Post by: shorthair15 on May 23, 2010, 06:47:14 PM
Post by: shoot-em-dead on May 23, 2010, 07:27:35 PM
Post by: WonkyWapiti on May 23, 2010, 07:36:39 PM
Post by: stumprat on May 23, 2010, 07:41:43 PM
Post by: AWS on May 23, 2010, 07:45:31 PM
Heavy or light barrel, if your going to do any hiking with it I'd go light.
Scopes, I like to call predators so my shots are pretty close , 10 ft to 300 yrds. I like scope with plenty of FOV 40+ ft. MY favorite scopes are 1x4x20(4), 1.5x6x40(2) and 2.5x10x40 with the smaller varialbles on most of my guns and the 2.5x10 on a 22-250.
Well come to predator hunting.
AWS
Post by: CastleRocker on May 23, 2010, 07:49:25 PM
Best bang for your buck...I'd have to say a Stevens model 200. They make a camo model now. If I was on a tight budget, I would look for a used one, and do a Krylon camo job on it. Then put the best glass I could afford on it. Both my brother-in-laws have them, both wear Leupolds, and they shoot unbelievably well. I've shot them a lot while trying different loads in them, and I have to admit that out of the box they are the most accurate rifle for the money I've seen by far. Personally I don't like Savage/Stevens rifles, but that's just me.
Also, you might want to look at those H&R Handi-rifles. I've had several and although accuracy is hit and miss with them, they are an inexpensive single shot. I've had one that I couldn't make shoot good enough to take out hunting, and I've had one that was a bug-holer. (I wish I hadn't sold that one!) The other three were in between as far as accuracy goes.
Myself, I caught the AR bug a couple years ago. I bought two R-15's when they came out and made the mistake of putting them in the safe together, and yep, you guessed it! They are breeding like rabbits! If you decide to go that route, look hard at the "Bargin Bin" on the CMMG website. I've got one of those now too, and they flat shoot (it was one of the "offspring" of my first two).
Around here, a 223 is a good choice as shots are usually not what you will find on the East side of our state.
Good luck!
Post by: carpsniperg2 on May 23, 2010, 08:25:34 PM
Post by: wence5 on May 27, 2010, 09:53:05 PM
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Post by: COYOTE_KILLER on June 02, 2010, 03:13:08 PM
so far is the Remington r-15 bushmaster in .223 its a spendy sucker new they are starting at 1,100 bucks
just a bit of info for you. good luck..
Post by: chrisb on June 02, 2010, 03:18:48 PM
Post by: trippledigitss on June 09, 2010, 10:59:00 AM
So I checked most all of the ones posted by AWS and a few more. The Savage Edge is really affordable at about 350-400 but I can only find them with a camo stock, not camo barrel too. I also have been considering the Savage (Stevens?) M10 Predator Package in full brush camo including stock, barrel, and scope and they are around 600-650. But I REALLY like the Howa Axiom (its a 1500 with different stock?) in the Ranchland Kings Desert Camo - I think thats the one I am going to go with at about $700 to $900.
But I have a few questions and maybe some of you guys can help. Why are bolt action rifles considered so much better and/or accurate than semi-autos? Also, the Axiom comes in 20" or 24" barrels and I cant decide which one to get. What are the benefits of a 20" vs 24" barrel? I was thinking the longer barrel must give better accuracy over longer distances? Is that correct?
Post by: trippledigitss on June 09, 2010, 11:01:32 AM
Post by: whacker1 on June 09, 2010, 11:10:16 AM
Post by: chrisb on June 09, 2010, 02:35:08 PM
I'm really new at all this and hunting in general but I've been using my MP15 for coyote hunting with an NC Star Mark III in 2-7x32 and I just bought a Nikon Coyote Special scope in 3-9x40. I havent hunted with the new scope yet but I sighted it in on my MP at the range last week and it is pretty sweet, dead-on at 100yds which is the max range at the place I went to. But even though everyone is saying AR is the way to go - and I really like my MP15 - I've still been looking at getting a BA varmit rifle and I really want one in full camo.
So I checked most all of the ones posted by AWS and a few more. The Savage Edge is really affordable at about 350-400 but I can only find them with a camo stock, not camo barrel too. I also have been considering the Savage (Stevens?) M10 Predator Package in full brush camo including stock, barrel, and scope and they are around 600-650. But I REALLY like the Howa Axiom (its a 1500 with different stock?) in the Ranchland Kings Desert Camo - I think thats the one I am going to go with at about $700 to $900.
