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Title: Max Yards
Post by: Dirty Mike on May 27, 2010, 06:40:01 PM
what is the max distance everybody feels comfortable shooting?
Title: Re: Max Yards
Post by: carpsniperg2 on May 27, 2010, 07:09:16 PM
this one could get ugly fast :chuckle: mine all depends on the angle/animal/wind/ etc so it can be + or - deer:60 elk:80
and yes i shoot all year long,and know my equipment,and have plenty of killing power. etc so i don't need to hear anything about my personal choices :tup: lets keep this on the strait and narrow. i am intrested to see results. o and trad gear is 30 yards max period for me.
Title: Re: Max Yards
Post by: Button Nubbs on May 27, 2010, 07:28:46 PM
I dare you to post this on archerytalk! :yike:

Right now im shooting consistant groups out to 50, well see where im at come september. ;)
Title: Re: Max Yards
Post by: Austrian Hunter on May 27, 2010, 07:36:29 PM
40 yards,  :(
Title: Re: Max Yards
Post by: rasbo on May 27, 2010, 07:46:27 PM
40 was my cut off where I was totally comfortabel
Title: Re: Max Yards
Post by: bobcat on May 27, 2010, 07:50:18 PM
40 for me too, but 35 was even better.
Title: Re: Max Yards
Post by: dreamingbig on May 27, 2010, 07:54:19 PM
Out to 60 in practice but 40 or less in the woods during season.
Title: Re: Max Yards
Post by: Gringo31 on May 27, 2010, 08:03:57 PM
I practice at 80.  Am very comfortable with broadheads at 50 and shoot a decent group at 60....but like I said, comfortable at 50.
Title: Re: Max Yards
Post by: carpsniperg2 on May 27, 2010, 09:12:23 PM
yep the key is to shoot and practice period. i shoot all the way back to 125 for fun and a few of the shoots i go to they put some far targets out there so its good to practice never would shoot that far at a animal but i shoot well at 80 and my bow still has a ton of killing power. now i would shoot farther if i had already hit a animal and wanted to get another into it if i could,
Title: Re: Max Yards
Post by: garyltbh on May 27, 2010, 11:24:46 PM
50 yrds max for me but as i get better that may change
Title: Re: Max Yards
Post by: fishermanjoe on May 28, 2010, 12:03:44 AM
60 for practice and 50 out in the woods with a GOOD broadside

like stated before it all depends on the situation.
Title: Re: Max Yards
Post by: bowhunterforever on May 28, 2010, 12:23:54 AM
50-60 :archery_smiley:
Title: Re: Max Yards
Post by: lilswab on May 28, 2010, 06:35:10 AM
 Typically, my ESR(effective shooting range) is 40yards, but so many things factor into that.  Weather, brush, angle, wary animals.  Checkout the latest Eastmans' there is an a good article in latest issue the really does a good job breaking down ESR.  Are you going to bow hunt this year Mike?
Title: Re: Max Yards
Post by: Todd_ID on May 28, 2010, 06:53:08 AM
I can make pretty much any shot I want to try on my 3D course, but in the woods is another story.  Getting an open shot at 60 or 80 just doesn't happen unless it's in a field, and that is so rare as to not need worrying about with my style of hunting.  40 yards is a long shot in the timber.  I don't put a number on my effective range for elk because brush and limbs almost always limit what you can do. 

Now, stalking bedded mulies here in the wide open where there are no trees within a country mile is another story.  I seem to find that if I can get within 150 yards, then I'll be able to close to at least 40 for a gimme shot; sometimes you can't get to that 150, though.
Title: Re: Max Yards
Post by: whacker1 on May 28, 2010, 08:14:01 AM
I used to shoot at max of 30, but setting up my bow to FOB's shortly and will be starting from scratch.  I still like practicing long, because it makes the closer shots much easier. 
Title: Re: Max Yards
Post by: rasbo on May 28, 2010, 08:17:10 AM
wheres the 90 and a hundred yrd guys at.. :chuckle:
Title: Re: Max Yards
Post by: wabow on May 28, 2010, 08:21:23 AM
wheres the 90 and a hundred yrd guys at.. :chuckle:

I couldnt see a moose well enough at a hundred yards.:) I dont let my range finder decide wether or not Im going to shoot. If it looks good and I feel comfortable I'll take it. Usually ends up being under 60.

