Post by: addicted on July 12, 2010, 11:35:51 AM
Post by: MuleySniper on July 12, 2010, 11:44:12 AM
Post by: addicted on July 12, 2010, 11:45:34 AM
Toyota does. I know Dodge offered them on the powerwagon not sure if they still do. They are electronic. If you want lockers and money is not an option go arb. If you want to save a few bucks just pit a lockrite or a Detroit in the rear. :twocents:
i was definately considering the lockrights. they came highly recomended. i was also looking at the new ones from powertrax, the No-Slip model. :drool:
Post by: yakimarcher on July 12, 2010, 11:49:08 AM
Post by: MuleySniper on July 12, 2010, 11:50:10 AM
MS
Post by: FC on July 12, 2010, 11:57:22 AM
The really fun ones were when people would come in complaining of a weird noise and I would take it out of 4x4 and put it in 2x, they would then come back complaining of a lack of power or that they were just spinning their tires everywhere they went. Telling people to try not taking off with their foot to the floor every time as a fix was hilarious and some of these dummies put their trucks back into 4x4 (they really showed me there) and then whined about their gas mileage and then a while afterward that there was this ugly growling sound coming from under the truck during acceleration with a nice howling sound while cruising.
I can't imagine how bad the warranty complaints would be, Americans as a whole feel pretty entitled and will take their shiny new toy out and abuse the snot out of it, after it breaks they will take it back where they got it and instead of telling the nice man who sold it to them that they are too stupid to own it, the blame gets laid on a faulty product...Can you imagine all these pea brains trying to drive in the snow with all four truly locked in?
Post by: deerslyr on July 12, 2010, 12:13:04 PM
Post by: JackOfAllTrades on July 12, 2010, 12:14:37 PM
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Because most people are four-wheel-drive retarded as it is!
OMG! How friggin true!
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Can you imagine all these pea brains trying to drive in the snow with all four truly locked in?
Yeah! Describing 'push steer' to a soccer mom is a real challenge in life.
-Steve
Post by: FC on July 12, 2010, 12:19:56 PM
Post by: addicted on July 12, 2010, 12:32:15 PM
i love seeing minivans and miata's in the ditch, another californian bites the dust lol
Post by: jeepasaurusrex on July 12, 2010, 12:39:55 PM
Find you a set of axles out of a Rubicon and swap them underneath. They come with lockers from the factory and are much stronger than what is under there now.
One big factor in offroad situations a lot of people overlook, is tires. A good mud terrain tire will be a good all around tire. I run BFG Mud Terrain KM's on my CJ7 and have had great luck with them. In the snow I air down to about 8lbs and it goes everywhere. Airing down in the snow is a huge factor. A rock hard tire will not get traction.
Beings this is your daily driver and sees a lot of pavement, I would really look into a selectable locker. They are transparent on the street, but fully locked when you need them. Worth the extra $$$ if you ask me.
Since my CJ is mainly an offroad rig, I run a spool in the rear and a Lockrite in the front. :twocents:
Post by: high country on July 12, 2010, 12:51:04 PM
I know why mfr's like clutch type traction control.
Post by: jeepasaurusrex on July 12, 2010, 01:39:45 PM
Post by: gasman on July 12, 2010, 05:14:30 PM
But i would spend the coin on a ARB if i had it :tup:
Post by: Bofire on July 12, 2010, 05:15:43 PM
and high country makes some good points,
Carl
Post by: dad98684 on July 13, 2010, 08:44:20 AM
Why dont trucks come with lockers from the factory? instead of this limited slip BS. Seems like they could make some money if they had it as an option :dunno:
maybe i missed it, but what kind of rig are you wanting to lock? do you tow with it? what do you use it for?
i have used and installed a few different lockers in my trail rig. the ausi and lock right are pretty much the same, the down side is the springs will wear out and leave you hanging. the noslip is smoother then either of those for road manners, but it is still basically the same unit. a Detroit is a bit harsher for street use, very noise and feels clunky, but very tough. if you have the money a selectable is the way to go. if you choose selectable or a Detroit you will need to have your gears set up again witch is a cost. the lunch box lockers can be installed at home easily.
i have been running a lock right in the front and a spool in the back for the last 4 years, but i don't drive the road much any more with it and i will be changing the springs in my lock right soon.
Post by: addicted on July 13, 2010, 11:36:56 AM
I know i'm not going to get a lot of articulation out of it if i ever want to do anything serious with it(unless i put 10 grand into it with 14 inches of lift) so what ever tires will be touching the ground, i want turning.
It may be a crack dream as of this moment but i'm looking at a KOR 2.75 inch lift and 31x10.50 AT's. it will put me right around a grand.(not including lockers which look like $250 a piece. aussie) Much bigger than that doesnt seem to agree with the Dana30 or the tranny that come on the rig and i wont be spending the cash to put bigger diff's on there. The set up i have in mind does seem to be functional.
wife made me grow up and buy a sissy jeep. i miss my yj. for the same grand i probably could have put 6 inches of lift on it. :'(
Post by: jeepasaurusrex on July 13, 2010, 01:33:13 PM
Being it is full time 4wd, I would look even harder at selectable lockers.
