Post by: canyelk48 on June 03, 2010, 04:27:29 PM
Post by: billythekidrock on June 03, 2010, 04:31:34 PM
Post by: saylean on June 03, 2010, 04:37:53 PM
At my son's hunter ed class they said that there are some in WA, just not huntable numbers. :dunno:
I've heard that there are some too. I would think they would flourish in the Palouse area.
Post by: runamuk on June 03, 2010, 04:38:56 PM
Post by: PolarBear on June 03, 2010, 04:43:52 PM
Post by: bobcat on June 03, 2010, 04:44:14 PM
http://www.working4wildlife.com/Pronghorn_Antelope_Reintroduction.htm (http://www.working4wildlife.com/Pronghorn_Antelope_Reintroduction.htm)
Post by: agchawk on June 03, 2010, 04:56:07 PM
Post by: agchawk on June 03, 2010, 04:57:34 PM
http://www.campusecology.wsu.edu/page_045.htm (http://www.campusecology.wsu.edu/page_045.htm)
Post by: steen on June 03, 2010, 05:51:24 PM
Post by: Bob33 on June 03, 2010, 09:04:55 PM
Naturally just because I haven't seen any, nor heard of any being seen does not prove they aren't here, but if there are any more than a very scattered few, I think there would be more credible sighting reports.
There have been a few efforts to reintroduce them. Safari Club had plans to do so a few years ago but got frustrated with delays in Olympia.
http://www.seattlepi.com/getaways/390312_pronghorn04.html (http://www.seattlepi.com/getaways/390312_pronghorn04.html)
http://www.tri-cityherald.com/2008/11/15/384860/state-looks-at-reintroducing-pronghorn.html (http://www.tri-cityherald.com/2008/11/15/384860/state-looks-at-reintroducing-pronghorn.html)
Post by: carpsniperg2 on June 03, 2010, 09:07:19 PM
Post by: WDFW-SUX on June 03, 2010, 09:11:52 PM
Post by: benhuntin on June 03, 2010, 09:13:49 PM
Post by: Elkstuffer on June 03, 2010, 09:14:41 PM
The Central Washington chapter of SCI spearheaded a reintrodution into the state 2 years ago. WDFW was on board at first. After they backed out SCI went to the Yakama tribe and they were all for it.
There would already be 100 pronghorn on the ground but the lack of weather hampered the capturing of them. They are coming from an area outside of Winnimucca NV. They needed more snow than they had for a safe capture. Then it got too late into the winter and they were worried about fawn survival. They will try again this winter.
Post by: rb2506 on June 03, 2010, 09:15:51 PM
At my son's hunter ed class they said that there are some in WA, just not huntable numbers. :dunno:My mom said she saw some west of Spokane (I thought she was crazy but maybe she was right, right kind of country)
Post by: benhuntin on June 03, 2010, 09:18:51 PM
Post by: Bob33 on June 03, 2010, 09:21:09 PM
there are some on the hanford reach.Have you heard of any recent sightings? It seems like ideal country.
They don't list pronghorn here, but that doesn't prove they aren't there: http://www.fws.gov/hanfordreach/documents/mammal-list.pdf (http://www.fws.gov/hanfordreach/documents/mammal-list.pdf)
Post by: WDFW-SUX on June 03, 2010, 09:21:23 PM
No nothing recent but the rumors are persistent.
Post by: rb2506 on June 03, 2010, 09:21:59 PM
That'll be ONE more tag for 15000 of us to put in for. :chuckle: :chuckle:Just think how much money the state could make on one tag 6.50x15000=$97,500
Post by: Bob33 on June 03, 2010, 09:22:28 PM
If they were smart they would go kidnap a goat out Wyoming and then let it go on the YTC and have a draw for it. $$$$$$Don't give them any more bad ideas... :chuckle:
Post by: WDFW-SUX on June 03, 2010, 09:24:22 PM
If they were smart they would go kidnap a goat out Wyoming and then let it go on the YTC and have a draw for it. $$$$$$Don't give them any more bad ideas... :chuckle:
The sick thing is we all would line up and apply for the next 50 years..
