Post by: WSU on June 10, 2010, 03:37:27 PM
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Post by: bobcat on June 10, 2010, 09:59:52 PM
I wouldn't set around waiting for them to call you. A buddy of mine turned in a couple guys for packing rifles in the Desert unit during general rifle deer. (there is no general rifle deer hunt in the Desert unit). That was in October and it took a year and a half to get his points. Had to threaten them with getting an attorney. The points are only good for deer and elk.
What is the law against having a rifle in the Desert unit? What if they were hunting coyotes?
Post by: bonecrusher on June 10, 2010, 10:02:06 PM
Post by: Bob33 on June 10, 2010, 10:04:06 PM
"deer or elk seasons: You may not hunt wildlife during any modern firearm deer or elk season, with any firearm 24 caliber or larger or containing slugs or buckshot for big game, unless you have a valid
license, permit and tag for one of the following: deer, elk, black bear, cougar, mountain goat,
bighorn sheep, or moose"
Post by: winston2789 on June 10, 2010, 10:06:39 PM
Post by: Bob33 on June 10, 2010, 10:08:47 PM
Wow thanks Bob, didn't know that. You sure do know everything, that makes sense thoughI didn't either until a few years ago. I accompanied a friend on a deer hunt and took my 30-06 along to hunt coyotes. I found out later it wasn't legal.
(And just think: you could have got 10 points for turning me in!)
Post by: carpsniperg2 on June 10, 2010, 10:09:11 PM
No you can't carry a rifle any time you want, at least not legally.
"deer or elk seasons: You may not hunt wildlife during any modern firearm deer or elk season, with any firearm 24 caliber or larger or containing slugs or buckshot for big game, unless you have a valid
license, permit and tag for one of the following: deer, elk, black bear, cougar, mountain goat,
bighorn sheep, or moose"
yep that is 100% right on.
Post by: bobcat on June 10, 2010, 10:14:47 PM
No you can't carry a rifle any time you want, at least not legally.
"deer or elk seasons: You may not hunt wildlife during any modern firearm deer or elk season, with any firearm 24 caliber or larger or containing slugs or buckshot for big game, unless you have a valid
license, permit and tag for one of the following: deer, elk, black bear, cougar, mountain goat,
bighorn sheep, or moose"
OK, yeah, I was aware of that rule, but how would you know what caliber rifle these guys were carrying?
Post by: carpsniperg2 on June 10, 2010, 10:16:43 PM
Post by: Bob33 on June 10, 2010, 10:23:57 PM
OK, yeah, I was aware of that rule, but how would you know what caliber rifle these guys were carrying?I would guess they would check the rifle barrel and the ammunition you have with you, but I'm not sure.
Post by: carpsniperg2 on June 10, 2010, 10:26:18 PM
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Post by: bobcat on June 10, 2010, 10:38:25 PM
i think he ment, how would the guy know to call the warden if he did not know the cal of the guns
Yes, that is what I meant.
What if they were bear or cougar hunting? :dunno:
Another good point. Just because you have a deer tag in your pack, along with your bear and cougar tag, does not prove that you were deer hunting.
Post by: bigtex on June 10, 2010, 10:43:31 PM
i think he ment, how would the guy know to call the warden if he did not know the cal of the guns
Yes, that is what I meant.What if they were bear or cougar hunting? :dunno:
Another good point. Just because you have a deer tag in your pack, along with your bear and cougar tag, does not prove that you were deer hunting.
In this case you want to make sure you leave the closed area tag (deer) at home. And defintely show the warden the open area tag. However there probably aren't too many bears in the desert area. A couple years ago when the White River unit for elk switched from general opener to permit only WDFW ran into alot of people who didnt know about the closure and suddenly changed their hunting approach from elk to bear/cougar when they were told of the closure for general season ;)
Post by: bobcat on June 10, 2010, 10:45:13 PM
Post by: bigtex on June 10, 2010, 10:46:57 PM
I would just leave the deer tag in my pack and only show the officer the bear and/or cougar tag. ;)
Well the WDFW Officer (Actually any law enforcement officer) could just simply search your pack, without a warrant...
