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Other Activities => Fishing => Topic started by: LongTatLaw on March 10, 2008, 08:06:18 PM
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If money was irrelevant and you wanted the perfect all around "rivers of Washington" rod, reel, line...what would ya pick? I mean casting reels not fly fishing.
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Spin cast or bait cast?
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from the shore... NO BOAT... but otherwise...you tell me!!
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It's hard to beat this set up. Sage 286 with a Shimano Curado, spooled with Maxima ultra green. A little spendy, but you can feel a fish fart if ones there!
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G-loomis medium, fast action with curado, izorline with maxima leader. Maxima is a little to stiff to cast but is best for drift fishing. about a 300$ set up. I have put many steelies on the bank with this. You will never beet the sensitivity of a loomis.
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You can't have just one rod... for smaller rivers for steelhead, it would be my Loomis 1141S with Shimano Symetre, for slightly larger rivers and steelhead and silvers it would be my Loomis 1083C with Shimano Curado, and if you want to go even bigger, Loomis 1024C with an Abu 6500 C3. :chuckle:
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Well sounds like the Curado is a decent start with some discussion on rods...
Im curious how both are a 300$ set up?? I just looked at Cabelas and the curado was 269 and the loomis start at 150 and get to 250$ easy
or was that pic a sage? which cabelas doesnt seem to carry?
is there a good place to buy that combo for 300$?
nice thing is it seems like this might work for a salt water trout and red fish pole when Im down fishing in GA and FL?? 8)
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I'd have to agree with my partner - Sage 286 & shimano combo! ... A hard to beat combo if you could only have 1 for everything. Ive landed 35 pound springer's 20 -25 pound silver dollar bright chum and 2-4 pound Puyalllup silvers and Steelhead of all sizes and it handles them all without a problem. I know I have more fish under my belt because of the sensitivity when they're biting light it's hard to beat!
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Man those boys picture so damn nice!!!
hell you catch em and Ill just be the guy beside the guy that caught the fish!!!
jk
I gotta get a piece of them fellas...
what do people do...eat em and just get blanks for the mount?
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wheres the best place to purchase that combo?
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The picture was a sage. For $300 you could get set up pretty good with an all around rod/reel combo that would get you started and cover everything you mentioned. You don't need to spend an arm and a leg. I just have an understanding wife. M_ray, you could catch that boot steelhead with a snoopy rod :chuckle:
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M_ray, you could catch that boot steelhead with a snoopy rod
If you were good like me you could too!
Now I snowshoed 2 miles for that chrome this is what a boot looks like ... here's about a 20# boot
38 x20" ... which took me almost 10 minutes to land!
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boot???
I wear an 8.5 wide...so what the hell kinda boots u fellas wearin?? lol
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what do people do...eat em and just get blanks for the mount?
I release about 98% of my fish and only keep Hatchery fish for the table.
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boot???
That's what we refer to a dark steely like the second one there ... tmike was trying to be funny about my first pic!
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Are the hatchery fish marked? or can you ID them some other way?
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Over half of hatchery fish have their adipose fin clipped off when they are smolt.
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Yeah like Ice said the state clips the adipose or in some cases the ventral fin allthough I think the ventral gets clipped by mistake and I have never caught one but seen a few. Usally it's the adipose but on the Queets they don't clip any they go by a smaller than 2" dorsal fin (which has to be smaller than a credit card turned on edge) another way to tell is all the fins get rounded in the hatchery ponds not to mention the fish arent as strong of fighters as a Native. It's good to read up on your Regs as not all rivers are the same.
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You will never beet the sensitivity of a loomis.
Easy there Red Dawg I've fished with both and they can be.
I wont go as far as you, Loomis is a fine rod but at the quality of both we are talking about here a better statement might be - it comes down to a matter of preference and what you are more comfortable with! Unless of coarse you are comparing a Loomis to an ugly stick!
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Sage/Curado combo but I have to go with the Trilene, always works wonders for me.
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the last time i held a sage it was way out of balance. they probably are good rods but they make a better flyrod. There are a couple of different rods you can buy for a considerable amount of money less. Rapala makes an outstanding rod I think the last time i bought one it was 30 bucks or so at joes. if you are just starting out go buy a cheaper rod that rapala rod will do anything a sage will do. as for reel the shimanos are probably the best they have three or fout different ones to choose from. you do not need the best one for what you need. so there is my .02.
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I am a Loomis guy, but have fished with Sage rods too. The newer curados are a metal housing with different gears than the old BSF201's.
The new ones are 250.00+ where the 201's are discontinued but still the go to reel for the majority of PNW steelheaders. Check out e-bay for some used reels.
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My favorite rod is the IMX 1082C with a Curado 201 hard to beat. The 1082C gl3 is a great rod also.