But I have a few questions and maybe some of you guys can help. Why are bolt action rifles considered so much better and/or accurate than semi-autos? Also, the Axiom comes in 20" or 24" barrels and I cant decide which one to get. What are the benefits of a 20" vs 24" barrel? I was thinking the longer barrel must give better accuracy over longer distances? Is that correct?
The MP15 is Smith and Wessons AR-15. They named it that for ... well i don't know but it's an AR.
24" barrel is going to give you a slight edge in the velocity and accuracy over the 20" but of course at the cost of weight.
As far as semi auto vs bolt action it has to do with (i'm pretty sure anyway but google would give you a for sure answer) the tighter tolerances of a bolt gun vs the semi auto.
Post by: scout88 on June 09, 2010, 03:17:12 PM
Post by: trippledigitss on June 09, 2010, 04:33:32 PM
Thanks for the info on the barrel length. What is strange it that the factory lists the 24" barrel version at 10.7# and the 20" slightly heavier at 11.2#. I wonder if that was a mixup as I would have thought it the other way around. Yes I understand it is an AR Type rifle - The "MP" stands for Military& Police, I also have an MP40c pistol that has the same designation for Military & Police. As far as the AR Desigination, I dont know if its accurate but from what I read in researching on Wikipedia is that the AR stands for the manufacturer of the 1st AR-15, Armalite (not "assault rifle" as I & many others assumed) and is actually a trademark designation that belongs to Armalite so no other manufacturers can use it, hence the SW's MP, Remingtons 'R-15', Bushmaster's X-15. But Bushmaster does have an "AR-15" model dont they? Or maybe AR-15 "style"?? Anyway, not that it really matters much to me but just something I read, and since its on the internet, it has to be true right?? :chuckle: Thanks again!
The MP15 is Smith and Wessons AR-15. They named it that for ... well i don't know but it's an AR.
24" barrel is going to give you a slight edge in the velocity and accuracy over the 20" but of course at the cost of weight.
As far as semi auto vs bolt action it has to do with (i'm pretty sure anyway but google would give you a for sure answer) the tighter tolerances of a bolt gun vs the semi auto.
Post by: whacker1 on June 09, 2010, 04:37:55 PM
Thanks for the info on the barrel length. What is strange it that the factory lists the 24" barrel version at 10.7# and the 20" slightly heavier at 11.2#. I wonder if that was a mixup as I would have thought it the other way around. Yes I understand it is an AR Type rifle - The "MP" stands for Military& Police, I also have an MP40c pistol that has the same designation for Military & Police. As far as the AR Desigination, I dont know if its accurate but from what I read in researching on Wikipedia is that the AR stands for the manufacturer of the 1st AR-15, Armalite (not "assault rifle" as I & many others assumed) and is actually a trademark designation that belongs to Armalite so no other manufacturers can use it, hence the SW's MP, Remingtons 'R-15', Bushmaster's X-15. But Bushmaster does have an "AR-15" model dont they? Or maybe AR-15 "style"?? Anyway, not that it really matters much to me but just something I read, and since its on the internet, it has to be true right?? :chuckle: Thanks again!
The MP15 is Smith and Wessons AR-15. They named it that for ... well i don't know but it's an AR.
24" barrel is going to give you a slight edge in the velocity and accuracy over the 20" but of course at the cost of weight.
As far as semi auto vs bolt action it has to do with (i'm pretty sure anyway but google would give you a for sure answer) the tighter tolerances of a bolt gun vs the semi auto.
Maybe the 20" barrel is bull barrel - larger diameter? :dunno:
Post by: chrisb on June 09, 2010, 07:41:22 PM
Thanks for the info on the barrel length. What is strange it that the factory lists the 24" barrel version at 10.7# and the 20" slightly heavier at 11.2#. I wonder if that was a mixup as I would have thought it the other way around. Yes I understand it is an AR Type rifle - The "MP" stands for Military& Police, I also have an MP40c pistol that has the same designation for Military & Police. As far as the AR Desigination, I dont know if its accurate but from what I read in researching on Wikipedia is that the AR stands for the manufacturer of the 1st AR-15, Armalite (not "assault rifle" as I & many others assumed) and is actually a trademark designation that belongs to Armalite so no other manufacturers can use it, hence the SW's MP, Remingtons 'R-15', Bushmaster's X-15. But Bushmaster does have an "AR-15" model dont they? Or maybe AR-15 "style"?? Anyway, not that it really matters much to me but just something I read, and since its on the internet, it has to be true right?? :chuckle: Thanks again!