Don
Title: Re: Max Yards
Post by: Wazukie on May 28, 2010, 08:33:21 AM
With my cuurent bow and the ability I had 5 years ago, 40 yrds max.  With that bow I shot an elk at 60 yrds, good lung shot.  Only problem was I got NO pass thru.  She was bleeding out inside so there was no blood trail.  It was then that I decided I would only shoot 40 or less.  Up until 5 years ago, I practiced everyday out to 110 yrds.  Its easy to get to the point where you can put them all in the x-ring, doesnt matter what kind of bow you have for that.  But the diference between hunting and target is significant.  All I can say is make sure you're close enough that you get a pass thru so you get a good bleed out. the differnece is a blood trail.  just my :twocents:
Title: Re: Max Yards
Post by: WSU on May 28, 2010, 09:01:15 AM
I practice at 60 yards, but wouldn't feel comfortable shooting at game that far unless the situation was perfect.  It seems that, for me at least, getting within max yards isn't the hardest part.  The last few years I've had elk in that range numerous times during each season.  The hardest part for me is getting a shot that I will take.  I haven't released an arrow in the two years I've been bow hunting even though I've had elk anywhere from 20 to 40 yards a dozen times.
Title: Re: Max Yards
Post by: D-Rock425 on May 28, 2010, 12:07:27 PM
I shoot out to 100 yards for practice all the time.  But in the woods I like to keep it under 60.  I have shot deer out to 74 yards and 64 yards one shot kills.
Title: Re: Max Yards
Post by: MtnMuley on May 28, 2010, 03:38:24 PM
60 -- Pending I've put the time in before the season.  At this moment.......20 :)
Title: Re: Max Yards
Post by: STIKNSTRINGBOW on May 28, 2010, 03:58:18 PM
40, but I prefer 10...
 :archer:
Title: Re: Max Yards
Post by: MIKEXRAY on May 28, 2010, 04:10:12 PM
I have been shooting for five years out to 60 yards with broadheads keeping groups in a six inch circle. That being said last year I shot a cow elk standing @ 30 yards and hit a foot high of where I was aiming. On my back yard range I am surgical with my bow at 30 yards , but as stated was 12" high  ( high lung ) of where I aimed on the animal. I was in a funky position, bulky coat ( with arm guard ) , very excited. My point is I always thought my effective range was 60 yards with back yard shooting but with real life shooting situations it should probably be less. As I have learned. I am going to alter practice situations, do some 3d shooting, and some stump shooting up in my area and actually determine my effective range. I'm now thinking 40 yards but would like closer. Mike
Title: Re: Max Yards
Post by: rasbo on May 28, 2010, 04:20:33 PM
wheres the 90 and a hundred yrd guys at.. :chuckle:

I couldnt see a moose well enough at a hundred yards.:) I dont let my range finder decide wether or not Im going to shoot. If it looks good and I feel comfortable I'll take it. Usually ends up being under 60.

Don
at the size of a moose,and the bows now a days,does a 60 yrd shot on a moose still get proper penetration or a pass thru... :dunno:
Title: Re: Max Yards
Post by: carpsniperg2 on May 28, 2010, 04:50:52 PM
o yes depending on the setup my bow i shoot 83lbs at 343 fps and a good sharp broadhead easy penitration, just like all animals you want to shoot for lungs and not try to tuck it tight and hit that big shoulder bone then i would say no with about 90% of the bows out there at 60+ yards. but i would have no problem with my setup on a moose size animal at those ranges
Title: Re: Max Yards
Post by: carpsniperg2 on May 28, 2010, 04:51:39 PM
o and i am around 110lbs ke :tup:
Title: Re: Max Yards
Post by: rasbo on May 28, 2010, 04:54:26 PM
o and i am around 110lbs ke :tup:
jeez   thats smokeing
Title: Re: Max Yards
Post by: Button Nubbs on May 28, 2010, 04:57:36 PM
I agree with mikexray. I can drop bombs on the flat range but throw a little adrenaline into the mix and my effective range loses yardage quickly. That's why I said my effective yardage is 5O. Its the furthest yardage that I can keep very tight groups.
Title: Re: Max Yards
Post by: carpsniperg2 on May 28, 2010, 04:58:56 PM
one of the fastest bows in the world pse x force :tup: the omen is 366 but i like the brace hight on mine better or i would be shooting the 366 model the omen but mine is also a 80lb'er and maxes at 83-83.5 lbs which is what i hunt with most of the time. for turkeys i back it down a bit because i might have to hold for a long time and i am not shooting 1/2 as much as i normaly do before elk season even though i still shoot 3-4 times a week when i am getting ready for elk season it is 5-6 times a week. it sure wings them out there 1 pin to 40 yards makes it nice
Title: Re: Max Yards
Post by: WDFW-SUX on May 28, 2010, 05:02:58 PM
52.25
Title: Re: Max Yards
Post by: elkrack on May 28, 2010, 05:53:45 PM
practice 70 in field 50- 60
Title: Re: Max Yards
Post by: Drifterat on May 28, 2010, 06:16:33 PM
Practice out to 80.

Tight groups to 60.

Adrenalin dump changes everything on a hunting shot. I've missed an elk at 30 and crushed a broadsided deer at 60.
Title: Re: Max Yards
Post by: CSOUTFITTERS on May 28, 2010, 10:15:36 PM
Holy crap 83 lbs!  I am in good physical condition but i worry about that one time I  pull my cranked up 72 lb bow back and i hear a pop from my shoulder or something else which equals several months of not shooting or the possibility of never shooting a bow again.   

I agree with alot of these guys.  We all can shoot lights out at 60 80 yards standing, no wind, no buck fever, in the back yard with known distances.  When game is involved alot can happen from the time you release to when that arrow gets 60-80 yds.   Some guys get lucky and we hear the success story but you never hear the 80 yd gut shot or ass shot story which wounded the animal.

I think bowhunting should be an up close game and stalking within 50 yds is ideal.  Any distance farther than that a guy should switch to muzzleloading.   The real studs in the archey game are the traditional guys but im having fun killing game with a compound.  maybe someday ill make the switch   
Title: Re: Max Yards
Post by: carpsniperg2 on May 28, 2010, 10:40:40 PM
yeah i like the higher pounds just me i am 6'1" and 250ish right now will be about 230 by elk season and farm for most of my living and i shoot a bunch much more then most people if i did not shoot my bow for a month i don't think i could pull my bow back and have to back it off to like 73lbs and work back up.

and it does depend on the situations at hand i shoot in a lot of diffrent conditons wind/rain/out of breath etc to try to best prepare myself this year i have a multi deer tag and will be hunting with both trad gear and my regular setup. i always muzzle for deer and will probably end up shooting a buck in the late muzzle unless mister big makes a mistake early :drool:
Title: Re: Max Yards
Post by: PA BEN on May 31, 2010, 11:57:02 AM
I haven't picked up my bow for 3 years, I moved to the wet side 5 years ago and don't have the time off to hunt archery and gun hunt with the kids. So, I gun hunt for now. I bow hunted for 21 years and killed deer every year. Most deer were killed with in 30 yds. I killed one at 60 yds once. I killed two elk right at 60 yds. When I gear up for bow elk I practice out to 70 yds, and have no problem taking them at that yardage.
Title: Re: Max Yards
Post by: Wild Bill on June 01, 2010, 09:43:12 AM
My opinion is this... I switched from rifle to bow for the encounter, not the meat...
If I want to whack an elk at 60+ I'll go back to muzzy or rifle...
60+ has too many variables that even a stud archer cannot control, IE wind, small blades of grass, and brush generally invisible to the naked eye at that distance...

 I take my shots to 40, and I practice all year, and often... I can shoot grapefruit groups at 70, but feel like I'm getting away from the reasons I hunt archery in doing so...

Besides, having bullsnot in the face is a rush! :chuckle: :chuckle:
Title: Re: Max Yards
Post by: PA BEN on June 01, 2010, 06:23:29 PM
Ya, bow hunting the rut for bulls is the best. But when that bull is at 70 yd's------will????? I say kill him. :twocents:
Title: Re: Max Yards
Post by: h2ofowlr on June 01, 2010, 09:26:23 PM
My first pin starts at 30.  I usually shoot 2-3 times a week out to a max distance of a 100 yards for fun. I have not had to take a shot at an animal over 60 yards.  The closest kill was 5 yards using my 30 yard pin.  I am shooting the Bowtech Destroyer 350 and it has a lot of pop still at 100 yards.  Tuning broadheads and a good fletch job is key with the fast bows as the longer distances otherwise they will dance and not hit the correct point of aim.
Title: Re: Max Yards
Post by: DOUBLELUNG on June 02, 2010, 06:11:34 AM
Out to 60 in practice but 40 or less in the woods during season.
+1
Title: Re: Max Yards
Post by: let.it.fly on June 02, 2010, 07:27:49 AM
on a good day i can shoot dinner plate sized groups at 80 yards. that being said it would be hard pressed for me to shoot passt 70 in the woods. circumstances would hasve to be perfecdt for me to shoot that far.
Title: Re: Max Yards
Post by: Lowedog on June 02, 2010, 07:30:35 AM
100 -  110  yards is my max, after that the wind and other things tend to throw things off a bit.  I have a pin for 120 but that's just in case it's a really big one, and I just have to try the shot.

 :fishin:
Title: Re: Max Yards
Post by: D-Rock425 on June 02, 2010, 07:38:55 AM
I shot an elk once at 80 plus yards think she was closer to 90 but she already had an arrow in her from my cousin.  We got her but it wasn't pretty took 3 arrows.  My shot was back almost in the guts but I did get some liver.
Title: Re: Max Yards
Post by: mrmorton on June 02, 2010, 03:09:10 PM
i train at 60 so i shoot all the way out to 60. i punched through a 5x5 muley last december at exactly 60 yards and the arrown was sticking into the tree behind him about 1/8 inch. there is no max yardage, just what you can accurately hit. 60 is my max because i only have 5 pins starting with my first being the 20yrd pin.
Title: Re: Max Yards
Post by: romaknows on June 02, 2010, 05:31:02 PM
You might be able to put 12 arrows inside a 6'' circle at 60 yards every time , but after you release , even an animal that you thought was at rest could move enough to just wound it .Alot can happen in a split second.
Title: Re: Max Yards
Post by: Tony 270WSM on June 02, 2010, 06:11:04 PM
I practice beyond 60, but want to keep game at 50 or less. They could easily take a step or spook in the time it takes the arrow to get there and now you have a poor shot.
Title: Re: Max Yards
Post by: JBar on June 02, 2010, 06:29:36 PM
Practice out to 80+ but limit my deer shots to 60 under good conditions and elk to 40.
Title: Re: Max Yards
Post by: thorne27 on June 02, 2010, 06:35:39 PM
I am comfortable with 50 yds
Title: Re: Max Yards
Post by: funkster on June 02, 2010, 06:53:13 PM
40 for me. I practice my calling just as much if not more than actually shooting my bow. I have never killed an animal past 25 yards.
Title: Re: Max Yards
Post by: Whitenuckles on June 02, 2010, 07:55:12 PM
50-60 depending on conditions.
Title: Re: Max Yards
Post by: wastickslinger on June 02, 2010, 08:58:06 PM
I have a 60 for practice but 40-50 is my limit.

20 is my limit on ground hogs.  :chuckle:
Title: Re: Max Yards
Post by: brew on June 02, 2010, 09:24:04 PM
biggest bodied deer I ever shot was an old gray doe ranged at 60 yds....after I gutted her out and dragged her to the road my buddies thought she still had the innerds in her, her chest cavity was that big.  I shot a small 6 pt bull in Manastash one year after I drew an "any" elk tag at 73 yds...hit him low in the lungs and he died on an ATV trail and 5 of us drug him out whole with the game warden watching it all.  A year later shot a pass through double lunger on a cow in the same area at 60 yards....she only went 100 feet before piling up next to a big fir tree.
Title: Re: Max Yards
Post by: PA BEN on June 03, 2010, 05:46:48 AM
Howard Hill killed an elk at 125yds w/a 100 lb Bamboo Longbow. He had a witness with him, his first arrow fell low, his second arrow went through the boiler.
Title: Re: Max Yards
Post by: Lowedog on June 03, 2010, 07:01:40 AM
Howard Hill killed an elk at 125yds w/a 100 lb Bamboo Longbow. He had a witness with hem, his first arrow fell low, his second arrow went through the boiler.