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I guess we can all agree on a Curado :) It's funny how much a man will defend his rod, no matter where he uses it :chuckle: I don't think you can go wrong with any of the gear mentioned. Red Dawg were talking about the Sage drift rods.
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I haven't tried a Sage rod yet but seems to be a pretty good choice. However, my choice of setup no doubt is the GLoomis 1141S IMX 9'6" Ultra-Light with a Shimano Stradic 2500. When I'm using this set up majority of time I'm using Izorline with it. Pretty spendy setup, but like someone else said....if a fish farts near your rod your gonna feel it.
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It's funny how much a man will defend his rod, no matter where he uses it
I'll allways defend my rod! it's all I got and it still works great even after 44 years! :chuckle:
the last time i held a sage it was way out of balance.
Red Dawg now we are getting somewhere it was probably a factory built rod and that out of balance feeling can happen no matter what brand it is depending on who built it. I have all my rods custom built so you really don't run into that problem. And I wasn't slamming your Loomis the ones I fished with were from the guy who does my custom rods and they were great rods too.
I agree with you, if longtats motivation here is to get info to buy a rod and reel set up Sage & Loomis may not be a starter combo but eventually they are among the best and expensive as they may be you get what you pay for. :)
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I haven't built a new rod in the last eight years so I have a question for those who are up to date on the latest materials.
It used to be that we would build our drift rods on a graphite or similar type material blank for drift fishing or fly fishing. We would use a nice fiberglass blank for rods we were going to pull plugs with. The slower action of the fiberglass, allowed the plug to have more movement.
Is this still the case?
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I wouldn't know I don't usally pull plugs ... just never could get into sitting there waiting I mainly drift fish.
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bradford that is typically true unless you are running bait divers like a hot-n-tot. obviously while drift fishing you need a fast action rod. I see that most of you coasties are sage fans that is cool they probably do make a fantastic drift rod. The balance thing from a factory rod is more than likely true but you can go up to just about any loomis and it will be balanced also the power transfer for setting the hook and fighting the fish in fast water is a must on the klick which is were i primarily fish. I have fished the coast on many occasions although i was flyfishing most of the time and it would seem like you would need a lighter rod than sage can offer. Like i said my knowledge of the sage drift rods is limited it seems even with the flyrods they are a more bulky type of rod. just my opinion though. I am sure that they are good rods since a lot of you guys seem to own them but i guess i am just overly picky when it come to my tackle.
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"the last time i held a sage it was way out of balance."
My Sage fly rods were purchased as factory build rods, my bait casters and spinning rods were built by Gary Anderson in Oregon, http://www.andersoncustomrods.com/
I don't know who built the rod you used but can assure you these are very well done and balanced very well. I have used and still own Loomis, Lamiglass and several others, and JMHO, non compare to the feel of the Sage. To each his own I say, and your opinion is always welcome. Anytime your ready to try one again just give me a shout, you can borrow a couple of mine whenever you want, I think you might change your mind ;)
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M-Ray - I really like running a small hot shot or wiggle wart into holes when winter steelheading smaller streams. You can cover miles of water pretty quickly. This will give you access to a lot of water that is just to tough to drift fish. Just start at the top of a run, drop the plug in, and freespool it slowly through the hole. It gets the plug down to them, where your drift would typically hang up from fishing it below you, or a bobber and jig would have too much drag. I always carry a few favorite hot shot colors with me when summer flyfishing as well. Sometimes you need to set that plug right in front of a hen or buck that has lockjaw and wait them out. The fly rod gives you some extra reach. I'm like you in the winter, I want to cover a lot of water. It helps me stay warm.
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"Rapala makes an outstanding rod I think the last time i bought one it was 30 bucks or so at joes."
"but i guess i am just overly picky when it come to my tackle."
Okay Red which one is it? I doesn't sound like your too picky to me if you can be happy with a $30.00 rod :rolleyes: :chuckle:
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the 30$ rod should be 150.
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Just flippin ya chit brother ;)
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i know bro, but i do love that particular rod. anyway on a better note i hear the springer run is going to be good this year. And i am glad that you love your rods, someone has to.
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actually some of the best rods I've ever owned are those old yellow salmon rods made by Berkley years ago, those things lasted forever and caught lots of fish. I think they were about $25.00 too. :chuckle:
I heard the same thing for springers, unfortunatly for me I fish Cathlamet a lot and its only open 12 days this year >:( Guess I'm going to have to learn how to fish above I-5 this year, any help will be greatly appreciated. I would assume there will be a hog line completely across the river at the I-5 bridge :bash:
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i guess the wind is going to have a great run this year. The last time they had a good year we averaged 6 fish landed per day. i could not even tell you how many we lost. On flyrods 8 lb test. It is a lot of fun, it is the only slamon fishing i will do.
