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Title: Has anybody shot Burger bullets?
Post by: elkkiller on August 24, 2010, 08:28:11 PM: I was wondering if any body has shot burger hunting bullets and whats your likes and dislikes? I am looking at shooting 185 gr. burger hunting bullet in my 30-378 weatherby but I don't know anybody that has used these. Thanks for any info.
Title: Re: Has anybody shot Burger bullets?
Post by: whacker1 on August 24, 2010, 08:39:02 PM: I am shooting the 168 grain in my 300 rum, because it provides the tightes groups thus far. I haven't killed anything with it yet, so I can tell you how it will perform, but a wild guess will tell me that it will disintegrate like most bullets do when going through 300 rum's and 30-378.
Title: Re: Has anybody shot Burger bullets?
Post by: elkkiller on August 24, 2010, 08:48:33 PM: Have you had any copper fouling from the burger bullets?
Title: Re: Has anybody shot Burger bullets?
Post by: whacker1 on August 24, 2010, 08:50:01 PM: nothing more than I have with any of the other bullets I have shot
Title: Re: Has anybody shot Burger bullets?
Post by: Lightning_Rider on August 24, 2010, 08:52:24 PM: I recently bought 210gr bergers for my 300rum and i absolutely love em. My goal is to shoot long distances but so far i've only had time to get out to 400yds and they are performing flawlessly! from what i read, 210's are the cats meow for 300rum's and bigger. I honestly don't see anything wrong with 185's, you'll just have to try em! This weekend i will be going for 600yds so i will let you know how they do :)
Title: Re: Has anybody shot Burger bullets?
Post by: Lightning_Rider on August 24, 2010, 08:53:47 PM: My good friend has a 30-378 as well and he uses the 210 bergers and loves em
Title: Re: Has anybody shot Burger bullets?
Post by: elkkiller on August 24, 2010, 09:12:57 PM: Quote from: Lightning_Rider on August 24, 2010, 08:53:47 PM
My good friend has a 30-378 as well and he uses the 210 bergers and loves em
what kind of velocity is he getting and what powder is he using?
Title: Re: Has anybody shot Burger bullets?
Post by: MDGrand on August 24, 2010, 09:14:48 PM: I am using Berger bullets right now actually. I shoot the 210 grain in my 300 RUM. I would highly recommend that if you are shooting long distance you go with the 210 and not the 185.. the 185 is still good, however the 210 has a higher Ballistic coefficient, hence more accuracy at long range and in a 300-378.. that sucker will be cooking.

One thing to consider though.. for the weatherby cartidge, Bergers can be a hit or miss as far as accuracy. Because of the neck of the bullet and most importantly because this bullet needs to be seated just right it can be tough to get good groups. The freeboar of the weatherby also plays into this somewhat. Secant ogive bullets are sometimes tough with the weatherbys, it was in my 300 weatherby anyway.

as far as knock down power.. they are extremly unique in that they have a delayed expansion. Meaning they will penetrate most animals 2-3 inches and then fragment causing massive wound cavities as opposed to a ballistic tip that fragments on impact and copper bullets that will go strait through. Thats what makes this such a great bullet at long range because it acts the same at almost any velocity it hits the animal.

:twocents:
Title: Re: Has anybody shot Burger bullets?
Post by: elkkiller on August 24, 2010, 09:26:59 PM: Quote from: MDGrand on August 24, 2010, 09:14:48 PM
I am using Berger bullets right now actually. I shoot the 210 grain in my 300 RUM. I would highly recommend that if you are shooting long distance you go with the 210 and not the 185.. the 185 is still good, however the 210 has a higher Ballistic coefficient, hence more accuracy at long range and in a 300-378.. that sucker will be cooking.

One thing to consider though.. for the weatherby cartidge, Bergers can be a hit or miss as far as accuracy. Because of the neck of the bullet and most importantly because this bullet needs to be seated just right it can be tough to get good groups. The freeboar of the weatherby also plays into this somewhat. Secant ogive bullets are sometimes tough with the weatherbys, it was in my 300 weatherby anyway.

as far as knock down power.. they are extremly unique in that they have a delayed expansion. Meaning they will penetrate most animals 2-3 inches and then fragment causing massive wound cavities as opposed to a ballistic tip that fragments on impact and copper bullets that will go strait through. Thats what makes this such a great bullet at long range because it acts the same at almost any velocity it hits the animal.

:twocents: I shot 2 shots at 100yrds. and were 3/16 th apart, then I went to 200 yrds. and shot 2 that were 1 1/4 apart and the 3rd. being 5-6 " high. I have worked with different loads and a lot of different depth settings but I seem to not be able to get consistent acurracy.I am not sure what to do know. Thanks for the info
Title: Re: Has anybody shot Burger bullets?
Post by: haugenna on August 24, 2010, 09:28:50 PM: Your 30-378 is going to hate the bergers. The free bore is working against you. That bullet design performs best when you can adjust the seating depth. I would go with an accubond or TTSX or trade it off for a RUM and really start driving some nails. My 30-378 sits in the safe. I shoot bergers through the 300 win mag. Placement and accuracy beats speed all day.
Title: Re: Has anybody shot Burger bullets?
Post by: MDGrand on August 24, 2010, 09:40:42 PM: elkkiller.. yeah.. you're welcome. I pretty much got the same results with my 300 weatherby.. I mean I love this rifle, it just will not shoot secant ogive bullets consistantly. After diving into it some more, its basically the freeboar as Haugenna said. So, I go with accubonds and TTSXs as it seems to love those.

My RUM does shoot the Bergers much better and it was one of the reasons I got a RUM because the uniqueness of the bullet and I too wanted 500 yard dead right there capability.
Title: Re: Has anybody shot Burger bullets?
Post by: haugenna on August 24, 2010, 09:45:07 PM: Start stock piling on 215 primers and Retumbo.
Title: Re: Has anybody shot Burger bullets?
Post by: csaeteurn on October 05, 2010, 04:50:12 PM: I've done reloads with them for my .300 winmag
185 berger hunting vld.
they are very long bullets
the manufacturer wants them sat where they are just touching the lands.
I've tried various depths. the best accuracy I've gotten out of them was 0.80 at 100 yards.

I like barnes tsx a lot better.
.055 at 100
Title: Re: Has anybody shot Burger bullets?
Post by: robescc on October 05, 2010, 07:58:06 PM: I shoot the 190's out of my 300 win mag. The 185's work just as good. They are great bullets.
Title: Re: Has anybody shot Burger bullets?
Post by: 509er on October 05, 2010, 08:18:48 PM: I tried the 168's in my 7mm rem mag, it not only did not like the it hated them.
Title: Re: Has anybody shot Burger bullets?
Post by: yorketransport on October 05, 2010, 08:32:55 PM: I shoot the 185s out of a 300 WSM. They shoot 1/3 MOA out of my gun. I didn't have any trouble getting them to group, but some people do.

Andrew