And I thought only compound shooters took stupid shots at game... ;)
Title: Re: Max Yards
Post by: let.it.fly on June 03, 2010, 07:12:14 AM
Just think if the world had a couple hundred Howard Hills...100 yard shots would be the norm.

Then if you consider the fact that this was done with a longbow, the modern compound should easily remain effective out to 200 yards or so.

you my friend are not cool.
Title: Re: Max Yards
Post by: Elkrunner on June 03, 2010, 12:44:03 PM
It all depends on the setting.  Last year, I took my deer at 65 but everything was perfect.  I would say normally 40-45. 
Title: Re: Max Yards
Post by: wonder on June 04, 2010, 10:26:54 AM
I agree with some of the stuff everyone is saying here but do believe it is also very dependant on your bow and abilities.  My motto throughout my bowhunting experience is that it's better to not take a shot than to take a bad shot.  Personally 50 yards is the end of my comfort range.  Passed up a shot 2 years ago at a big cow at 50-60 because it didn't feel right.  Slightly broadside with possible brush or little tiny limbs out past 40 yards and she was watching me.  I figured if I didn't miss the shot from a slight variable in the way she would probably have jumped my string because I was shooting an older bow that was noisy.

Last year I gave a father and son a bit of lecturing on opening day of Elk season because they took a bad shot, lost the blood trail and gave up on the animal.  They left saying they had given it their all and were headed to find a new hunting spot.  A bad shot provided the coyotes a good meal that day.  Take the shot you know you can kill the animal with one shot.  Good luck.
Title: Re: Max Yards
Post by: Machias on June 04, 2010, 11:05:32 AM
It is easy to see why so many folks report finding dead or wounded animals from archery hunters.  It really is a pretty sad state of affairs for the bowhunting community.   :twocents:
Title: Re: Max Yards
Post by: STIKNSTRINGBOW on June 04, 2010, 11:22:04 AM
Just think if the world had a couple hundred Howard Hills...100 yard shots would be the norm.

Then if you consider the fact that this was done with a longbow, the modern compound should easily remain effective out to 200 yards or so.
Please consider that Howard Hill practiced constantly, from an early age, and used very heavy arrows.
Most, (and I say MOST, not all) compound users have lighter arrows to increase their speed, and therefore lose a lot of penetration energy at long distance.
He also hunted at a time where they pretty much flung arrows at every opportunity, they didnt care about "wounding mortality", and considered ANY hit in the main portion of the body fatal.
And did not tell stories of the many times that he missed, or lost an animal that was hit...
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It is easy to see why so many folks report finding dead or wounded animals from archery hunters.  It really is a pretty sad state of affairs for the bowhunting community.   .
     :yeah: It is awesome to remember our heros, but , We are responsible for our future
Title: Re: Max Yards
Post by: let.it.fly on June 04, 2010, 12:10:45 PM
Just think if the world had a couple hundred Howard Hills...100 yard shots would be the norm.

Then if you consider the fact that this was done with a longbow, the modern compound should easily remain effective out to 200 yards or so.

you my friend are not cool.

NO. I OWULD NEVER HUNT WITH SOMEONE WHO SEEMED PROUD THAT HE TOOK 150 YARD SHOTS AT A DEER AND WHEN ALL WAS SAID AND DONE "IT LOOKED LIKE A PORQUIPINE"... IMHO YOU SHOULDNT BE ALLOWED TO HUNT
We're friends?
Title: Re: Max Yards
Post by: halflife65 on June 04, 2010, 01:15:03 PM
This is a funny argument - it happens 5 or 6 times a year and, in essence, it's the same every time.

It starts out well enough, with some people stating how far they are comfortable shooting and everthing is fine, seems like fairly standard distances, people are saying "it's personal preference and how comfortable you are with your abilities" but then...

"I think that anything over 30 yards is unethical!  I think that the modern compounds are for *censored*es that don't know how to hunt!"

"I shoot 75 yards - if you're going to hunt the west you need to learn how to shoot!  I practice over 18 hours each day!"

Some rifle hunter always chimes in: "I find over 500 animals each year that were wounded by archers and died later.  That's the problem with archery and it gives hunting a bad name!"

A bunch of people get mad and tell each other that they don't know how to hunt, are unethical and have no right to be out in the woods.

Somebody finally shows up and says "As hunters, we all need to remain as one!  We'll all lose our rights if we're divided between groups!"

Some more name calling and finally an admin locks it.  Every time.   (And I'm a bowhunter, by the way.)
Title: Re: Max Yards
Post by: croix on June 04, 2010, 01:59:47 PM
 :yeah:

it takes all kinds to make a forum

http://www.pcworld.com/article/163734/it_takes_a_village_idiot_the_jerks_of_online_forums.html (http://www.pcworld.com/article/163734/it_takes_a_village_idiot_the_jerks_of_online_forums.html)
Title: Re: Max Yards
Post by: carpsniperg2 on June 04, 2010, 02:16:02 PM
i was taught a long time ago to not care what others think. each person needs to decide what is right for them and what they can shoot at. ethics is up to each person and there choices. but it is true united we stand divided we fall that is a fact :twocents:
Title: Re: Max Yards
Post by: Machias on June 04, 2010, 02:50:26 PM
Very true, it's also true a few irresponsible people can ruin a good thing for the vast majority.  halflife65 is exactly right, I always cringe when I see these threads because they are very predictable.  There was a gentleman on one of the discussion last year talking about all the wounded game he and his partners had found year in and year out.  I threw the BS flag.  After many lengthy discussion with this very knowledgeable and patient gentleman I find out I'm the one who has had his head in the sand.  I have been a bowhunter first and foremost for 33 years and you know what, just my 2 cents but as a bowhunting community we really have lost our way.  Somewhere along the way it went from "How close can I get" to "How far can I shoot".
Title: Re: Max Yards
Post by: carpsniperg2 on June 04, 2010, 02:54:33 PM
yep you got that right, a few can ruin it no matter the weapon muzzle/rifle/bow etc.
Title: Re: Max Yards
Post by: whacker1 on June 04, 2010, 02:58:20 PM
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Somewhere along the way it went from "How close can I get" to "How far can I shoot".

All sports are doing this:
instead of baseball being focussed on rbi's, batting average, wins and losses, it is focussed on home runs and how far they go.

instead of basketball being focussed on team wins - it is focussed on the flashy dunk and the player of the game and the diamonds in the ears.

I agree with you that it is a problem with certain folks including myself that shoots a 300 remington ultra mag on the rifle side, and likes technology, but the ultimate decision comes to shooter, and we just need to make sure that we are making good decisions.  I think much of this is human nature to improve upon things, but it is important to give credit to the guy that takes a shot under 10 yards, because he was able to get that close.  highlight the focus of what you want others to view.....

There will always be game lost with all weapons, but minimizing lost game through better decision making and educating on good shots is all we can do.  
Title: Re: Max Yards
Post by: bobcat on June 04, 2010, 03:46:56 PM
This is a funny argument - it happens 5 or 6 times a year and, in essence, it's the same every time.

It starts out well enough, with some people stating how far they are comfortable shooting and everthing is fine, seems like fairly standard distances, people are saying "it's personal preference and how comfortable you are with your abilities" but then...

"I think that anything over 30 yards is unethical!  I think that the modern compounds are for *censored*es that don't know how to hunt!"

"I shoot 75 yards - if you're going to hunt the west you need to learn how to shoot!  I practice over 18 hours each day!"

Some rifle hunter always chimes in: "I find over 500 animals each year that were wounded by archers and died later.  That's the problem with archery and it gives hunting a bad name!"

A bunch of people get mad and tell each other that they don't know how to hunt, are unethical and have no right to be out in the woods.

Somebody finally shows up and says "As hunters, we all need to remain as one!  We'll all lose our rights if we're divided between groups!"

Some more name calling and finally an admin locks it.  Every time.   (And I'm a bowhunter, by the way.)

Well, what's funny is none of the things you said ALWAYS happen have happened in this thread. Nobody is aruging, no rifle hunters have chimed in, a bunch of people haven't gotten mad, and the thread isn't locked.

Sounds to me like maybe you are a bit disappointed that that hasn't happened with this thread.  :dunno:
Title: Re: Max Yards
Post by: Wild Bill on June 04, 2010, 04:11:38 PM
And it begins..... :stirthepot:
Title: Re: Max Yards
Post by: halflife65 on June 04, 2010, 04:26:48 PM
Not getting into it, Bobcat.  That's the point.  And that's all I've got to say about that.
Title: Re: Max Yards
Post by: Lowedog on June 04, 2010, 10:45:35 PM
You also need to know when someone is  :fishin:
Title: Re: Max Yards
Post by: bearpaw on June 05, 2010, 04:05:39 AM
:yeah:

it takes all kinds to make a forum

http://www.pcworld.com/article/163734/it_takes_a_village_idiot_the_jerks_of_online_forums.html (http://www.pcworld.com/article/163734/it_takes_a_village_idiot_the_jerks_of_online_forums.html)

I had to laugh when I watched that slide show, if you eliminated all the stereo types in the slide show it wouldn't be worth having a discussion forum.... :chuckle:

Here's the way I see it. None of us are perfect, if we think we are, we better take another look in the mirror and think about our learning process for a glimpse at the truth. To me hunting is an opportunistic sport, sure as humans we like to think we are above other animals in our ability to act "humanely" but if you get right down to it, by hunting you are looking for an opportunity to get an animal for whatever reason you have decided to be a hunter.

When an opportunity presents itself, my thought process is predictable, how do I maximize the opportunity? That might include getting as close as I can for self satisfaction, setting up for the long shot to see if I can make it for self satisfaction, shooting a doe in the head to save meat, shooting a big buck running straight away in the a$$ because it was most likely my only chance, trying to make the perfect drop dead shot, deciding to let the critter walk because I am not ready to end the hunt, or I figure the opportunity wasn't worth risking a wounded animal that might get away and die which results in not getting the animal.

I could sugar coat any of those statements with fancy wording but I think 95% of the problems in this country are with people trying to sugar coat the reality of the situation. Bottom line, we hunt for our own satisfaction and gain in whatever specific way we get that satisfaction or gain, whether its time in the field, meat, trophy, or a combination. If a guy is capable of consistently making a killing shot at 500 yards I say he deserves respect just as the guy who stalks within 10 yards. :twocents:

It's just my predictable opinion, but I say we should all support each other.  :yike:

I probably should add, obviously we want to be effective and responsible hunters, and not cause animals unneeded suffering. But let's not lose sight of the fact that none of us are perfect, we all make mistakes, and don't for a minute think that any wounded animal dies a more grueling death from a bad shot than by bleeding to death as coyotes or wolves eat their hind quarters or a$$ out.

