Post by: drbones on May 31, 2010, 07:09:37 PM
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Post by: MichaelD on May 31, 2010, 07:37:10 PM
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Post by: sako223 on May 31, 2010, 07:52:57 PM
I will say that asking specifics before and abiding to the letter will help keep these grounds open.
Our family stopped participating along with several neighbors for several reasons, illegal kills, cutting fences and trees, garbage, driving off road, leaving blue tarps and game waste, signing up for two and bringing twelve, camping over, hunting closed parcels.
Post by: Wacenturion on May 31, 2010, 09:19:23 PM
There are opportunities and like has been said go early. A little extra on your part may etch their memory for the next time. Like some hunters give a little gift or give a hand with something.
I will say that asking specifics before and abiding to the letter will help keep these grounds open.
Our family stopped participating along with several neighbors for several reasons, illegal kills, cutting fences and trees, garbage, driving off road, leaving blue tarps and game waste, signing up for two and bringing twelve, camping over, hunting closed parcels.
Used to be a staff of private land biologists stationed in local areas during the 90's whose job it was to assist landowners with habitat plantings, access, signage, basically whatever they had an interest in to sign up lands in this program and provide access to the public.
WDFW decided that wasn't a good approach and let it erode away to a a low level over the past 8-9 years. Used to be 20 folks dedicated to the program....now maybe 5 or 6 and they are directed to do other things that takes them away from what they used to do.
The above example is commonplace now with landowners leaving the program. Can't blame them.....those so called managers in WDFW could care less about them.
Post by: Todd_ID on June 01, 2010, 05:55:57 AM
Now that I've gotten a few places figured out it's pretty easy to get the permission each year. One thing to keep in mind, if you see a sign with an arrow on it, follow the arrows, and they generally lead to a parking area with a sign-in-to-hunt station that allows access to the land as long as you sign in every time and carry the slip with you.
Post by: PA BEN on June 01, 2010, 06:08:18 AM
BTW, this kid is starting a guiding business. I grew up there and could have been the best guide the area had. But, I don't like the idea of locking up land, pissing off my neighbors and taking opportunities away from the Joe hunter and there kids. I take friends and kids hunting for free.
Post by: Jerbear on June 01, 2010, 08:55:30 AM
The next time you are compelled to submit such selfish thoughts, call me and we will work through it for you. Your friend Jerbear.
Post by: Wacenturion on June 01, 2010, 09:06:39 AM
Wacenturion I have to say that you don't see the overall picture. Perhaps you are leaning toward being selfish. To have biologists out there helping the hunter who helps support the program. My My. Then my friend, you would be taking away from other programs. You know, like the 3 biologists down along the Columbia that do nothing but take care of The Western Pond Turtle, and the Oregon Spotted Frog.
The next time you are compelled to submit such selfish thoughts, call me and we will work through it for you. Your friend Jerbear.
:chuckle:
Post by: jackelope on June 01, 2010, 08:08:36 PM
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Post by: ThePascoKid on March 05, 2013, 07:08:53 AM
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There are a few land owners that use the system the way it is and was set up for but for the most part it is a big joke! Your tax and license money goes to pay for WDFW to post their land so the owner, his family, and close buddies can hunt. Saves him the time and money to post his own lands and he has total control on who and how many people can hunt. The Feel Free to Hunt program and the register program work well, but this program here in south eastern WA is a joke that we as hunters are flipping the bill for. Now some will argue with me and there are some land owners that do it right but my Buddy who is a biologist for the state here in the Tri-Cities will tell you the game dept is getting tired of posting and patrolling ranchers land that have no intention of letting anyone hunt except close friends and family. Good luck.
Couldn't agree with you more! In this area its a joke.
Post by: JM on March 05, 2013, 08:05:59 AM
There are a few land owners that use the system the way it is and was set up for but for the most part it is a big joke! Your tax and license money goes to pay for WDFW to post their land so the owner, his family, and close buddies can hunt. Saves him the time and money to post his own lands and he has total control on who and how many people can hunt. The Feel Free to Hunt program and the register program work well, but this program here in south eastern WA is a joke that we as hunters are flipping the bill for. Now some will argue with me and there are some land owners that do it right but my Buddy who is a biologist for the state here in the Tri-Cities will tell you the game dept is getting tired of posting and patrolling ranchers land that have no intention of letting anyone hunt except close friends and family. Good luck.