The MP15 is Smith and Wessons AR-15. They named it that for ... well i don't know but it's an AR.
24" barrel is going to give you a slight edge in the velocity and accuracy over the 20" but of course at the cost of weight.
As far as semi auto vs bolt action it has to do with (i'm pretty sure anyway but google would give you a for sure answer) the tighter tolerances of a bolt gun vs the semi auto.
If it's on the internet it's the truth. I have to run b/c i only have 4 minutes left to forward this email to 20 people or i'll have bad luck for 8 years and never find love or get rich.
I was really just trying to point out that your rifle should take most if not all after market AR parts. AR stands for Armalite Rifle which was the original manufacturer. Unfortunately the anti's have taken it to mean assault rifle which is why we as the gun community are being encouraged to refer to it as the "modern sporting rifle" and not an assault rifle. BTW if you dont have one yet get one of these. It made the fit of my Oly K16 so much tighter and i could tell a difference in accuracy as well.
http://www.midwayusa.com/Search/#accuwedge____-_1-2-4_8-16-32 (http://www.midwayusa.com/Search/#accuwedge____-_1-2-4_8-16-32)
Post by: Bscman on June 09, 2010, 07:57:25 PM
I bought Howa 1500 in 22-250 for $400 last fall. blued action and barrel on Hogue synthetic stock. It shoots pretty darn well, just need to spend more time with it.
+1
I have a howa in .223 and it's a great rifle. I paid $400 new for the rifle and scope combo. Aluminum pillar bedded hogue stock, the rifle itself IS a weatherby vanguard (came off the same production line), with an "okay" Nikko Stirling 3.5-10x44 with side focus. I also have one in .243. Both are sub MOA guns with handloads.
My favorite critter gitter, though, would be the AR15...mine seem to be breeding as well.... ;)
You will spend more in the beginning, but you'll soon realize they are very accurate and offer quick follow up shots when a whole gang of mutts come running. I was very anti-AR until my father got one...now I realize how truly versatile they are. DPMS and Olympic Arms can be had around $700-750, while delton and doublestar (both equally as good as the other two stated) run $650-700.
I've built 20" and 16" versions for under $550 with all the options you'd get on a $900+ rifle...just gotta do some research and watch the internet dealers for sales. :o
Post by: trippledigitss on June 09, 2010, 10:22:00 PM
I bought Howa 1500 in 22-250 for $400 last fall. blued action and barrel on Hogue synthetic stock. It shoots pretty darn well, just need to spend more time with it.
+1
I have a howa in .223 and it's a great rifle. I paid $400 new for the rifle and scope combo. Aluminum pillar bedded hogue stock, the rifle itself IS a weatherby vanguard (came off the same production line), with an "okay" Nikko Stirling 3.5-10x44 with side focus. I also have one in .243. Both are sub MOA guns with handloads.
My favorite critter gitter, though, would be the AR15...mine seem to be breeding as well.... ;)
You will spend more in the beginning, but you'll soon realize they are very accurate and offer quick follow up shots when a whole gang of mutts come running. I was very anti-AR until my father got one...now I realize how truly versatile they are. DPMS and Olympic Arms can be had around $700-750, while delton and doublestar (both equally as good as the other two stated) run $650-700.
I've built 20" and 16" versions for under $550 with all the options you'd get on a $900+ rifle...just gotta do some research and watch the internet dealers for sales. :o
Very good to know on both of those rifles. I like the Howa rifles and the guy at the gun store said the same thing about them being a Weatherby. Plus I love the AR Style "defense rifle" (as my buddy tells me I am supposed to call them, but I like 'modern sport rifle' too), they are so cool looking and fun too shoot but can get expensive for sure. I was looking at getting a Stag (8 I think?) in 6.8SPC or a DPMS Sportical in .308, but dang $1000 bucks when its all said & done....