You would think that the tree-huggers would idolize hunters for being the keystone predators that we are, and for still having the consience to give an animal the most humane death possible.  :brew:
Title: Re: Max Yards
Post by: NoBark on June 05, 2010, 08:13:27 AM
I think you can support Hunting and hunter's of all kinds, AND still debate things like this that can have
a huge impact on our sport. 

For example, we all support bowhunters, but certainly not the actions of all bowhunters.  It's called self-policeing.

And when it comes to ethics, group sentiment often becomes the ethical norm. If enough go outside the norm,
the rest of the larger group push for those 'ethical' areas to be put into written law. ie: no draw-lok allowed, no electronics on a bow etc.

Because the actions of the individual affects the whole group, it is what it is imo :twocents:
Title: Re: Max Yards
Post by: MasterMisser on June 05, 2010, 04:38:44 PM
And it begins..... :stirthepot:

 :yeah: :yeah: :yeah:
Title: Re: Max Yards
Post by: MasterMisser on June 05, 2010, 04:46:26 PM
:yeah:

it takes all kinds to make a forum

http://www.pcworld.com/article/163734/it_takes_a_village_idiot_the_jerks_of_online_forums.html (http://www.pcworld.com/article/163734/it_takes_a_village_idiot_the_jerks_of_online_forums.html)

I had to laugh when I watched that slide show, if you eliminated all the stereo types in the slide show it wouldn't be worth having a discussion forum.... :chuckle:

Here's the way I see it. None of us are perfect, if we think we are, we better take another look in the mirror and think about our learning process for a glimpse at the truth. To me hunting is an opportunistic sport, sure as humans we like to think we are above other animals in our ability to act "humanely" but if you get right down to it, by hunting you are looking for an opportunity to get an animal for whatever reason you have decided to be a hunter.

When an opportunity presents itself, my thought process is predictable, how do I maximize the opportunity? That might include getting as close as I can for self satisfaction, setting up for the long shot to see if I can make it for self satisfaction, shooting a doe in the head to save meat, shooting a big buck running straight away in the a$$ because it was most likely my only chance, trying to make the perfect drop dead shot, deciding to let the critter walk because I am not ready to end the hunt, or I figure the opportunity wasn't worth risking a wounded animal that might get away and die which results in not getting the animal.

I could sugar coat any of those statements with fancy wording but I think 95% of the problems in this country are with people trying to sugar coat the reality of the situation. Bottom line, we hunt for our own satisfaction and gain in whatever specific way we get that satisfaction or gain, whether its time in the field, meat, trophy, or a combination. If a guy is capable of consistently making a killing shot at 500 yards I say he deserves respect just as the guy who stalks within 10 yards. :twocents:

It's just my predictable opinion, but I say we should all support each other.  :yike:

I probably should add, obviously we want to be effective and responsible hunters, and not cause animals unneeded suffering. But let's not lose sight of the fact that none of us are perfect, we all make mistakes, and don't for a minute think that any wounded animal dies a more grueling death from a bad shot than by bleeding to death as coyotes or wolves eat their hind quarters or a$$ out.

You would think that the tree-huggers would idolize hunters for being the keystone predators that we are, and for still having the consience to give an animal the most humane death possible.  :brew:

I couldn't agree with this more! Just my  :twocents:
I archery hunt, Long range rifle hunt, and waterfowl hunt.
I only take shots I know I can make regardless of the weapon I choose to use! I practice for a reason! To prepare myself to successfully and humanly harvest an animal. Most hunters practice!!! Its the ones who push there personal limits that have a better chance of not successfully making the shot! The real title to this thread should be ( how many yards do you practice out to)!  :twocents:
Title: Re: Max Yards
Post by: bigbull94 on June 06, 2010, 04:53:10 PM
even the guys that shoot safari's at 100yds,won't shoot past 60yds. in a true hunting situation.I would say a snot blowing bull at less than twenty yards is my effective range!!
Title: Re: Max Yards
Post by: PA BEN on June 06, 2010, 06:22:48 PM
This is a funny argument - it happens 5 or 6 times a year and, in essence, it's the same every time.

It starts out well enough, with some people stating how far they are comfortable shooting and everthing is fine, seems like fairly standard distances, people are saying "it's personal preference and how comfortable you are with your abilities" but then...

"I think that anything over 30 yards is unethical!  I think that the modern compounds are for *censored*es that don't know how to hunt!"

"I shoot 75 yards - if you're going to hunt the west you need to learn how to shoot!  I practice over 18 hours each day!"

Some rifle hunter always chimes in: "I find over 500 animals each year that were wounded by archers and died later.  That's the problem with archery and it gives hunting a bad name!"

A bunch of people get mad and tell each other that they don't know how to hunt, are unethical and have no right to be out in the woods.

Somebody finally shows up and says "As hunters, we all need to remain as one!  We'll all lose our rights if we're divided between groups!"

Some more name calling and finally an admin locks it.  Every time.   (And I'm a bowhunter, by the way.)
First of all I call BS on the 500 animals each year you find. Second, I'm a *censored* compound bow hunter according to you. Do you know why I use a compound bow? I started 24 years ago, hunting w/a bear re curve, then I went to a JD Berry 70 lb longbow. I was good, and harvested some nice animals. BUT, every so often I would get a bad hit at less then 30 yds. I felt sick about wounding animals. My shot placement wasn't as good as I would like it to be, so I went to a compound bow w/sights, to get a good clean kill. But, according to you I should have stayed w/my longbow and wound an animal every now and then or quite and not bow hunt at all.   
Title: Re: Max Yards
Post by: halflife65 on June 06, 2010, 07:15:09 PM
This is a funny argument - it happens 5 or 6 times a year and, in essence, it's the same every time.