I have a friend that's property is posted HUNTING BY WRITTEN PERMISSION ONLY, and I know for a fact that he put the signs up himself. I'm not sure how they did it in SE Washington but at his place the F&G doesn't do a damn thing to help them? All they do is make money off of special applications that they sell to youth hunters. I have also never seen them patrol his propery or the perimeter of it. They don't fix fence when someone cuts it to get a 4 wheeler in so they can get their animal that they shot right behind the shoulder and yet it managed to run 400yds onto his place to die. They tell them to call a tow truck when someone is blocking their gate and trespassing because they're busy.
I think that sometimes the F&G has the landowner post their property incorrectly, and then the public reads these signs and it can turn into a big misunderstanding. Take my friend for example, the only way that he agreed to let people onto his place was for them to be youth hunters through a special draw. Yet they gave him HUNTING BY WRITTEN PERMISSION ONLY signs to put on his fence line? Which from reading into these programs I believe it should say PERMIT ONLY AREA. So remember that it's not always the landowner at fault for things like this. I know that this is the only example that I know of and it's not always the case, but this is how things go on his place.
Post by: HoofsandWings on March 05, 2013, 08:28:26 AM
There is:
feel free to hunt
hunting with written permission
and now
hunting by reservation
You have to go to the wdfw site where there are maps of participating land owners.
The idea behind this is to give the property time to rest.
So if you are a deer hunter and reserve a spot, you and maybe one other hunter can hunt the land.
The details are on the web site.
(I do not have a link for you)
Post by: jackelope on March 05, 2013, 08:40:01 AM
how do you get their phone numbers to contact them?Off the signs posting their land.
Post by: whitey on March 05, 2013, 09:03:38 AM
i dont even bother any more. of the several that i have called over the years ive gotten no permission, half the time they never answer, the other half its always- sorry but i have regulars that come over every year & i like to keep pressure down. i understand that it is there property but it seems to me they are being paid to opperate thier own private preserve. nothing says they have to give permission to thier private property but they shouldnt get paid to allow just buddies & kin.I also have called and never even got a return call or as much as a F#*k no you cant hunt it. :yike:
I did get a few more that I will call this year. :dunno:
Post by: Karl Blanchard on March 05, 2013, 09:26:07 AM
Cole's place is a lot different than most. I have called on many and talked face to face with many over the years and like stated before if it is during rifle season you are probably s.o.l because friends and family have all the permission slips.There are a few land owners that use the system the way it is and was set up for but for the most part it is a big joke! Your tax and license money goes to pay for WDFW to post their land so the owner, his family, and close buddies can hunt. Saves him the time and money to post his own lands and he has total control on who and how many people can hunt. The Feel Free to Hunt program and the register program work well, but this program here in south eastern WA is a joke that we as hunters are flipping the bill for. Now some will argue with me and there are some land owners that do it right but my Buddy who is a biologist for the state here in the Tri-Cities will tell you the game dept is getting tired of posting and patrolling ranchers land that have no intention of letting anyone hunt except close friends and family. Good luck.
I have a friend that's property is posted HUNTING BY WRITTEN PERMISSION ONLY, and I know for a fact that he put the signs up himself. I'm not sure how they did it in SE Washington but at his place the F&G doesn't do a damn thing to help them? All they do is make money off of special applications that they sell to youth hunters. I have also never seen them patrol his propery or the perimeter of it. They don't fix fence when someone cuts it to get a 4 wheeler in so they can get their animal that they shot right behind the shoulder and yet it managed to run 400yds onto his place to die. They tell them to call a tow truck when someone is blocking their gate and trespassing because they're busy.
I think that sometimes the F&G has the landowner post their property incorrectly, and then the public reads these signs and it can turn into a big misunderstanding. Take my friend for example, the only way that he agreed to let people onto his place was for them to be youth hunters through a special draw. Yet they gave him HUNTING BY WRITTEN PERMISSION ONLY signs to put on his fence line? Which from reading into these programs I believe it should say PERMIT ONLY AREA. So remember that it's not always the landowner at fault for things like this. I know that this is the only example that I know of and it's not always the case, but this is how things go on his place.
Post by: buckfvr on March 05, 2013, 10:04:42 AM
Post by: Special T on March 05, 2013, 10:34:54 AM
This topic covers most of what you guys are asking.