Post by: carpsniperg2 on June 10, 2010, 10:47:50 PM
but if you have a coug or bear tag then it might be diffrent and i do not see how they could convict you unless they caught you shooting a deer or a dead deer in your possession
Post by: bobcat on June 10, 2010, 10:55:29 PM
I would just leave the deer tag in my pack and only show the officer the bear and/or cougar tag. ;)
Well the WDFW Officer (Actually any law enforcement officer) could just simply search your pack, without a warrant...
Even then, I'm not sure what it would prove if you had a deer tag in your possession. I keep all my tags and my license in a zip lock bag, and if I was hunting bears in an area that wasn't open for deer at that time, I wouldn't take the deer tag out and leave it at home. And you shouldn't have to. Having a deer tag in your possession does not mean you are deer hunting.
Post by: bigtex on June 10, 2010, 11:02:59 PM
I would just leave the deer tag in my pack and only show the officer the bear and/or cougar tag. ;)
Well the WDFW Officer (Actually any law enforcement officer) could just simply search your pack, without a warrant...
Even then, I'm not sure what it would prove if you had a deer tag in your possession. I keep all my tags and my license in a zip lock bag, and if I was hunting bears in an area that wasn't open for deer at that time, I wouldn't take the deer tag out and leave it at home. And you shouldn't have to. Having a deer tag in your possession does not mean you are deer hunting.
I completely agree with you and I do the same thing with all of my tags and licenses.
However in this case where somebody was hunting the Desert area which is only open for permit only deer, an officer/prosecutor could say that in 2008 (which is the latest year WDFW has game harvest reports published) no hunter harvested/killed a bear or cougar. The prosecutor/officer could even go to the point where they get a WDFW biologist to say that there are no populations of bear or cougar in the area. Now obviously most areas in the state do have bear or cougars with the exception of the Desert area and a couple units around it. The state big game hunting law says it is unlawful to hunt for (insert species) in a closed area. It doesn’t require you to have shot an animal. It all really depends on how much an officer/prosecutor wants to make an arrest/case out of the situation.
Post by: bobcat on June 10, 2010, 11:16:30 PM
Anyway, all I was really wondering is how a person would know that someone in the Desert unit was illegally hunting deer just because they were carrying a rifle. Yes, I suppose if they were wearing orange that would be a pretty good clue that they were hunting deer and not coyotes.
I'm not trying to argue, just like talking about all the technicalities. ;)
Post by: bigtex on June 10, 2010, 11:18:44 PM
I'm not trying to argue, just like talking about all the technicalities. ;)
Completely understand!
Post by: seth30 on June 11, 2010, 06:28:00 AM
Post by: jackelope on June 11, 2010, 08:13:28 AM
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deer or elk seasons: You may not hunt wildlife during any modern firearm deer or elk season, with any firearm 24 caliber or larger or containing slugs or buckshot for big game, unless you have a valid
license, permit and tag for one of the following: deer, elk, black bear, cougar, mountain goat,
bighorn sheep, or moose
so the way I read this is that you can't carry a rifle bigger than .24 caliber if you're hunting small game, coyotes, etc. You could however carry a .223 or a .204 and hunt coyotes. Who cares if you have a deer tag in your pocket. When I'm deer hunting, I have a steelhead catch card in my pocket too...doesn't mean I'm steelhead fishing.
I'm betting there's more to the story.
Post by: whacker1 on June 11, 2010, 08:23:18 AM
Quotedeer or elk seasons: You may not hunt wildlife during any modern firearm deer or elk season, with any firearm 24 caliber or larger or containing slugs or buckshot for big game, unless you have a valid
license, permit and tag for one of the following: deer, elk, black bear, cougar, mountain goat,
bighorn sheep, or moose
so the way I read this is that you can't carry a rifle bigger than .24 caliber if you're hunting small game, coyotes, etc. You could however carry a .223 or a .204 and hunt coyotes. Who cares if you have a deer tag in your pocket. When I'm deer hunting, I have a steelhead catch card in my pocket too...doesn't mean I'm steelhead fishing.
I'm betting there's more to the story.
You are correct. If hunting coyotes during and open deer season - you must have a varmint rifle below .24 caliber. Some Game wardens will write a hefty ticket for this. If I remember correctly it is $350 from others that I know that made the mistake.
Post by: runamuk on June 11, 2010, 08:28:30 AM
Post by: Bob33 on June 11, 2010, 08:43:02 AM
Wait are you telling me when I hunt I can only have the one tag on my person...are you frickin kidding me.....it does not say that in the regs does it? if so I missed itPage 72 of the 2010 Big Game Regulations. As for "only having the one tag", I'm not sure what you mean. If you are hunting in an area open for modern firearm or deer hunting, and you have a rifle that is legal for deer and elk (.24 caliber or larger), then you must have at least one tag with you for the following: deer, elk, black bear, cougar, mountain goat, sheep, or moose.
That means if you're coyote hunting with a legal deer or elk rifle, during modern deer or elk season, then you must have a valid big game tag with you.
Post by: runamuk on June 11, 2010, 08:52:33 AM
Wait are you telling me when I hunt I can only have the one tag on my person...are you frickin kidding me.....it does not say that in the regs does it? if so I missed itPage 72 of the 2010 Big Game Regulations. As for "only having the one tag", I'm not sure what you mean. If you are hunting in an area open for modern firearm or deer hunting, and you have a rifle that is legal for deer and elk (.24 caliber or larger), then you must have at least one tag with you for the following: deer, elk, black bear, cougar, mountain goat, sheep, or moose.
That means if you're coyote hunting with a legal deer or elk rifle, during modern deer or elk season, then you must have a valid big game tag with you.
what if I am simply out walking...not hunting at all...when did the game rules become the gun rules? I know people who own guns and dont hunt seriously this state is f'd up. Say I am one of those crazy triathalon people who does that thing with the running and the shooting and the skiing....and I have never hunted ever never even looked at the hunting regs and I am out training in an area open to hunting during the season but have no tags and do have my rifle for training purposes....then what?
I am serious because there are laws in this state that ordinary people have no idea exist because they really have no need to know if they aren't participating in the sport of hunting however according to interpretations on this site they are breaking laws they had no idea existed by partaking in another legal sport :bash: :bash: if it is this complicated I am probably going to just quit all of it..stick to shooting but now I dont think I can go in the woods with my guns simply to kill stumps without game tags even if I have no intention of going after game....
Post by: jackelope on June 11, 2010, 08:57:03 AM
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Say I am one of those crazy triathalon people who does that thing with the running and the shooting and the skiing....
Biathlons are done with .22LR's.
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Page 72 of the 2010 Big Game Regulations. As for "only having the one tag", I'm not sure what you mean. If you are hunting in an area open for modern firearm or deer hunting, and you have a rifle that is legal for deer and elk (.24 caliber or larger), then you must have at least one tag with you for the following: deer, elk, black bear, cougar, mountain goat, sheep, or moose.
maybe if you're not hunting, then you're ok. Methinks you're gonna have a hard time if someone sees you walking around with a rifle in the woods during deer season and no tags.
Maybe you should put a backpack on for weight instead of the rifle. Save yourself some potential trouble or inconvenience.
Post by: runamuk on June 11, 2010, 09:04:25 AM
QuoteSay I am one of those crazy triathalon people who does that thing with the running and the shooting and the skiing....
Biathlons are done with .22LR's.QuotePage 72 of the 2010 Big Game Regulations. As for "only having the one tag", I'm not sure what you mean. If you are hunting in an area open for modern firearm or deer hunting, and you have a rifle that is legal for deer and elk (.24 caliber or larger), then you must have at least one tag with you for the following: deer, elk, black bear, cougar, mountain goat, sheep, or moose.
maybe if you're not hunting, then you're ok. Methinks you're gonna have a hard time if someone sees you walking around with a rifle in the woods during deer season and no tags.
Maybe you should put a backpack on for weight instead of the rifle. Save yourself some potential trouble or inconvenience.
what if I didn't know.....look I didn't know crap about any of these rules 3 years or so ago and thats because I hated guns and hated hunting and wanted nothing to do with any of it so I didn't need to know any of it. Do you know all the rules of sailing, and skiing and golf and motocross and eventing and polo and and and if you do not partake in those sports?
for the record for my body carrying a rifle all day is nothing like carrying a pack it sits different the weight is in a different place and causes pain in a different way than my pack does my nerve damage flares differently and the only way for me to get used to it is to carry the dang thing......
and because I do not participate in biathalons I know nothing.....so do they need a small game license to carry that when small game season is open? seriously I wonder about this because the way it sounds carrying rifles require that you have game licenses
Post by: bobcat on June 11, 2010, 09:10:47 AM
Post by: bonecrusher on June 11, 2010, 09:13:03 AM
No you can't carry a rifle any time you want, at least not legally.
"deer or elk seasons: You may not hunt wildlife during any modern firearm deer or elk season, with any firearm 24 caliber or larger or containing slugs or buckshot for big game, unless you have a valid
license, permit and tag for one of the following: deer, elk, black bear, cougar, mountain goat,
bighorn sheep, or moose"
it says you may not "hunt" it does not say you may not have a rifle. you would have to prove they are hunting. granted you probably could but you could also have it for self defence on your nature walk. I'm not defending poachers here I'm just saying unless its a "guns free" park or wilderness of some sort the second amendment still applies. :twocents:
Post by: whacker1 on June 11, 2010, 09:13:19 AM
You can carry a gun in the woods anytime you like, for any reason. You just can't be hunting with it, unless it is season and you have the proper license/tags. The right to possess firearms is guaranteed by the 2nd Amendment of the Constitution, and the WDFW cannot take that right away. I'm not sure how the state would prove you were hunting, if you didn't actually shoot something. If you have a gun and are contacted by a game warden, simply tell him you are not hunting. In reality it's likely a situation that will never come up.
Believable when carrying a sidearm(pistol), but not a rifle.
I also believe this changes when you carry a hunting license (purchase one) and a legal hunting season is going on.
Post by: bonecrusher on June 11, 2010, 09:14:47 AM
Post by: bonecrusher on June 11, 2010, 09:15:49 AM
You can carry a gun in the woods anytime you like, for any reason. You just can't be hunting with it, unless it is season and you have the proper license/tags. The right to possess firearms is guaranteed by the 2nd Amendment of the Constitution, and the WDFW cannot take that right away. I'm not sure how the state would prove you were hunting, if you didn't actually shoot something. If you have a gun and are contacted by a game warden, simply tell him you are not hunting. In reality it's likely a situation that will never come up.
Believable when carrying a sidearm(pistol), but not a rifle.
I also believe this changes when you carry a hunting license (purchase one) and a legal hunting season is going on.
second amendment doesn't specify what type of fire arm you have a right to.
Post by: bobcat on June 11, 2010, 09:18:11 AM
Believable when carrying a sidearm(pistol), but not a rifle.
I also believe this changes when you carry a hunting license (purchase one) and a legal hunting season is going on.
What if someone only owns a rifle, and likes to go for hikes in the woods, but wants protection from bears, cougars, humans, etc?
Post by: runamuk on June 11, 2010, 09:19:07 AM
You can carry a gun in the woods anytime you like, for any reason. You just can't be hunting with it, unless it is season and you have the proper license/tags. The right to possess firearms is guaranteed by the 2nd Amendment of the Constitution, and the WDFW cannot take that right away. I'm not sure how the state would prove you were hunting, if you didn't actually shoot something. If you have a gun and are contacted by a game warden, simply tell him you are not hunting. In reality it's likely a situation that will never come up.
true seeing as I have only run into a game warden once in the woods and that was driving out and otherwise mainly see them at the office ..
but what I was getting at is the way its talked about here if you are carrying a rifle in the woods it is apparently assumed you are hunting so it is assumed you are poaching if you dont have the requisite tags. I used to wear orange when riding my horse during hunting season did that make me a hunter :dunno: no I did it so myself and my horse wouldn't get shot at......a friend I rode with carried a rilfle and wasn't hunting and another carried a sidearm mostly for defense and in case there was a need to put a horse down. The only time we cared about hunting season was deer and elk the horses through the trees can look similar to a person all hopped up on adrenaline so we wore orange never even thought about it until now..... :dunno:
Post by: Bob33 on June 11, 2010, 09:21:23 AM
Also, remember that the definition of "hunt" is rather broad. You can even "hunt" without a rifle: "To hunt: Any effort to kill, capture, injure, or harass a wild animal or wild bird."
Post by: benhuntin on June 11, 2010, 09:23:22 AM
Post by: benhuntin on June 11, 2010, 09:24:41 AM
If you're out shooting targets I doubt you would be cited. If you've got binoculars around your neck, have a rifle and ammo etc. then you are likely to be cited. It would then be up to you to go to court and prove you were not hunting.It is up to them to prove you were hunting not the other way around.
Also, remember that the definition of "hunt" is rather broad. You can even "hunt" without a rifle: "To hunt: Any effort to kill, capture, injure, or harass a wild animal or wild bird."