Post by: carpsniperg2 on June 09, 2010, 10:25:16 PM
Post by: trippledigitss on June 09, 2010, 10:26:44 PM
Thanks for the info on the barrel length. What is strange it that the factory lists the 24" barrel version at 10.7# and the 20" slightly heavier at 11.2#. I wonder if that was a mixup as I would have thought it the other way around. Yes I understand it is an AR Type rifle - The "MP" stands for Military& Police, I also have an MP40c pistol that has the same designation for Military & Police. As far as the AR Desigination, I dont know if its accurate but from what I read in researching on Wikipedia is that the AR stands for the manufacturer of the 1st AR-15, Armalite (not "assault rifle" as I & many others assumed) and is actually a trademark designation that belongs to Armalite so no other manufacturers can use it, hence the SW's MP, Remingtons 'R-15', Bushmaster's X-15. But Bushmaster does have an "AR-15" model dont they? Or maybe AR-15 "style"?? Anyway, not that it really matters much to me but just something I read, and since its on the internet, it has to be true right?? :chuckle: Thanks again!
The MP15 is Smith and Wessons AR-15. They named it that for ... well i don't know but it's an AR.
24" barrel is going to give you a slight edge in the velocity and accuracy over the 20" but of course at the cost of weight.
As far as semi auto vs bolt action it has to do with (i'm pretty sure anyway but google would give you a for sure answer) the tighter tolerances of a bolt gun vs the semi auto.
If it's on the internet it's the truth. I have to run b/c i only have 4 minutes left to forward this email to 20 people or i'll have bad luck for 8 years and never find love or get rich.
I was really just trying to point out that your rifle should take most if not all after market AR parts. AR stands for Armalite Rifle which was the original manufacturer. Unfortunately the anti's have taken it to mean assault rifle which is why we as the gun community are being encouraged to refer to it as the "modern sporting rifle" and not an assault rifle. BTW if you dont have one yet get one of these. It made the fit of my Oly K16 so much tighter and i could tell a difference in accuracy as well.
http://www.midwayusa.com/Search/#accuwedge____-_1-2-4_8-16-32 (http://www.midwayusa.com/Search/#accuwedge____-_1-2-4_8-16-32)
Hahaha, thats funny about needing to send the email! Very good one. Guess I misunderstood where you were coming from on the AR thing, I got a little 'techy' on ya there, dont know where all that came from, just too bored at work I guess cuz I sure in the hell dont know what I'm talking about! My buddy is always telling me "its not an assault rifle, its a defense rifle!" What is that accuwedge for and where does it go on the rifle?
Post by: trippledigitss on June 09, 2010, 10:34:12 PM
Post by: chrisb on June 10, 2010, 08:28:31 AM
http://www.deltagearinc.com/Armory/Accessories/AccuwedgeLG.jpg (http://www.deltagearinc.com/Armory/Accessories/AccuwedgeLG.jpg)
Post by: trippledigitss on June 15, 2010, 08:36:09 AM
pop out the rear pin that connects the upper to the lower and open it up. you see that space just below the buffer and to the rear of the trigger group that is essentially and empty void? It literally just sits there. you may need to trim the top a bit just to make sure it doesn't interfere with the buffer but that's it. Found this too:
http://www.deltagearinc.com/Armory/Accessories/AccuwedgeLG.jpg (http://www.deltagearinc.com/Armory/Accessories/AccuwedgeLG.jpg)
I got some of these yesterday and they will not fit in that space. I trimmed the bottom part where it seats down to about 1/16" thick and the back part to about 1/8" thick and cut it shorter to clear the buffer and the upper would not close at all. I had to totally cut the base off and then use only the back before it would close - so now I have about a 1/2" square piece that is only 1/8" thick slid behind the pin. There is a block on the bottom side of the upper where the pin connects and it sits tight on the lower so there is no room to put anything under it at all. Not sure if it is going to do anything....
Post by: ivarhusa on June 18, 2010, 01:15:24 PM
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Post by: overunder12 on June 25, 2010, 05:53:54 PM
but would think seriously about the AR platform, the amount of customization that you can achieve is insane! you can pick one up for about 700 bucks--but a good varmit setup with a quality 20-24" 1-12 twist Hbar will run you around 1200. (from everything I've read 1-12 is the ideal for stabilizing the 55gr, 62-75gr works well in 1-9 or 1-7.)
Post by: trippledigitss on July 01, 2010, 04:41:01 PM
Cant decide which shotgun to go with and I know nothing about them so that makes it even harder! I was looking a Remington Deer Hunter in 12ga rifled barrel - nice gun but I want to shoot shot shells more than slugs.... I dont know..... :dunno:
I let you know how it shoots when I get my Axiom!