In summery the WDFW has joined forces with the CRP program at times to keep marginal fam land in native cover for animals. In many cases PERMISSION was NOT required to give out. The hunting by permission only signs were put out on ANY land the WDFW lent funds to EVEN if no permission was going to be granted. :twocents:
Post by: C-Money on March 05, 2013, 11:41:33 AM
Post by: JM on March 05, 2013, 12:28:45 PM
Cole's place is a lot different than most. I have called on many and talked face to face with many over the years and like stated before if it is during rifle season you are probably s.o.l because friends and family have all the permission slips.There are a few land owners that use the system the way it is and was set up for but for the most part it is a big joke! Your tax and license money goes to pay for WDFW to post their land so the owner, his family, and close buddies can hunt. Saves him the time and money to post his own lands and he has total control on who and how many people can hunt. The Feel Free to Hunt program and the register program work well, but this program here in south eastern WA is a joke that we as hunters are flipping the bill for. Now some will argue with me and there are some land owners that do it right but my Buddy who is a biologist for the state here in the Tri-Cities will tell you the game dept is getting tired of posting and patrolling ranchers land that have no intention of letting anyone hunt except close friends and family. Good luck.
I have a friend that's property is posted HUNTING BY WRITTEN PERMISSION ONLY, and I know for a fact that he put the signs up himself. I'm not sure how they did it in SE Washington but at his place the F&G doesn't do a damn thing to help them? All they do is make money off of special applications that they sell to youth hunters. I have also never seen them patrol his propery or the perimeter of it. They don't fix fence when someone cuts it to get a 4 wheeler in so they can get their animal that they shot right behind the shoulder and yet it managed to run 400yds onto his place to die. They tell them to call a tow truck when someone is blocking their gate and trespassing because they're busy.
I think that sometimes the F&G has the landowner post their property incorrectly, and then the public reads these signs and it can turn into a big misunderstanding. Take my friend for example, the only way that he agreed to let people onto his place was for them to be youth hunters through a special draw. Yet they gave him HUNTING BY WRITTEN PERMISSION ONLY signs to put on his fence line? Which from reading into these programs I believe it should say PERMIT ONLY AREA. So remember that it's not always the landowner at fault for things like this. I know that this is the only example that I know of and it's not always the case, but this is how things go on his place.
From what people have been posting it sounds like his situation is different than most. I know that I have limited knowledge of the program, due to the fact that I've never tried to contact land owners that are involved in it. I just wanted to point out that atleast in his case it's not him at fault.
Post by: bigtex on March 05, 2013, 01:19:29 PM
I personally have only used the written permission program in Whitman County and never had a problem.
Post by: The100Road on March 05, 2013, 01:27:59 PM
There are a few land owners that use the system the way it is and was set up for but for the most part it is a big joke! Your tax and license money goes to pay for WDFW to post their land so the owner, his family, and close buddies can hunt. Saves him the time and money to post his own lands and he has total control on who and how many people can hunt. The Feel Free to Hunt program and the register program work well, but this program here in south eastern WA is a joke that we as hunters are flipping the bill for. Now some will argue with me and there are some land owners that do it right but my Buddy who is a biologist for the state here in the Tri-Cities will tell you the game dept is getting tired of posting and patrolling ranchers land that have no intention of letting anyone hunt except close friends and family. Good luck.
:yeah:
Post by: DeerThug on March 05, 2013, 08:46:01 PM
1) do what elkstuffer said:
2) watch out the window while you drive down the interstate you are driving past prime hunitng spots with monster bucks watching you drive by..... turn it around and wack one
think small aim small the big bucks are not where you would think ....
Post by: Limhangerslayer on March 06, 2013, 09:55:17 PM
Post by: Special T on March 07, 2013, 01:29:13 PM
Post by: Wacenturion on March 07, 2013, 07:14:38 PM
The $ they get has NOTHING to do with acess. It is NOT required for some $$$ . WDFW was used as a suplement to enhance the ammount of land for cover by adding it to the CRP program. Those "Hunt by permission only" signs were place on land owners land that said they would NOT allow hunters. In the CRP program additional points are awarded for access but its NOT required. :twocents:
Back in the 90's if WDFW assisted on helping landowners qualify for CRP, by say putting in cistrens as an example, then access was required under one of the programss, usually Feel Free To Hunt.
Post by: Special T on March 07, 2013, 09:07:52 PM
Post by: 509 on April 01, 2013, 01:22:18 PM
The program needs to be eliminated and replaced with a limited entry, sign-in program. Numbered parking space and sign-in board. Somebody parked in the space, you cannot hunt until they leave.
These landowners are just stealing money from hunters and the public. Time to stop it.
Post by: LiveandLearn on April 10, 2013, 09:07:03 AM