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The yellow Berkley Buckaneer. I caught my largest kings on the kenai with one of those. I even used it for Halibut. Those were the days!
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G-loomis medium, fast action with curado, izorline with maxima leader. Maxima is a little to stiff to cast but is best for drift fishing. about a 300$ set up. I have put many steelies on the bank with this. You will never beet the sensitivity of a loomis.
I would second this but if you cant spend the money on a g-loomis go lamiglas.....
I have a Curado, lamiglas, with red maxima line with tuffline backing which gives me more line but smaller diameter with more strength to fight and keeps me from loosing the bigger fish when you get them hooked on. I actually use mine for sturgeon, salmon, and stealhead.......might be time for a new rode but well see this year.
Shimano Curado......130-150$(wouldnt get anything else, had mine for 6 plus years)
Lamiglas................80-120$
G-loomis................150-250$
Berkley IM7..................80$(also a good rod, for alot less)
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Personally, I think there's a HUGE difference between the $120 rods and the $300+ rods. I have your basic 8'6" medium Lamiglas that cost about $120 or so. Nice rod, I use it for silvers in the saltwater. Then I upgraded to 9' 1082 and 1083 Loomis GL2s, which are a little nicer but in the $200 range. Used these three for steelhead til I got my hands on a Loomis GLX 1083, which is your $300+ variety. Drift steelhead fishing is all about feeling the bite, and that comes down to rod sensitivity. The difference with these rods is night and day.
If I didn't have a budget for these things and was starting out, right now I'd go with the Loomis STR1163C. It's longer, 9'8", which will allow you to both float fish and traditional drift fish effectively. Float fishing is the easiest way to get into fish from the get go, so I'd start there and get some fish under my belt. A longer rod will allow for better float fishing, but will still work great for traditional drift fishing, so there's not much of a downside.
Of course, all that being said, even better than reading a bunch of posts would be to go to a local dealer who could put all of the above in your hand and let you feel (and could explain) the difference and benefits of each.
If I was on a budget, I'd still buy the $300 rod but would skimp on the reel. A nicer reel is more fun (I also use a Curado, like others above), but the rod will make a much bigger difference in terms of fish on the beach. I'd rather have a $60 Abu 5500 on the Loomis IMX than a Curado on a GL2.
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Anyone from Thurston County remember that old timer out on Zangle Road / Boston Harbor who made custom rods? When I was a youth, he taught me a thing or two about rod building, lathing, very cool tips...
One thing I still do to my drift fishing rods is to balance the rod to the anticipated weight of your average drift rig by casting lead shot into the handle. The overall weight of the rod is increased, but you can hold the rod alot different in your hand, with less torque on your wrist....better softer feel...not sure if anyone else does this...
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"which is your $300+ variety. Drift steelhead fishing is all about feeling the bite, and that comes down to rod sensitivity. The difference with these rods is night and day."
WAcous, I agree 110%. I'm sure Red is a accomplished enough fisherman to be able to use any rod and be successful, as are most that post on this subject, but for drift fishing in rivers I find it hard to believe that any experienced fisherman, comparing a $300+ Lami, Loomis, Sage, Kistler, Scott etc. to a $30 Ugly Stick for example, would choose the less expensive rod. I'm not talking just about picking a more expensive rod because of the money either, like you said, there is night and day difference. I think what we need to do is pack a bunch of different rods, all manufactures, all price ranges, down to the river when we meet in the next couple months to run some skinny stuff, and let folks that haven't had the oportunity to compare them, do just that. We don't have to put bait on them just a slinky and let them cast them and feel the the drift. Nothing like hands on comparisons, something you can't get in the store. I have to believe that we could come up with quite the selection of rods and reels if we had several folks show up.
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sounds like fun to me. im in.
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i agree that you must fish with a quality piece of graphite but just because it is 300$ does not mean that it is better than a 120$ rod. I guess it depends on a lot of factors. I have picked up some really expensive rods that i would not give 2$ for. It all boils down to what type of fishing that you are doing. all i do is drift fish and flyfish. Some people like to bobber and jig fish some like to go with just a bobber. they all take different rods. But one thing that is for sure is once you have the "bite" figures out it will not matter what type of rod you have in your hands. I have actually gotten to like a spinning rod. You have a lot more versatility while in brush but you dont have as much fighting control. I learned the "bite" on a horrible rod so just about any rod with some kind of action is good for me but with a quality rod you will have a lot less fatigue while drift fishing. After 2 or three days of casting you will be able to tell. So anyways when are we going to hit the water. I would like to go more than anything to meet some of you guys. Let me know. I am ready.
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mine is 13' long, a little more than $300, and looks something like this when it works right...anybody know this guy? hint...it ain't me.
