Post by: DoubleJ on August 27, 2010, 11:59:27 AM
Post by: boneaddict on August 27, 2010, 12:04:26 PM
I don't see why not if you get most of the meat. I don't like the method for the accute lack thereof of tenderloins/tender nuggets.
Some wouldn't strip the rib meat like they should.
Post by: NWBREW on August 27, 2010, 12:05:33 PM
Post by: jackelope on August 27, 2010, 12:06:22 PM
I personally would take the rib meat and the neck meat(all 1 piece with the cape and head).
Post by: bobcat on August 27, 2010, 05:52:46 PM
Either way, it doesn't matter, it's legal any way you do it, as long as you leave evidence of sex attached to a portion of the meat.
Post by: washingtonmuley on August 27, 2010, 05:56:57 PM
I'm not sure if peeing behind a pine tree in the woods is legal or not. I'm sure some would say its indecent exposure or a health hazard, while others wouldn't even bat an eye.Bone,
I don't see why not if you get most of the meat. I don't like the method for the accute lack thereof of tenderloins/tender nuggets.
Some wouldn't strip the rib meat like they should.
You can reach in between the ribs and remove the tenderloins. I have done this on several animals in alaska when boning out animals were your only choice and the gutless method being the best in my opinion.
Post by: ridgefire on August 27, 2010, 06:02:43 PM
Post by: bigtex on August 27, 2010, 06:07:36 PM
I don't think it's an issue of whether the actual practice is legal...I think it comes more of an issue of wasting meat. Get as much meat as possible, don't do a sloppy job of it and you should be good to go. It's the meat wasting that will get you in trouble.
I personally would take the rib meat and the neck meat(all 1 piece with the cape and head).
:yeah:
Post by: DoubleJ on August 27, 2010, 06:35:07 PM
Post by: couesbitten on August 27, 2010, 06:47:43 PM
Post by: Elknut1 on August 28, 2010, 04:56:54 AM
Gutless is 100% legal, the only step eliminated is the "gutting" there is no meat loss! Everything else that one would do to break down a critter is exactly the same!
ElkNut1
Post by: ICEMAN on August 28, 2010, 05:15:32 AM
Wouldn't leaving the heart and liver be considered wasteage?
It is in my book. :peep:
Post by: PA BEN on August 28, 2010, 06:10:32 AM
. Transporting Wildlife:
You must transport any big game animal with
the proper tag attached. The properly validated
tag must remain with the meat until it is eaten
(including cold storage).
If quartered, the tag should remain with the carcass
or largest portion of the carcass. If you need to
take the head to a taxidermist and the meat to
be processed, you can complete a taxidermy
ledger or invoice, providing information outlined
under "Possession and Use of Wildlife" for the
taxidermist, and keep the tag with the meat at the
processor.
The tag should remain attached to the hide of a
bear or cougar until it is tanned.
3. Evidence of Animal's Sex:
It is illegal to possess or transport big game
animals unless evidence of the animal's sex is left
naturally attached to the carcass until the carcass
is processed or stored for consumption. Evidence
of sex means:
Male - head with antlers or horns attached or
penis or testes naturally attached to at least
one quarter of the carcass or to the largest
portion of meat.
Female - the head or udder must be
naturally attached to at least one quarter of
the carcass or to the largest portion of meat.
Big game taken in antler or horn restriction areas:
The head or skull plate, with both horns or both
antlers naturally attached, must accompany the
carcass while in transit or in possession.
The feathered heads of game birds must be
attached to the carcass when they are in your
possession in the field or are being transported.
Post by: Elknut1 on August 28, 2010, 06:44:44 AM
No, heart & liver are organs & not needed to meet requirements. Personally I am not fond of organs! (grin) On top of that you do not need to gut an animal to retrieve either one!
