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Title: .38 long colt
Post by: hookr88 on July 01, 2010, 01:59:52 PM
I haven't seen this question yet. Can you shoot .38 short colt and/ or long colt in a .357?
Title: Re: .38 long colt
Post by: woodswalker on July 01, 2010, 02:36:56 PM
Yes you can...but a few caviats....you will need to clean the chambers well to remove lube and powder residue build up bef roe you go back to .357s or .38 Specials.

From Wiki:
The .38 short colt was originally a heeled bullet cartridge intended for cartridge conversions of the .36 cal cap & ball revolvers from the American Civil War-era.

The .38 Long Colt is a cartridge introduced by Colt's Manufacturing Company in 1875. It is slightly more potent than its predecessor, the .38 Short Colt, or .38 SC. It is also known as simply the .38 LC. The .38 SC and LC differ in case length and in bullet diameter, weight and design.

The .38 Short Colt used a heeled bullet of 130 grains (8.4 g) at a nominal 770 ft/s (235 m/s) producing 171 ft·lbf (232 J) of muzzle energy. The cylindrical "shank" or "bearing surface" of the bullet, just in front of the cartridge case mouth, is .374 or .375 inches (9.50 or 9.52 mm) in diameter, the same as the cartridge case (exactly like the .22 rimfire cartridges). A smaller-diameter portion of the bullet, the "heel," is crimped inside the case mouth, and the lubricant is outside the case, and exposed. This came about as a way to convert cap-and-ball .36 caliber Navy revolvers, which had cylindrical or single-diameter "charge holes," or firing chambers, into cartridge arms.

The .38 LC uses a .357–.358-inch (9.07–9.09 mm) bullet, the bearing surface and lubricant of which are entirely contained within the cartridge case. This keeps the waxy lubricant from collecting grit which can damage the revolver's barrel. Unfortunately Colt retained the single-diameter charge hole, so the bullet was grossly undersize as it travelled through the chamber throat. It was supposed to expand in the throat and be "swaged down," or reduced again in diameter, as it entered the barrel, but expanded unevenly producing poor accuracy. Velocity was the same 770 ft/s (235 m/s), but bullets weighed 150 grains (9.7 g).

The United States Army adopted the .38 Long Colt in 1892 and it remained in service until 1911, when the military adopted the .45 ACP and the M1911 autoloading pistol. The .38 LC develops an anemic muzzle energy (by modern day standards) of 198 ft·lbf (268 J). These poor ballistics were highlighted during the Philippine-American War of 1899-1902. As an emergency response to the round's unexpectedly dismal performance against the Moro tribesmen in the Philippines, the Army re-adopted 1873 Colt "Peacemaker" revolvers. These weapons were chambered for .45 Colt cartridges, which are much more powerful. (Indeed, the ballistic profile of those cartridges would later be emulated by the .45 ACP round.)

Currently, the .38 Long Colt is manufactured in California by a company called Ten-X Ammunition. They offer two loads, one with a smokeless powder and one with a black powder substitute. They use a .357 inch bullet with 150 grains - it has a hollow base and a flat point. These modern recreations are much more accurate than the original cartridges.

There is no problem firing this cartridge in .357 revolvers, but the long bullet jump makes accuracy difficult.

For reloaders, this is a useful cartridge to make squib loads and train novice shooters. It can be loaded down to 400–500 ft/s range, giving it the noise and recoil of a .22.

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