Hell I bet they could get a goat on ebay.
Post by: benhuntin on June 03, 2010, 09:26:52 PM
Post by: WDFW Hates ME!!! on June 03, 2010, 09:40:37 PM
Add all that up for an antelope. The WDFW might want to rethink this.
Post by: KillerMiller on June 03, 2010, 10:02:45 PM
65211
The Holocene History of Pronghorn (Antilocapra americana) in Eastern
Washington State
Abstract
Historical documents are ambiguous regarding the presence/absence and distribution of pronghorn (Antilocapra americana) in
eastern Washington State. Paleozoological (archaeological and paleontological) data indicate pronghorn were present there during
most of the last 10,000 years, and available samples imply the boundaries of pronghorn distribution coincided with the modern
distribution of shrub-steppe habitats. There is no evidence of temporal fluctuation in the abundance of pronghorn that cannot be
explained by sampling error. Pronghorn were abundant relative to wapiti (Cervus elaphus) at the mouth of the Snake River but
rare near the Washington–Idaho border. Pronghorn were never abundant relative to other ungulates, but were occasionally sufficiently
numerous to form herds that were taken communally by groups of prehistoric hunters. Pronghorn were present but rare
in the nineteenth century and did not persist into the twentieth century.
http://faculty.missouri.edu/~lymanr/pdfs/2007Pronghorn.pdf (http://faculty.missouri.edu/~lymanr/pdfs/2007Pronghorn.pdf)
Interesting read.
Post by: Bob33 on June 03, 2010, 10:10:55 PM
Actually it would be a money maker... Youth Buck, Youth Doe, Quality buck, Buck, 65 and over buck, 65 and over doe, disabled buck/doe, *censored* they might come up with walk in tags, bike in tags, road hunting tags.Young Buck, Old Buck, Healthy Buck, Sick Buck, Dead Buck, Close Buck, Far Buck, Illegal Alien Buck, Fast Buck, Slow Buck, One Buck, Two Bucks, Five Bucks, Ten Bucks, Skinny Buck, Fat Buck, Ugly Buck...
Add all that up for an antelope. The WDFW might want to rethink this.
Where is Dr. Seuss when we need him?
Post by: Caretaker on June 03, 2010, 10:31:24 PM
Post by: Bob33 on June 03, 2010, 10:34:38 PM
http://apps.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=77.08.030 (http://apps.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=77.08.030)
RCW 77.08.030
"Big game" defined.
As used in this title or rules of the commission, "big game" means the following species:
Scientific Name Common Name
Cervus canadensis elk or wapiti
Odocoileus hemionus blacktail deer or mule deer
Odocoileus virginianus whitetail deer
Alces americana moose
Oreamnos americanus mountain goat
Rangifer caribou caribou
Ovis canadensis mountain sheep
Antilocapra americana pronghorn antelope
Felis concolor cougar or mountain lion
Euarctos americana black bear
Ursus horribilis grizzly bear
Post by: bobcat on June 03, 2010, 11:20:33 PM
Post by: Bob33 on June 03, 2010, 11:28:48 PM
Post by: bobcat on June 03, 2010, 11:30:26 PM
The owners may have a problem with it.
:chuckle:
Post by: gasman on June 04, 2010, 05:09:58 AM
Right. Bison, like cattle can be hunted as far as WDFW is concerned. The owners may have a problem with it.
So, the cattle left in the National Forest are legal to hunt if they are not removed when they are supose to be?
Post by: canyelk48 on June 04, 2010, 06:33:43 AM
Hmmm, interesting thought; wonder how that would pan out if I arrowed a T-bone steak, lol.Right. Bison, like cattle can be hunted as far as WDFW is concerned. The owners may have a problem with it.
So, the cattle left in the National Forest are legal to hunt if they are not removed when they are supose to be?
Post by: Bob33 on June 04, 2010, 07:00:11 AM
Legal in what sense? There is no game law against it. There is no game law against shooting a dog, either: same concept.Right. Bison, like cattle can be hunted as far as WDFW is concerned. The owners may have a problem with it.