ElkNut1
Post by: PA BEN on August 28, 2010, 06:47:26 AM
Post by: boneaddict on August 28, 2010, 06:56:18 AM
We've all been there Miles. :chuckle:
Post by: Kent Hunter on August 28, 2010, 06:59:06 AM
Post by: Hunter Dug on August 28, 2010, 07:08:44 AM
Post by: PA BEN on August 28, 2010, 08:40:31 AM
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi154.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fs276%2FPABEN07%2F100_2398.jpg&hash=c4c1693cb545adb011558c0487fe9b09d2b58a24)
Post by: Atroxus on August 28, 2010, 09:42:39 AM
So, if the head isn't attached to the largest portion of meat then the pecker or nuts. :bdid: Those are the first to go to get them away from the meat. :yike:
. Transporting Wildlife:
You must transport any big game animal with
the proper tag attached. The properly validated
tag must remain with the meat until it is eaten
(including cold storage).
If quartered, the tag should remain with the carcass
or largest portion of the carcass. If you need to
take the head to a taxidermist and the meat to
be processed, you can complete a taxidermy
ledger or invoice, providing information outlined
under "Possession and Use of Wildlife" for the
taxidermist, and keep the tag with the meat at the
processor.
The tag should remain attached to the hide of a
bear or cougar until it is tanned.
3. Evidence of Animal's Sex:
It is illegal to possess or transport big game
animals unless evidence of the animal's sex is left
naturally attached to the carcass until the carcass
is processed or stored for consumption. Evidence
of sex means:
Male - head with antlers or horns attached or
penis or testes naturally attached to at least
one quarter of the carcass or to the largest
portion of meat.
Female - the head or udder must be
naturally attached to at least one quarter of
the carcass or to the largest portion of meat.
Big game taken in antler or horn restriction areas:
The head or skull plate, with both horns or both
antlers naturally attached, must accompany the
carcass while in transit or in possession.
The feathered heads of game birds must be
attached to the carcass when they are in your
possession in the field or are being transported.
I am curious how you bone out the hindquarters and still leave proof of sex attached? I just can't seem to wrap my head around that, could just be that I have never field dressed yet. It seems to me from the videos I have seen on field dressing that the best bet would be to bone everything out up to the front shoulders then leave one front shoulder/cape/neck/head as one unit so the head would then be attached to the one intact quarter. Course this is just speculation from a newby who has only seen pictures and videos so far. :dunno: Anyone know of a video that shows an animal being boned out in the field? I have seen the pictorial on this site, but several of the pictures either don't load for me or are so close in that I am not sure what I am looking at since I don't have any prior experience hands on.
Post by: PA BEN on August 28, 2010, 11:29:13 AM
There's a thread w/a video on this gutless method.
Post by: ridgefire on August 28, 2010, 02:04:38 PM
Post by: Atroxus on August 28, 2010, 02:19:48 PM
Just skin one hind leg all the way and leave the nut sack w/a patch of hide on the other leg.
There's a thread w/a video on this gutless method.
Cool, I did a search and found the video you mentioned. It is awesome. Thanks. :)
Post by: Axle on August 28, 2010, 03:07:10 PM
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I don't like the method for the accute lack thereof of tenderloins/tender nuggets.
Some wouldn't strip the rib meat like they should.
OK Bone, look at my deer in this tutorial and tell me you can see tenderloins at the end and I will give you all the tenderloins I get from now on. And the rib meat is a piece of cake too but some won't take it regardless.
Post by: Axle on August 28, 2010, 03:09:01 PM
http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,37569.0.html (http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,37569.0.html)
Post by: Axle on August 28, 2010, 03:14:13 PM
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Wouldn't leaving the heart and liver be considered wasteage?
Heart and liver are easily accessible.
http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,37569.0.html (http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,37569.0.html)
Look at the pictures. I always take the heart. Only the liver if I find somebody that will eat it.
Post by: Axle on August 28, 2010, 03:16:04 PM
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You can reach in between the ribs and remove the tenderloins.
The tenderloins are not behind ribs. They are farther back. Once the hind leg and back straps are off, the tenderloins are easily accessible.
Post by: Axle on August 28, 2010, 03:21:30 PM
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I just watched that video and in my opinion there is to much meat left behind.
That video posted on this forum is lousy. It shows nothing at all except a front and hind leg being taken off. My granddaughter could probably do that without explanation but everyone who looked at it went nuts over it (except me). There is nothing on it that is much good as far as instruction.
Remember folks, the gutless method isn't new. It is real easy and the only way I have been doing it for over 20 years. Even if you guess, I'm sure you can figure it out in the field.