Post by: Bob33 on June 11, 2010, 09:27:02 AM
Post by: benhuntin on June 11, 2010, 09:30:23 AM
Post by: Bob33 on June 11, 2010, 09:32:00 AM
Post by: runamuk on June 11, 2010, 09:34:11 AM
"then you are likely to be cited. It would then be up to you to go to court and prove you were not hunting."
and this boys and girls is what is completely wrong with this country...we are guilty until we prove our innocence ....sad what has happened to America....
Post by: benhuntin on June 11, 2010, 09:37:43 AM
Post by: Bob33 on June 11, 2010, 09:39:21 AM
Post by: benhuntin on June 11, 2010, 09:42:22 AM
Post by: bonecrusher on June 11, 2010, 09:57:44 AM
Post by: bonecrusher on June 11, 2010, 09:58:50 AM
I wouldn't set around waiting for them to call you. A buddy of mine turned in a couple guys for packing rifles in the Desert unit during general rifle deer. (there is no general rifle deer hunt in the Desert unit). That was in October and it took a year and a half to get his points. Had to threaten them with getting an attorney. The points are only good for deer and elk.
sorry did your buddy get points in this fashion? conviction or not
Post by: DaveBTS on June 11, 2010, 10:18:23 AM
Post by: WSU on June 11, 2010, 10:32:20 AM
(not all - let's not highjack this thread).
I think the thread has long since been hijacked!
Post by: runamuk on June 11, 2010, 10:50:33 AM
(not all - let's not highjack this thread).
I think the thread has long since been hijacked!
how is determining what constitutes a poacher or perceived poacher hijacking a thread asking about turning in poachers for rewards?
I dont care about the reward if I see someone with my own eyes illegally kill game or fish I would turn it in.....if I see someone walking with a rifle its none of my business what they are doing and I am not going to turn someone in based on a guess.
Post by: WSU on June 11, 2010, 10:55:05 AM
(not all - let's not highjack this thread).
I think the thread has long since been hijacked!
how is determining what constitutes a poacher or perceived poacher hijacking a thread asking about turning in poachers for rewards?
I dont care about the reward if I see someone with my own eyes illegally kill game or fish I would turn it in.....if I see someone walking with a rifle its none of my business what they are doing and I am not going to turn someone in based on a guess.
Here is my first sentence: "How does the process work." I was not asking what people's interpretation of the regulations regarding carrying a centerfire rifle during deer season is. That said, I don't mind if the thread gets hijacked. That's how it works in the internet world. I just thought it was a little funny, that's all.
Post by: WSU on June 11, 2010, 10:55:36 AM
Post by: bobcat on June 11, 2010, 10:56:51 AM
We've got to have something to discuss on here. :)
Post by: runamuk on June 11, 2010, 10:59:53 AM
And see, I just hijacked my own thread!
I look often more at titles of threads as what the topic is about ;) if that line isn't interesting they often dont even get opened ;)
and actually this discussion is more interesting than debating the merits of beating up movie actors and annoying purple dinosaurs.....
Post by: WSU on June 11, 2010, 11:35:47 AM
If it didn't get somewhat hijacked, this thread would be dead by now. So what's the harm?
We've got to have something to discuss on here. :)
Definitely no harm!
Post by: Bob33 on June 11, 2010, 12:17:12 PM
If it didn't get somewhat hijacked, this thread would be dead by now. So what's the harm?"Hey - does anyone know about the new special permit process? I just read about it..."
We've got to have something to discuss on here. :)
"I just checked the backdoor and results say "draw not run" - what does that mean?"
"Does anyone know the name of that poacher?"
"Did they find Natalie Holloway's murderer yet"?
"I think a 30-06 beats a 300 Magnum, hands down!"
:chuckle: :jacked: :chuckle:
Post by: bobcat on June 11, 2010, 12:26:58 PM
"Did they find Natalie Holloway's murderer yet"?
Yes, he's in jail in Peru for the murder of another girl:
http://www.comcast.net/articles/news-general/20100609/Van.der.Sloot/?cid=hero_side1 (http://www.comcast.net/articles/news-general/20100609/Van.der.Sloot/?cid=hero_side1)
Hijack complete. :chuckle:
Post by: nwhunter on June 11, 2010, 11:34:47 PM