So, the cattle left in the National Forest are legal to hunt if they are not removed when they are supose to be?
Post by: Shootmoore on June 04, 2010, 07:10:25 AM
Legal in what sense? There is no game law against it. There is no game law against shooting a dog, either: same concept.Right. Bison, like cattle can be hunted as far as WDFW is concerned. The owners may have a problem with it.
So, the cattle left in the National Forest are legal to hunt if they are not removed when they are supose to be?
It would fall under Theft of Livestock.
RCW 9A.56.083
Theft of livestock in the second degree.
(1) A person who commits what would otherwise be theft of livestock in the first degree but without intent to sell or exchange, and for the person's own use only, is guilty of theft of livestock in the second degree.
(2) Theft of livestock in the second degree is a class C felony.
It was a capital offense punishible by hanging to steal a horse in Washington State up till the early 1970's when the law was re-written. A class C felony is punishible up to 10 years in prison.
Shootmoore
Post by: gasman on June 04, 2010, 02:31:28 PM
I have ran across cows in the NF in the late archery season (Dec).
If they are required to have the cattle out of teh NF and do not, would that be considered abondonment? Especially when they are required to have them out by early Oct.
Dont mean to thread jack just curious about this. I could have filled my freezer a few times with the amount of cattle i have seen left behind :drool:
Post by: carpsniperg2 on June 04, 2010, 02:58:46 PM
Post by: Hangfire on June 04, 2010, 04:27:22 PM
I read some where in the past 5 years, there is supposed to be a very small group of pronghorn in the soap lake area.I was told or read, that there was a plan to put pronghorn in the Moses Lk. area, years ago, the irrigation project ruined that.
Two weeks ago while traveling through the Columbia gorge on the Oregon side, on high way 84. I told my wife that most of our relatives and friends that regularly travel that road, have at one time or another seen a pronghorn. We have traveled it a lot since 1976 and never seen one. Within 30 seconds she said theres one. It was about 250 yards from the road, between mile marker 144 and 145. She took a picture of it, which I don't know how to load on here. It appeared to be a 10-12 inch buck, decent prongs and heavy from the prong down.
Post by: colockumelk on June 07, 2010, 08:21:21 PM
There was a fairly good number of them on the YTC back in the 50's. They were wipped out by the military.
The Central Washington chapter of SCI spearheaded a reintrodution into the state 2 years ago. WDFW was on board at first. After they backed out SCI went to the Yakama tribe and they were all for it.
There would already be 100 pronghorn on the ground but the lack of weather hampered the capturing of them. They are coming from an area outside of Winnimucca NV. They needed more snow than they had for a safe capture. Then it got too late into the winter and they were worried about fawn survival. They will try again this winter.
Is the SCI that stupid. Within two years they will all have been shot. That tribe isn't really known for its proper game managment. Not trying to point fingers but that would be like replanting some Marijuana plants in the back yard of a Frat House. It's be smoked as fast as you could plant them. :chuckle:
Post by: Pathfinder101 on June 08, 2010, 06:44:10 AM
There was a fairly good number of them on the YTC back in the 50's. They were wipped out by the military.
The Central Washington chapter of SCI spearheaded a reintrodution into the state 2 years ago. WDFW was on board at first. After they backed out SCI went to the Yakama tribe and they were all for it.
There would already be 100 pronghorn on the ground but the lack of weather hampered the capturing of them. They are coming from an area outside of Winnimucca NV. They needed more snow than they had for a safe capture. Then it got too late into the winter and they were worried about fawn survival. They will try again this winter.
Is the SCI that stupid. Within two years they will all have been shot. That tribe isn't really known for its proper game managment. Not trying to point fingers but that would be like replanting some Marijuana plants in the back yard of a Frat House. It's be smoked as fast as you could plant them. :chuckle:
good point Colockum :chuckle: :chuckle:
Actually, I think YTC would be the ideal place for them. You could control access and poaching a lot easier than anyplace else, and you wouldn't have to worry about the ranchers and farmers pitching a fit (at least until they overpopulate and spill out of the training area...
Post by: colockumelk on June 09, 2010, 06:45:38 PM