Post by: champ41 on August 18, 2010, 10:48:37 PM
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Post by: bowhunterforever on August 19, 2010, 12:41:33 AM
Post by: jayrod9528 on August 19, 2010, 06:38:49 AM
Post by: seth30 on August 19, 2010, 06:41:52 AM
I use a .270 wsm. I'm not sure if it's got enough knock down power for yotes. ;)more than you need, I use a 223 and its more than enough.
Post by: 700xcr on August 19, 2010, 06:44:11 AM
I use a .270 wsm. I'm not sure if it's got enough knock down power for yotes. ;)More then enough. Why didn't you post the picture of the out come of 270wsm versas coyote? Need to get you into a small bore and so you can load alot more.
Post by: 700xcr on August 19, 2010, 06:53:43 AM
I am looking into buying a gun for yote huntin but i dont want to spend a ton of money. im looking at at .223 or a .22-250 what do you guys think? from what ive seen the .223 is less money and cheaper shells, but the .22-250 is a lot flatter shooting. i dont know for sure though? :dunno:223rem would be cheaper and good out to 300yds. or so. But if you wanted a long range coyote gun a 243win. would have less wind drift then the 22-250. Also the 243win. would work for dual purpose on deer too. Just my opinion.
Post by: bearmanric on August 19, 2010, 07:48:09 AM
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Post by: 700xcr on August 19, 2010, 08:33:52 AM
What about a 25-06? I don't know much about guns but I thought that was a flat shooting gun maybe I'm mistaken25-06 will work for long range coyote and deer gun. There is gentleman on another forum that lives in Hermiston,Or. that uses a 25-06 and he hammers coyotes way out there. Depend on your terrain and range that you hunt in that determines what cartridge you use on coyotes and all animals.
Post by: wastickslinger on August 19, 2010, 08:36:21 AM
Get a 204 ruger, Shoots fast, flat and you get to see what your shooting flop in your scope.
:yeah:
Post by: FC on August 19, 2010, 09:01:15 AM
Post by: Bofire on August 19, 2010, 09:26:49 AM
I like the 204 but in this state it is not legal for cougars I'd hate to miss out on a cougar cause I did not have a legal gun.
Carl
Post by: champ41 on August 19, 2010, 09:42:17 AM
Post by: 700xcr on August 19, 2010, 12:48:28 PM
Thanks for all the info! you guys are really making my decision hard :( hahahaGive us a little more information. Like where are you hunting coyotes (type of terrain)? Like in wooded areas or open wheat field and CRP ground? What you expect your max range of shots would be? No sense getting a 22-250 or 243win. for a 200yd or 300yd. shot while a 223rem that is cheaper to shoot and kill a coyote then the rest of the other cartridges. That way we can help you along with a decision even more.
Post by: Big10gauge on August 19, 2010, 04:37:41 PM
Post by: champ41 on August 19, 2010, 06:58:47 PM
Post by: 700xcr on August 19, 2010, 07:33:28 PM
I hunt in wooded areas, clear cuts, and the lower fields.. i would shoot anywhere from 25-500 yards just depends.. and i have a 270 that ive been using but i am tired of buying shells for it, so i just want to use that for bear. and i hunt deer and elk with a bow. so im just buying this new gun for something to mess around with and shoot some yotesMy opinion is to get a 223rem. Cheaper to shoot and plenty of ammo availablity. Sense you are hunting clear cut and wooded areas, you could call them in closer. If you are just hunting coyotes in your wooded area I would tend to a standard barrel versas heavy barreled rifle. I am parcel to Remingtons 700 rifle. Just looked at a Remington model 700 SPS 223rem. blued standard 24" barrel today at Wholesale Sports for $549.99. Even though I have the Remington 700 SPS Varmint with a heavy 26" barrel that I use for short walks I would tend to get the standard 24" in 223rem for a walking gun that I may have 10 shots a day at coyotes versas 200rds. or 300rds. a day at ground squirrels.
Post by: fishnate on August 19, 2010, 07:53:16 PM
I've never heard of anyone only having one gun for coyote hunting :o . If I only had one gun it would be a .243, flat trajectory and lots of FPE also very versatile, maybe cost a little more to feed but you'll never feel undergunned for coyotes. :chuckle:
.243 all the way 8)
Post by: champ41 on August 19, 2010, 10:00:32 PM
Post by: danceswitharrows on August 19, 2010, 10:44:09 PM
:yeah:Get a 204 ruger, Shoots fast, flat and you get to see what your shooting flop in your scope.
:yeah:
Post by: 400out on August 20, 2010, 12:09:24 PM
I would get a .223, cheapest to shoot and accurate with enough snot to kill coyotes at 300 yards easily. Don't make the mistake of buying a 16" barreled AR and thinking it's a varmint rifle as the short barrel gives up a lot of velocity and it's long range capabilities won't impress you. If you go the AR route get something with a match type barrel at least 20" but preferably 24-26".I haven't ran into any problems with my olympic with a short barrel :dunno:
Post by: Rudy on August 20, 2010, 02:56:25 PM
Post by: FC on August 20, 2010, 07:31:45 PM
I would get a .223, cheapest to shoot and accurate with enough snot to kill coyotes at 300 yards easily. Don't make the mistake of buying a 16" barreled AR and thinking it's a varmint rifle as the short barrel gives up a lot of velocity and it's long range capabilities won't impress you. If you go the AR route get something with a match type barrel at least 20" but preferably 24-26".I haven't ran into any problems with my olympic with a short barrel :dunno:
Try shooting a coyote with it at 300+ yards and you will! Unless you are handloading for it and getting your muzzle velocity back up over 3000fps with 62gr or heavier your drop in speed and energy (bullet drop too) at 300m+ might really open your eyes.
Post by: AWS on August 23, 2010, 02:19:10 PM
AWS
Post by: Special T on August 25, 2010, 10:23:40 AM
I hunt the basin area for yotes and would like to do more over here but my savage 22lr and 20g doesn't quite hook it up. :(
Post by: BlackRidge on August 25, 2010, 10:28:09 AM
I would get a .223, cheapest to shoot and accurate with enough snot to kill coyotes at 300 yards easily. Don't make the mistake of buying a 16" barreled AR and thinking it's a varmint rifle as the short barrel gives up a lot of velocity and it's long range capabilities won't impress you. If you go the AR route get something with a match type barrel at least 20" but preferably 24-26".I haven't ran into any problems with my olympic with a short barrel :dunno:
Same here (keep it local),
From what I understand, once you get to 22-26" bbls (.223), you start losing velocity w/ no real gains in accuracy. 18-20" would be ideal, though 16" isn't bad
If you like the AR platform, it doesnt take much alteration to bring it up to "big game" standards. The beauty of an AR is the ease of modification(s) IMO. The lower receiver will accept nearly any upper receiver, short of AR10/.308 types.. Uppers come in varying cals, and are often reasonably priced.
So if you want to go with the AR setup, you can purchase a 6.8spc, 243/25/300wssm, etc upper for your lower, and you're good to go. The 6.8spc doesnt have the best ballistics, but will help you place an accurate and "legal" AR shot up to around 200+ yrds. The 243/25/300wssm setups are definitely superior to the 6.8, but can run more, both for the price of the upper and subsequent ammo/dies
They definitely come in handy when your BRD and that need to hunt collide
J&S (http://jsgunparts.com/store/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=62_1&sort=20a&page=1) has some of the best prices for uppers I've seen in a while, all from good mfg's (Mostly Oly). Plus, theyre local (Olympia), which is a definite plus.
Post by: FC on August 26, 2010, 09:38:30 AM
From what I understand, once you get to 22-26" bbls (.223), you start losing velocity w/ no real gains in accuracy. 18-20" would be ideal, though 16" isn't bad
I am curious where you get this information, everything I have ever read is contrary to this, at least as tested with a chronograph or as reported by ammunition manufacturers. In the case of the AR, the older 20" barreled A1 and A2 vs the current M4 at a 16" barrel length, the result with 62gr penetrators was roughly 300 fps slower when shot through the M4.
Post by: robmill70 on September 13, 2010, 02:15:14 PM
Post by: BlackRidge on September 13, 2010, 02:26:01 PM
From what I understand, once you get to 22-26" bbls (.223), you start losing velocity w/ no real gains in accuracy. 18-20" would be ideal, though 16" isn't bad
I am curious where you get this information, everything I have ever read is contrary to this, at least as tested with a chronograph or as reported by ammunition manufacturers. In the case of the AR, the older 20" barreled A1 and A2 vs the current M4 at a 16" barrel length, the result with 62gr penetrators was roughly 300 fps slower when shot through the M4.
No concrete sources, just from bs'ing with an Olympic Arms employee
Post by: FC on September 13, 2010, 02:42:48 PM
Post by: robmill70 on September 13, 2010, 06:38:36 PM
Post by: trippledigitss on September 17, 2010, 10:25:13 AM
i was in the same situation last year, ended up getting a howa .223 in desert camo.. love that rifle, havnt went out yoteing much but always went by the saying buy the best that you can afford. thats what i did and have no regreats at the range.
I got an Axiom in 22-250 in Kings Desert Camo with matching stirling scope. I've only shot it once once while hunting and that was to dead a dog. Its a heavy bugger but I love it. Not real 'cheap' though, but I got it for $700 new from a dealer in Utah.