Post by: wabow on May 21, 2010, 10:27:54 AM
I'd like to get a modern rifle. Would someone point me to some good reference material and or explain these new guns to me. If its to much of a headache or is to difficult to explain, point me to a good shop that doesnt mind teaching me.
Thanks
Don
Post by: Curly on May 21, 2010, 10:33:41 AM
Basically, you can't use 209 primers and the nipple needs to be open to the elements.
Post by: Austrian Hunter on May 21, 2010, 10:37:55 AM
1. Definitions.
a. Muzzleloader: A firearm that is loaded from
the muzzle and uses black powder or a
black powder substitute as recommended
by the manufacturer for use in all
muzzleloading firearms.
b. A muzzleloading firearm shall be
considered loaded if a powder charge and
a projectile, either shot or single projectile
are in the barrel and the barrel or breech is
capped or primed.
2. It is unlawful to hunt wildlife using a
muzzleloading firearm that does not meet the
following specifications.
a. A muzzleloading shotgun or rifle must have
a single or double barrel, rifled or smoothbored.
b. A muzzleloading shotgun or rifle used
for deer must be .40 caliber or larger.
Buckshot size #1 or larger may be used in a
smoothbore of .60 caliber or larger for deer.
c. A muzzleloading shotgun, rifle, or handgun
used for all other big game must be .45
caliber or larger.
d. Persons lawfully hunting small game with a
double barrel, muzzleloading shotgun may
keep both barrels loaded.
e. A muzzleloading handgun must have a
single or double barrel of at least eight
inches, must be rifled, and must be
capable of being loaded with forty-five
grains or more of black powder or blackpowder substitute per the manufacturer's
recommendations.
f. A muzzleloading handgun used for big
game must be .45 caliber or larger.
g. A handgun designed to be used with black
powder, including black powder percussion
revolvers, can be used to hunt forest
grouse, cottontail rabbits, and snowshoe
hares.
3. In addition to the above requirements, it is
unlawful to participate (hunt) in a muzzleloading
hunting season using a firearm that does
not meet the following specifications for a
muzzleloader. As in the past sabots are allowed.
Any type of projectile is allowed.
A modern handgun may be carried for personal
protection. Modern handguns cannot be used
to hunt big game or dispatch wounded big
game during a big game hunting season for
muzzleloading firearms.
a. Ignition is to be wheel lock, matchlock,
flintlock, or percussion using original style
percussion caps that fit on the nipple and
are exposed to the weather. "Exposed to
the weather" means the percussion cap or
the frizzen must be visible and not capable
of being enclosed by an integral part of the
weapon proper. Primers designed to be
used in modern cartridges are not legal.
b. Sights must be open, peep, or of other open
sight design. Fiber optic sights are legal.
Telescopic sights or sights containing glass
are prohibited.
c. It is unlawful to have any electrical device
or equipment attached to a muzzleloading
firearm while hunting.
d. Those persons lawfully hunting big game
with a double barrel muzzleloader may only
keep one barrel loaded.
4. Hunters with disabilities who meet the definition
of being visually impaired in WAC 232-12-828
may receive a special use permit that would
allow the use of scopes or other visual aids.
A disabled hunter permit holder in possession
of a special use permit that allows the use of
a scope or visual aid may hunt game birds or
game animals during muzzleloader seasons.
Contact the Department’s ADA coordinator for
further information.
5. Muzzleloading firearms used during a modern
firearm season are not required to meet ignition,
sight, or double barrel restrictions.
Post by: Bob33 on May 21, 2010, 10:41:38 AM
As stated, the big issues are that you cannot use shotgun primers and ignition must be "exposed to the weather". Sights must be open.
Post by: Curly on May 21, 2010, 10:43:10 AM
Post by: wabow on May 21, 2010, 11:00:20 AM
5. Muzzleloading firearms used during a modern
firearm season are not required to meet ignition,
sight, or double barrel restrictions.
Don
Post by: Curly on May 21, 2010, 11:02:18 AM
Post by: Ratdog68 on May 21, 2010, 03:28:51 PM
Post by: washelkhntr on May 21, 2010, 03:52:06 PM
Would it be ok to use a 209 primer gun with scope during modern season? I assume that is what this means.
5. Muzzleloading firearms used during a modern
firearm season are not required to meet ignition,
sight, or double barrel restrictions.
Don
Yes. They just changed that for this year. Previously they wouldn't allow scopes, 209 ignitions, or jacketed bullets, even during modern season.
They did not change that this year. It was changed in 2008. Look through the 2008 and 2009 regs... you could use your muzzleloader in modern season and were not required to meet ignition, sight, or double barrel restrictions. If using it during modern season.
Post by: Curly on May 21, 2010, 06:20:53 PM
Post by: carpsniperg2 on May 22, 2010, 02:08:58 PM