Post by: Alchase on July 13, 2010, 02:13:49 PM
I did my spring over lift (5.5") for around $60 in parts. :chuckle:
Being it is full time 4wd, I would look even harder at selectable lockers.
I agree a good articulating suspension won't cost anywhere near 10k. Look at teraflex, Dusty's etc....
"Quadra-Drive II consists of the New Venture Gear NV245 transfer case mated to front and rear electronic limited slip differential. It includes a Neutral mode and utilizes a 2.72 reduction gear ratio in low-range."
You already have limited slip, both front and rear. Getting a "compatible" selectable locker for the rear would be a good option. Any more then that you will loose your day to day drivability. Lots of guys in my Jeep group ran nothing but Limited Slips and did just fine.
If you want a wheeling maching lock that puppy up front and rear, lol
Post by: high country on July 13, 2010, 03:13:55 PM
Post by: gasman on July 13, 2010, 03:24:07 PM
Again, selectable is the way to go of a daily driver, but dont forget, depending on wich locker you go with, you will need to replace the carrier. Even the racheting lockers will not work with a limited slip carrier, you will need to buy a open carrier to install ther locker.
And i know plenty of guys that use Cherokee's as there wheeling rig and daily driver. Used to work with a guy who used Aussie lockers fron and back and drove his rig work every day in an 04 limited. He is teh one that turned me to teh Aussie Locker.
And for the Aussie locker, North Ridge 4x4 is the only one in WA (located in Bremerton and shipped to your door) that sells them, or they were last time i bought one.
Post by: addicted on July 24, 2010, 03:30:59 AM
anyone ever do electric lockers?
Post by: addicted on July 24, 2010, 12:03:25 PM
i was really starting to bank on that one too because it said it maintains a limited slip while not engaged. Do any of the other selectable lockers do this? Things were so much simpler with my YJ.
Post by: dontgetcrabs on July 24, 2010, 01:12:30 PM
Post by: norsepeak on July 24, 2010, 01:48:12 PM
Post by: timberghost72 on July 24, 2010, 06:28:25 PM
Talk with Ron at http://store.4wheelingplus.com/ (http://store.4wheelingplus.com/) see what he can do for you. Good prices, out of Ellensberg and a nice guy.
Again, selectable is the way to go of a daily driver, but dont forget, depending on wich locker you go with, you will need to replace the carrier. Even the racheting lockers will not work with a limited slip carrier, you will need to buy a open carrier to install ther locker.
And i know plenty of guys that use Cherokee's as there wheeling rig and daily driver. Used to work with a guy who used Aussie lockers fron and back and drove his rig work every day in an 04 limited. He is teh one that turned me to teh Aussie Locker.
And for the Aussie locker, North Ridge 4x4 is the only one in WA (located in Bremerton and shipped to your door) that sells them, or they were last time i bought one.
X2 for the Aussie locker. Its inexpensive but not lacking in quality. I have it just in the rear of my Wrangler dana 44 and have not had any problems with it. I bought it from Northridge 4X4 too. Those guys are awesome to deal with.
Post by: addicted on July 25, 2010, 08:01:36 AM
Post by: Alchase on July 26, 2010, 12:28:58 PM
If you are building a off road rig, then I would beef those up, otherwise I would not worry about it.
I would suggest you get a "good set of rock rails" though. I have seen many Cherokees do serious frame damage by not protecting the sides with rock rails. This is by far the most common serious damage location.
Wilderness Rock Rails, makes some excellent (and good looking) sliders/rock rails, plus they give you a huge location to use your High Lift jack when you do get stuck.
Post by: addicted on July 26, 2010, 11:15:13 PM
if you said that the dana 35c has a slim to no chance of blowing up on me while locked under the same circumstances mention(33's or smaller) then problem solved, I lock the back with the ected. :chuckle:
I've definately been looking at the rock rails/sliders. the cherokee is like seal, gonna have to slide on my belly over everything. :chuckle:
Post by: JackOfAllTrades on July 27, 2010, 07:42:29 AM
-Steve
Post by: addicted on July 28, 2010, 12:43:19 AM
I know its not what you're considering, but I've never busted a Detroit Locker. Twisted the snot out of several axel ends in a front Dana 44 that was locked up though. I set up a TracLok years ago in a Dana 60 that snapped two axels on different occasions. Just be warned if you do lock things up, there is more chance of breaking something if you all the sudden get traction, or if you use too much snap throttle when in low gear.
-Steve
yeah, i'm figuring that out as a i go. just dont tell my wife so i still get new toys ;)
Post by: coachcw on July 29, 2010, 09:22:59 PM