accuracy issues there.
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The WB is the only rest I will ever use. I don't target practice much and I don't compete in shoots. If I did I might think differently. I hunt. That's all I do with my bow. I crawl through the nastiest reprod, stickers, brush, stumps, etc that you can think of. Half the time I am nocked and crawlin after elk in that stuff. My bow barely makes it out alive and there is no way that a drop away with complicated strings, springs, etc. would make it. My arrows are always ready and I can even keep one nocked while going through that crap. For me it's the only thing on my bow that I can count on to work and not get ripped off by sticker bushes etc.
Now, if you do a lot of 3d shoots or hunt open country have at it. For my style of hunting I gotta have a WB. I don't buy the accuracy thing too much as I can shoot within a pie plate out to about 80 yards. That's accurate enough for me.
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I'll have to pass on judgeing the trucks( I have both a ford and a Dodge). I have Trophy takers on both of my bows and all of my friends have them as well. The whisker bisqet seems to have some interesting ideas but I just like the Trophy takers better. ;)
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whisker biscuit all the way...10 years almost!
sites??? u tell me...Ive tried 10 and still shopping!
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I'll stick with my Spott hog sights. With the wraps they are brighter than they were with my sight lite on. And they are legal to hunt with. I've seen your question about tritium pins but I don't know if they make one. You should look thru a wrapped sight, you will be impressed. :drool:
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Trophy Taker Xtreme. I consider the WB but the all metal construction, quietness, speed, accuracy, and consistency features of the Trophy Taker sold me.
I use a single pin slider. Most of my shooting is under 30 yards.