Post by: PA BEN on August 28, 2010, 03:48:23 PM
Post by: Axle on August 28, 2010, 05:55:31 PM
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There is three videos, they show the whole job.
I didn't see the other two. Didn't mean to rip anyone who did a good job. I thought the first one was it. Guess I'd better go find the other two.
Post by: DoubleJ on August 28, 2010, 06:00:37 PM
QuoteThere is three videos, they show the whole job.
I didn't see the other two. Didn't mean to rip anyone who did a good job. I thought the first one was it. Guess I'd better go find the other two.
He doesn't show pulling the organs or rib meat but, I choose to believe he felt this was elementary. I have frequented Cory's website for awhile and I just don't see him as the kind of guy that would leave that kind of meat behind. When you watch all the videos though, it does give you a better picture of what he's doing.
Post by: Axle on August 28, 2010, 06:17:43 PM
I just watched the second (and last) video. Somebody call the game warden! They wasted all the rib meat, all the meat on the outside of the stomach, and who knows what else. I would bet that the state they are in requires "all" the meat to be taken.
I seriously doubt they turned it over 'again' to get that meat. They would've taken it off before turning it over on the dirt.
They also should've de-boned the legs. It only takes a couple minutes on the hind and a few minutes on a front leg. Why pack out the bone when you go that far?
It was a good start but there is certainly room for a game warden to write a fat one on that animal. Responsibility to get all the meat should be number one. Not just convenience.
Maybe I'm just being picky though.
Post by: DoubleJ on August 28, 2010, 06:30:01 PM
Post by: Axle on August 28, 2010, 07:40:58 PM
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Cory has stated that he leaves the bone in the leg to use as kind of a natural pack frame to help tie it all up.
When he gets older and more worn out, he will leave bone behind. (one of them anyway) :chuckle: :chuckle: :IBCOOL:
Glad to see a video that gets this method out there. I've been trying to tell and teach friends for 20 years how to do this.
Post by: bullcanyon on August 29, 2010, 08:33:27 PM
Post by: PA BEN on August 30, 2010, 07:05:52 AM
So does that mean the head has to stay attached to a chunk of meat or can you get away with breaking it down to the upper part of the head only? Like say for a european mount? Trying to picture ourselves not risking a ticket when we are packing meat a long ways :dunno: I always figured worst case scenario. I'd take the gamie back to the kill site and let him verify the sex. Probably wouldn't work out well for us though.Male - head with antlers or horns attached or
penis or testes naturally attached to at least
one quarter of the carcass or to the largest
portion of meat.
Post by: ridgefire on August 30, 2010, 09:22:48 PM
Post by: bullcanyon on August 31, 2010, 04:56:00 AM
Post by: PA BEN on August 31, 2010, 06:13:20 AM
Post by: bullcanyon on September 01, 2010, 03:19:30 PM
Post by: pods8 on September 01, 2010, 05:55:53 PM
They list it as viewable online as well but I can't get it to work, someone else may have better luck with it online(EDIT GOT IT TO WORK!):
Main page http://www.multimedia.adfg.alaska.gov/#video (http://www.multimedia.adfg.alaska.gov/#video)
Direct link: http://www.multimedia.adfg.alaska.gov:8080/WildlifeConservation/biggame.wmv (http://www.multimedia.adfg.alaska.gov:8080/WildlifeConservation/biggame.wmv)
Post by: grundy53 on September 01, 2010, 06:52:48 PM
Yikes!!!!!
I just watched the second (and last) video. Somebody call the game warden! They wasted all the rib meat, all the meat on the outside of the stomach, and who knows what else. I would bet that the state they are in requires "all" the meat to be taken.
I seriously doubt they turned it over 'again' to get that meat. They would've taken it off before turning it over on the dirt.
They also should've de-boned the legs. It only takes a couple minutes on the hind and a few minutes on a front leg. Why pack out the bone when you go that far?
It was a good start but there is certainly room for a game warden to write a fat one on that animal. Responsibility to get all the meat should be number one. Not just convenience.
Maybe I'm just being picky though.
Not necessarily. Their are states such as Idaho that don't require you to take the rib meat. I still do. But just saying it depends on which state you are in whether you are required to or not.