It starts out well enough, with some people stating how far they are comfortable shooting and everthing is fine, seems like fairly standard distances, people are saying "it's personal preference and how comfortable you are with your abilities" but then...

"I think that anything over 30 yards is unethical!  I think that the modern compounds are for *censored*es that don't know how to hunt!"

"I shoot 75 yards - if you're going to hunt the west you need to learn how to shoot!  I practice over 18 hours each day!"

Some rifle hunter always chimes in: "I find over 500 animals each year that were wounded by archers and died later.  That's the problem with archery and it gives hunting a bad name!"

A bunch of people get mad and tell each other that they don't know how to hunt, are unethical and have no right to be out in the woods.

Somebody finally shows up and says "As hunters, we all need to remain as one!  We'll all lose our rights if we're divided between groups!"

Some more name calling and finally an admin locks it.  Every time.   (And I'm a bowhunter, by the way.)
First of all I call BS on the 500 animals each year you find. Second, I'm a *censored* compound bow hunter according to you. Do you know why I use a compound bow? I started 24 years ago, hunting w/a bear re curve, then I went to a JD Berry 70 lb longbow. I was good, and harvested some nice animals. BUT, every so often I would get a bad hit at less then 30 yds. I felt sick about wounding animals. My shot placement wasn't as good as I would like it to be, so I went to a compound bow w/sights, to get a good clean kill. But, according to you I should have stayed w/my longbow and wound an animal every now and then or quite and not bow hunt at all.   

I'll say this ONCE and then drop it:  You've missed the entire point.  I, too am a *censored* that uses a compound bow, I shoot somewhere between the 30 and 75 yards I stated, NOBODY finds 500 animals - probably rarely do they find one but it seems like someone starts claiming that they find a bunch of wounded ones with arrows sticking out of them - that's the point.

My point in making those statements is that everyone often becomes super judgemental, has some kind of story about someone that they saw or heard of doing something dumb and then say that there way is the right way - and everyone else doesn't know what they're doing. 

My whole point is that "it starts out well enough" when everyone just states what yardage they are comfortable shooting at and that's it.  It ends badly when things start to go the direction of the Howard Hill argument that was starting.

I thought that the sarcasm in those statements was obvious.  Hey Suess, calm down.
Title: Re: Max Yards
Post by: PA BEN on June 06, 2010, 08:13:27 PM
 :chuckle:
Title: Re: Max Yards
Post by: woodswalker on June 07, 2010, 02:09:42 PM
Machias has some good points... :twocents:
Title: Re: Max Yards
Post by: Ray on June 14, 2010, 10:58:01 PM
At 20 yards it's almost a sure kill as long as the critter doesn't see me. Won't shoot past 30.
Title: Re: Max Yards
Post by: nockbuster on June 14, 2010, 10:58:36 PM
30 yards is what i like to have
Title: Re: Max Yards
Post by: BowForElk on July 26, 2010, 08:39:42 PM
I watched a guy range a doe at 96 yards and stick it dead on. it was 96 from A to B but she was down a very steep slope at the bottom. But he claimed for have shot for diamond. I would call bs but the previous statement I believed him.
Title: Re: Max Yards
Post by: dreamingbig on July 27, 2010, 06:56:20 AM
This is always a controversial topic.  I practice out to 60 - 70 yards at the range and limit myself to 40 in the woods.  I  haven't had to shoot past 30 yards yet on an elk yet.  Practice long on the range and get close in the field.
Title: Re: Max Yards
Post by: Recurve-Elk on July 27, 2010, 09:09:29 AM
I think shots taken in practice, and shots on animals are two totally different scenarios.  Just because I can shoot a solid group with my compound at 70 yards doesn't mean I will shoot at an animal at 70.  I wounded an elk once, and would never like to see myself do that again. (that was 50 yards)  That said, my max yardage with a compound is 40, and with a recurve right now, is roughly 20.  Maybe less and I am not ashamed to say that in slightest.  I would really like to see my recurve groups get tighter before I shoot at an animal at say 25-30.

But this is just me.  I know a guy who shot a doe through the heart at 80 yards.  Only the individual knows weather they can make the shot or not.

On a side note, that same guy was trying to convince me to use my compound this year.  He gave me a lecture about how my chances are going to be much smaller if I use my recurve, because of my limited range.  To be honest, I was slightly offended when he said this.... I bought the recurve knowing the limitations that came with it.  I also bought it with the intention of using it to hunt.  I wouldn't have dropped 500$ if I wasn't going to use it.   >:(  Needless to say, this made me want to hunt with it even more.  Sorry had to vent.  