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It looks like a spey rod, andwith that distance, I'm gonna guess Lefty Kreh.
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mike kinney...skagit legend.
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My guess would be Steve Rajeff
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When I first started dating my wife she had a custom 8 1/2' rod built for me by Gary Loomis himself (her sister and brother in-law are friends with him) just before I shipped out to Alaska. Best rod I have ever fished with, bar none. She topped it off with a Abu Garcia Ambassador (I cant remember the model). It has boated a ton of fish including several kings over 50 lbs.
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My guess would be Steve Rajeff
it's mike kinney.
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if you guys are into custom built rods, check out fethastyx. jim is in redmond and builds some beautiful rods at all different price ranges. he uses top of the line blanks from all the major manufacturers...and he's local.
http://fethastyx.com/
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I've been steelheading a fair amount of time and to be honest, besides the piece of crap rods I used early on I've only used a Sage. I'd love to try some of the other quality rods for fun. I could throw in the mix a 286 and a 386 Sage. That's 8 ft 6 in, 2 and 3 powers.
My opinion is yes those rods help, but you won't be able to hook up if you don't know how to read the water and present your gear in an effective way. The best rod in the world can't help you there.
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All of the combos mentioned are great rigs. Just an FYI I caught allot of Steelies in my youth using just a 6' 6" medium action Abu Garcia with a Mitchel 300A total cost about $29. 00 strung with okie drifter and yarn. Now it seams it is impossible to catch steelhead without a $300 - $400 combo 9 to 10 foot in length, LOL.
I am still waiting for my G-loomis and Luhr Jenson rods to catch as many fish.
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mike i agree if you dont know where the fish are a good rod is a moot point. But a good rod is the best starting point. then put the hours in learning the rivers that you want to fish. and i mean a lot of hours. but some are easier to learn than others like the GR and the Methow. just take a line and hook on a beer can and you will catch them.
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I am in the process of haveing a custom rod built its a 7' medium fast action I am putting a shimano sahara on it and plan on running berkley trileen eatra limp 8lbs JB
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Red Dawg, I've never fished those, but if I can drink the beer before I hook on the can I'm in.
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ya the last time i fished the methow i grew tired of catching fish. and they are big. but i dont think it has been open for a while. The GR is the GR always lots of fish but they have travels lots of miles. you dont need anything special for either river. but then you have the south pond on the calowah you have to hide in the brush and cast 20 yards ahead of them with 4lb test to hook them. but it is worth it when you get one. It is so funny with the contrast that the same fish will have in different rivers. I heard they are going to use the snake river strain of steelhead on the lower columbia because the fish on the lower columbia are wimpy. Makes a little sence, since the snake fish have to travel three times more miles and those rivers get back 5 times more fish.
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Well,
went out with my new found outdoors buddy Tmike and we drifted the Satsop... I used his Curado on a Sage and it was a very smooth set up even though I believe the curado was an older model....?
I messed up the few bites I got and Mike spent most of his day explaining what I should be doing...which wasnt what I was doing...lol (sorry mike).
Lucky for me, he is a school teacher...and I act like a special ed kid on crack so it worked out.
We didnt catch any fish but it was a great time that Id be happy to do again soon.
Mike, Id not catch fish with you any time brother!
Thanks for taking me and working so hard to make me almost a fisherman!
dave
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Tmike
Thanks for taking "Corky" out fishing, It's nice not to see him licking the window... :chuckle:
...I had to tat. it was set up so well :chuckle:
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Im not even sure what the hell that means....lol
but you suck any way!
d
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That's ok, I'll explain it on the short bus as we go out to get dem birds. :guns: I thought you knew I ride it too. :chuckle:
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glad you had fun on your fishing trip. it helps a lot when you have someone to teach you some tricks. Good luck.
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Yep,
thanks to mike I now have a pretty good idea how to Stealy fish and Im looking forward to buying my own curado.
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Out in the cold for several hours, go home skunked...yep you are a true steelhead fisherman. It is kind of like golf though, it gets in your blood and then you will spend countless hours and money for that one perfect moment that makes everything worthwhile.
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Thanks for taking "Corky" out fishing, It's nice not to see him licking the window... chuckle
:chuckle: :chuckle: So we get to the first hole and I'm telling him, " see how your bobber is standing straight up, your sandy is free floating perfectly, when you do that 4 or 5 times and then it disappears, set the hook....LIKE NOW! :bash: He almost pulls one out from the get go. The fish didn't cooperate but we had a great time. It's the least I could do for anybody who's ready to go on their 4th tour in Iraq. Any time Dave just let me know.
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Thanks for taking "Corky" out fishing, It's nice not to see him licking the window...
Awsome...and "Life goes on". :chuckle: