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Title: What to hold out for in the Margaret
Post by: huntaddict on July 30, 2010, 08:46:29 AM: I am wondering what some of you guys that know the Margaret well, would hold out for with my tag.I have read old posts and know that for the late rifle tag it doesn't sound like you would want to hold out for much more than a 5 point. But I am wondering what would be reasonable for september 20 to the 24 with a rifle. I have been scouting and so far I have only seen rag horns and two 5's that are mature. Also if anyone has pictures of Margaret bulls I would like to see them.

Thanks
Title: Re: What to hold out for in the Margaret
Post by: Bob33 on July 30, 2010, 09:06:11 AM: From my research, a 280 class bull would be a shooter.

What are you planning to do with the animal: mount it or just take pictures?

What is the largest elk you have killed to date? If you’ve already killed a 350 class bull, why shoot a 280? If you’ve never killed an elk, a 280 class bull would look great on a wall.

Only you can decide what you would be satisifed with. Are you willing to eat the tag if you don't see a 320+ class bull?
Title: Re: What to hold out for in the Margaret
Post by: huntaddict on July 30, 2010, 09:47:13 AM: Yeah get all that. At the end of the day a guy has to shoot what he is happy with if that's a rag horn or a 320 bull it's up to the guy with the tag to decide what a trophy is. I was just looking for others opion on what kind of bulls the unit hold.
Title: Re: What to hold out for in the Margaret
Post by: MADMAX on July 30, 2010, 10:00:35 AM: I shot a real nice 5 pt when I had my AHE tag up there a few years back.
I scouted all summer and saw some really nice bulls, when the season rolled around the smaller raghorns were all I saw.
The bull I shot was a heavy and symetrical herd bull that had 5 or 6 cows.
I took a bunch of crap for shooting a 5x5 but he is still the biggest bull anyone in my group has killed in WA.
Try Marata creek go in on MT bikes veer left on a the uphill mainline rd and head up the hill to you see a big big canyon at a 3 way intersection.
Years back I watched 16 bulls herded together up there and shot video of them, the biggest was 7x7 smallest was a 5x5, I'm sure there are still nice bulls in there but its getting pretty thick now.
IMHO, shoot the first bull that gives you a wow factor.
Title: Re: What to hold out for in the Margaret
Post by: julzzz on July 30, 2010, 12:07:41 PM: Had margret permit last year pm sent
Title: Re: What to hold out for in the Margaret
Post by: Skyvalhunter on July 30, 2010, 12:20:11 PM: Hold out for a 7 X 8!!
Title: Re: What to hold out for in the Margaret
Post by: huntaddict on July 30, 2010, 01:25:46 PM: If I'm going to do that then I might as well make it an 8x8!!! I think I should have titled this post (what's a good sized bull for the Margaret Unit).My bad.
Title: Re: What to hold out for in the Margaret
Post by: guardian on July 30, 2010, 02:37:10 PM: Quote from: MADMAX on July 30, 2010, 10:00:35 AM
Try Marata creek go in on MT bikes veer left on a the uphill mainline rd and head up the hill to you see a big big canyon at a 3 way intersection.
Years back I watched 16 bulls herded together up there and shot video of them, the biggest was 7x7 smallest was a 5x5, I'm sure there are still nice bulls in there but its getting pretty thick now.
IMHO, shoot the first bull that gives you a wow factor.
This Marata Crk area has been sold. New gates with no tresspassing, no hunting signs on them as of last week. Bummer no access from there to the high lakes.
Title: Re: What to hold out for in the Margaret
Post by: Elkhound on July 30, 2010, 05:05:21 PM: Quote from: guardian on July 30, 2010, 02:37:10 PM
Quote from: MADMAX on July 30, 2010, 10:00:35 AM
Try Marata creek go in on MT bikes veer left on a the uphill mainline rd and head up the hill to you see a big big canyon at a 3 way intersection.
Years back I watched 16 bulls herded together up there and shot video of them, the biggest was 7x7 smallest was a 5x5, I'm sure there are still nice bulls in there but its getting pretty thick now.
IMHO, shoot the first bull that gives you a wow factor.
This Marata Crk area has been sold. New gates with no tresspassing, no hunting signs on them as of last week. Bummer no access from there to the high lakes.

What would be the best way to access the high lakes area now that Marrata Creek area is private?
Title: Re: What to hold out for in the Margaret
Post by: HornPorn on July 30, 2010, 10:20:21 PM: Quote from: julzzz on July 30, 2010, 12:07:41 PM
Had Margaret permit last year pm sent

julzzz, How did you do in there last year?
Title: Re: What to hold out for in the Margaret
Post by: Cylvertip on July 31, 2010, 10:05:16 AM: Also look along the border to the Winston Crk unit, from where the 1110 ( if I remember the right road ) crosses the green down stream. If Winston is open during early archery ( fire danger issue) then some of the big boys will push over into the border area. We have run into some really big bulls along the green. I'm thinking you should be able to find a bull in the high 200's at least. The north side of the Margaret used to look like a freakin barn yard with all of the elk sign in there.
Title: Re: What to hold out for in the Margaret
Post by: Bigshooter on July 31, 2010, 06:38:55 PM: I use to spend a ton of time in the Margaret in the summer and in september looking at elk. If I had your tag I would hold out for a 6x6 in the 280" range. I can count on one hand how many bulls over 300" I have seen in that unit. If score doesn't matter you can see some huge old bulls with 8 or 9 points aside that won't score for crap because the longest points will be his eye gaurds and they will only be 10-12 inches long and all the other points will be 8 inches or less long. But those kind of bulls will have a ton of mass and they look real cool.
Make sure you take pics and posted them.
Good luck.
Title: Re: What to hold out for in the Margaret
Post by: DaveBTS on August 01, 2010, 02:44:02 PM: Instead of going up the hill to the left, drop down to the right. There's a "nasty" bull that lives in the bottom of canyon. Also a 150" deer.
Title: Re: What to hold out for in the Margaret
Post by: Cascade_Sherpa on August 12, 2010, 02:46:08 PM: A 300 Class bull in the Margaret Unit is very rare these days, I agree with the above post that 280 is a reasonable goal to shoot for if you want to put in the time scouting and hiking.
Title: Re: What to hold out for in the Margaret
Post by: SkookumHntr on August 12, 2010, 03:10:20 PM: -Your going to have a awesome hunt, Get a nice 6x6 and post up some pics :drool:
Title: Re: What to hold out for in the Margaret
Post by: heavy hauler on August 14, 2010, 09:33:41 PM: rifle rut hunt, myself i would say 300+ or tons of points or character. i have seen all of the above there :twocents:
Title: Re: What to hold out for in the Margaret
Post by: nontypical176 on August 14, 2010, 11:03:11 PM: Do the right thing and shoot a spike.....with eye guards.....and hoof rot. Or a rag horn with one side busted off. Should be pretty good eating. You can always draw that tag again in 20 years or so. A buddy and I seen several big bulls up there after last season, a couple monsters, but you probably don't want to hold out for one of them. The meat would be all tuff and you would have to dust off the head mount for the rest of your life, what a pain. I'm sure you'll have a fun hunt, good luck.
Title: Re: What to hold out for in the Margaret
Post by: River on August 15, 2010, 12:26:41 AM: Quote from: nontypical176 on August 14, 2010, 11:03:11 PM
Do the right thing and shoot a spike.....with eye guards.....and hoof rot. Or a rag horn with one side busted off. Should be pretty good eating. You can always draw that tag again in 20 years or so. A buddy and I seen several big bulls up there after last season, a couple monsters, but you probably don't want to hold out for one of them. The meat would be all tuff and you would have to dust off the head mount for the rest of your life, what a pain. I'm sure you'll have a fun hunt, good luck.
Funny.
Title: Re: What to hold out for in the Margaret
Post by: huntaddict on August 16, 2010, 12:07:47 PM: Do the right thing and shoot a spike.....with eye guards.....and hoof rot. Or a rag horn with one side busted off. Should be pretty good eating. You can always draw that tag again in 20 years or so. A buddy and I seen several big bulls up there after last season, a couple monsters, but you probably don't want to hold out for one of them. The meat would be all tuff and you would have to dust off the head mount for the rest of your life, what a pain. I'm sure you'll have a fun hunt, good luck.

Sweet advice I've been so focused on getting a bigger bull I never thought of shooting a bull with hoof rot and a messed up rack. My wife will side with you, she was worring about me installing a bull in the living room. It is also nice to not have the pressure that comes with trying to get a big bull. :chuckle:
Title: Re: What to hold out for in the Margaret
Post by: nwhunter on August 16, 2010, 10:51:48 PM: Hopefully you can judge a bull better than you can measure a window opening!! I am sure you will know when you are looking through your scope at the unquestionable bull that you have been daydreaming about for 2 months that its THE ONE! nwhunter
Title: Re: What to hold out for in the Margaret
Post by: Hunter Dug on August 17, 2010, 07:17:31 AM: I drew the Toutle tag archery, and I dont know about you but if its brown with bone its down. I myself have trouble looking at a good oppurtunity just walk away. Plus the rags in both the Margaret and Toutle far out way the good bulls. Just have fun and shot what you want to shot but just remember you waited how many years to draw the tag and only have how many days to fill the tag. :twocents:
Title: Re: What to hold out for in the Margaret
Post by: nwhunter on September 15, 2010, 10:24:55 PM: Its getting close to tee time Shaneo!!! Good luck and I expect a pic on my phone before we get back from N Mexico! I don't care what it scores as long as it is massively heavy. You can kill a bull on the last nite with a rifle in there so be patient. Oh and remember stay calm, big breath and let it out and SQUEEZE the trigger. Go get em nwhunter
Title: Re: What to hold out for in the Margaret
Post by: jstamp on September 16, 2010, 01:09:34 AM: Quote from: Bigshooter on July 31, 2010, 06:38:55 PM
I use to spend a ton of time in the Margaret in the summer and in september looking at elk. If I had your tag I would hold out for a 6x6 in the 280" range. I can count on one hand how many bulls over 300" I have seen in that unit. If score doesn't matter you can see some huge old bulls with 8 or 9 points aside that won't score for crap because the longest points will be his eye gaurds and they will only be 10-12 inches long and all the other points will be 8 inches or less long. But those kind of bulls will have a ton of mass and they look real cool.
Make sure you take pics and posted them.
Good luck.
same thing. don't hold out for 300" because you probably won't see one. myself and bigshooter have been in there for years, and i have only seen a few bulls that would go over 300" and that was a long time ago. good luck and good hunting! ;)
Title: Re: What to hold out for in the Margaret
Post by: huntaddict on September 16, 2010, 05:13:15 AM: Thanks Scott. I'm hoping to send you a phone picture that is a little more impresive then the white tail buck a couple weekends ago. Make sure you get good video of the bulls in NM. Tell Jeff not to hesitate on the biggness. :chuckle:
Title: Re: What to hold out for in the Margaret
Post by: bucklucky on September 16, 2010, 09:32:38 AM: Wow, it is getting close for you! Good luck man!
Title: Re: What to hold out for in the Margaret
Post by: Trailstrider on September 22, 2010, 08:25:01 PM: Try miners creek on the East boundry or smith? sholtz? creek just north of coldwater ridge.(it drains into the green river) My son took a 5x5 two years ago that missed book by 1 1/8 inch. We saw good shooters every day out but the most impressive was the one he let walk away due to the fact that the Highway was directly in line with his shot! very proud of him considering he was 13 at the time. I would say if its a nice 5x5 take him but bigger Bulls are there if you look!
Have a great hunt!
Title: Re: What to hold out for in the Margaret
Post by: lokidog on September 22, 2010, 08:57:17 PM: Here are two Margaret bulls, first is mine, second is one that I pushed past this lucky guy. Lots of them like mine, only a few like his. Hope you are having good luck.
Title: Re: What to hold out for in the Margaret
Post by: dewandgin on September 24, 2010, 09:16:05 PM: Very nice elk ;)
Title: Re: What to hold out for in the Margaret
Post by: HntnFsh on September 25, 2010, 06:55:14 AM: Lokidog,

Rons a good guy.That hunts like hell.I remember when he got that elk.Its a dandy. Hes gotten some more good ones since then. Bet you had a ton of fun up there.I know my kid and I did when we drew the ml tags a few years ago.
Title: Re: What to hold out for in the Margaret
Post by: lokidog on September 25, 2010, 11:41:48 AM: Hntnfsh, I was kind of wondering if anyone here knew him. I didn't even know his name as I just ran into him and his buddies out there. That was one heck of an elk. I'd be curious to know what that thing weighed....
Title: Re: What to hold out for in the Margaret
Post by: JoeVon on September 25, 2010, 11:54:40 AM: I'd like to know where that crown bull ended up dieing, as I've got a shed that looks exactly like it, only maybe a tad bigger.
Title: Re: What to hold out for in the Margaret
Post by: HntnFsh on September 25, 2010, 06:30:39 PM: JoeVon,sent you a pm.