Mrmorton, I didn't argue with him about it at all.  My response was just "ya you are right my yardage is limited but I am fine with that."  And I totally agree with you, there shouldn't be any arguing between what kind of bow you use.  I am totally cool with any bow.  
Title: Re: Max Yards
Post by: mrmorton on July 27, 2010, 10:36:30 AM
why are trad hunters and compound hunters never getting along? i just starting compound hunting 3 years ago and i dont see a difference in the hunting styles. its like people who ride a kawasaki ninja sport bike will never mesh up with a harley rider. whats the freakin difference? im sorry, those of you who are arguing are dumb and ignorant.  :mor:
Title: Re: Max Yards
Post by: ELKBURGER on July 27, 2010, 03:14:17 PM
I've only hunted with a compound. I think bowhunting elk with a compound is tough enough. My hat goes off to you traditional guys! I hope I will feel confident enough someday to try traditional gear. In the meantime, I will continue to challenge myself to get within 30 to 40 yards, undetected, and make a clean kill.
Title: Re: Max Yards
Post by: coachcw on July 27, 2010, 04:01:55 PM
The topic is max yards your comfotable with , not how far the other guy shoots . at times my max is 30 yards on a calm animal and still wind I'm ok out to 80 yards marked . as long as i'm shooting good left to right I'm ok with longish shots. I think almost everyone thats hunted long enough has made a poor shot on an animal I know i have . I think there's much more than distance to a shot . I lost a bull I shot at 3 feet in the neck I should have used my 60 pin insted of my 20 pin . In that case I guess it was past my max yardage most of the long shots i've missed have fell short or over the top ending in a clean miss. If a guy practices and shots  good gear there's no reason to limit a shot to 20 yards.
Title: Re: Max Yards
Post by: hoyt5199 on July 27, 2010, 07:26:42 PM
50yds for me, unless he is a big bull and only have one chance but then I feel comfortable reaching out a little further
Title: Re: Max Yards
Post by: bonneylakebowman on July 27, 2010, 07:53:57 PM
i practice constantly at 80 90 and 100 yards but i wont shoot over 60 in the woods  and where i have been hunting i will be lucky if i can get a shot out to 30
Title: Re: Max Yards
Post by: jl58 on July 28, 2010, 06:05:22 AM
50yds for me, unless he is a big bull and only have one chance but then I feel comfortable reaching out a little further
How does the size of his antlers increase your effective range?
Title: Re: Max Yards
Post by: Snapshot on July 28, 2010, 09:28:43 AM
20 yards is good. But I believe in getting closer...

The silver lining to threads like this is that someone will read it and rethink their views on taking risky shots.
Title: Re: Max Yards
Post by: 1morebuck on July 28, 2010, 12:43:16 PM
"Risky" shots can be found at any range. I agree with anyone who practices and knows their own effective range. I don't care who you are, a$$ or not, if a person sticks an animal in the HQ or guts and looses it, they feel like crap. I practice and can nail out to 80 with my old Mathews Legacy, but I have only ever shot at an animal (elk) out to 60 and had my arrow pass through.  :twocents:
Title: Re: Max Yards
Post by: br8kitoff on July 28, 2010, 05:15:11 PM
I would go out to 40...but as everyone has said that is a long one in the woods.  Having said that I've missed on more than one occasion at 20 yards because while at full draw watching the animal come into my shooting lane I didn't see the twiggy branch right infront of me because my focus was down range  :bash:  not to mention your so excited that your gonna take a nice close shot! :chuckle:
Title: Re: Max Yards
Post by: 520backyard on July 29, 2010, 07:09:36 PM
I practice out to 80. I have taken several elk at 70 and deer at 60 and am pretty comfortable at those ranges for elk and deer. But the variables come into play in the woods and have passed at taking shots much closer. It depends on the hand your dealt while hunting as to how close you can get to make the shot.
Title: Re: Max Yards
Post by: coachcw on July 29, 2010, 08:52:00 PM
I think that you have to be dissaplined just be cause you go to full draw dosn't mean that you have to let it fly.
Title: Re: Max Yards
Post by: micahash1 on August 03, 2010, 10:16:05 AM
First off, I am a washington hunter, and I just found this forum.  It's GREAT!!!  I love reading peoples stories and wish I found it years ago.  Now to the subject, I live on the East side which makes it difficult to get close shots.  I consistantly practice up to 90yrds and am comfortable to 60 but as others have posted it all depends on the conditions. Though my dear have all come from around 60yrds.
Title: Re: Max Yards
Post by: coachcw on August 03, 2010, 12:30:24 PM
welcome on
Title: Re: Max Yards
Post by: firedog on August 05, 2010, 01:18:26 PM
I practice out to 70 but in the woods my range is 40. Passed up a shot last year at 50 which i am sure I could have made but went into season saying I wouldn't shoot past 40 and stayed with it. Doesn't matter if it is a bigger animal or not. Just my way of doing things. I took up archery because of the closeness of the hunting and like it that way.
Title: Re: Max Yards
Post by: zpoolman on August 09, 2010, 05:47:00 PM
I shoot pretty much every day, 50 shots at my indoor range at home out to 65 yds. Yea 65 indoors at home, I am spoiled. At the range I'll get out to 90, would never shoot at an animal that far but it is fun. 60 is my max. I do have a pin set for 80 though???
Title: Re: Max Yards
Post by: ribka on August 09, 2010, 06:07:59 PM
I shoot pretty much every day, 50 shots at my indoor range at home out to 65 yds. Yea 65 indoors at home, I am spoiled. At the range I'll get out to 90, would never shoot at an animal that far but it is fun. 60 is my max. I do have a pin set for 80 though???

  65 yd indoor range? Are you Bill Gates? :)

I shoot out to 70-80 yds for fun. I limit to around 40 yds compound and 30 yds with stick bow. But depends on situation, whether animal is alert to my presence, wind etc. And I only shoot at animals in a relaxed state. I have passed up shots less than 10 yds because of brush and body angle though.
Title: Re: Max Yards
Post by: smartazz171 on August 10, 2010, 12:48:19 PM
40 is my max.  I once read an article about a pro teaching a class and asked everyone to write down their max effective range.  He then took them to a large steel target with a center the size of average deer vitals, and said it was amazing to see how arrows and egos get shattered on a steel target.  ;)
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