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Big Game Hunting => Elk Hunting => Topic started by: sloperider on August 30, 2010, 02:40:37 PM

Title: Using Wood Stove Early Elk?
Post by: sloperider on August 30, 2010, 02:40:37 PM: Just wondering if using a wood stove in a wall tent is much of a risk with fires from the sparks. Ill be up around 5000 ft. near naches and it seems to be pretty green. the nights get a little chilly. About a month ago i seen someone with a camp fire up in the same area, that seemed a bit to risky. Just wanted to hear some of your thoughts. thanks
Title: Re: Using Wood Stove Early Elk?
Post by: gasman on August 30, 2010, 07:52:07 PM: I would check the burn ban at the time.

If there is a burn ban, then no.

Kinda sucks, but thats for everyones safty.

(propane heater :dunno:, I used one in my elk tent several times. No stoking the fire at night ;) )
Title: Re: Using Wood Stove Early Elk?
Post by: HoofsandWings on August 30, 2010, 09:25:52 PM: Get one of those space heaters. Woodstoves are best when it is cold and wet or snowing. A good wood stove will drive you out of the tent unless you are from Death Valley. Or put on some more layers of clothing. I have experienced several temperature inversions up there. I have hunted in shorts and t-shirt in November along the Little Naches and up near Chinook Pass. Up at Raven Roost I slept in the bed of the pickup because it was too hot in the tent. At least in the pickup you can wake up in the middle of the night and see stars and some falling stars if you are lucky.
Title: Re: Using Wood Stove Early Elk?
Post by: wsucowboy on August 30, 2010, 09:42:20 PM: I used one of those little propane heater last year for deer season up in the Nile. Used it a little bit before we went to bed to get the tent worm then shut it off. If it got to cold during the night you turned it back on and went to bed it worked good. It wasn't getting to cold at night and we were in a smaller tent.
Title: Re: Using Wood Stove Early Elk?
Post by: HoofsandWings on August 31, 2010, 08:24:10 AM: One more thing. If the tent does not have a floor, put something non-combustable under and around stoves and heaters.
I put indoor/outdoor carpet down. I like to walk around the tent in my bare feet. It is easy to roll up and shake it outside.
Also, I sleep in a cot. Too many years of mice, etc running over the sleeping bag in the middle of the night. For me, it is one of those
sounds and smells that will wake me up from a deep sleep. As a child of six, I had mice and rats in my bedroom at night.
Title: Re: Using Wood Stove Early Elk?
Post by: LCG on August 31, 2010, 08:53:15 AM: Quote from: sloperider on August 30, 2010, 02:40:37 PM
Just wondering if using a wood stove in a wall tent is much of a risk with fires from the sparks.

Wood stoves are great. A barrel stove is easiest and probably safest. They will cook you out if you dont keep the dampers shut down. Pressed logs or bricks are cheap and make no sparks. Dry soft woods spark and burn to fast. We use our stove year round and wouldnt go anywhere without it.

Don
Title: Re: Using Wood Stove Early Elk?
Post by: pods8 on August 31, 2010, 10:32:09 AM: If you end up using a propane catalytic heater make sure you have some air exchange as they use up the available oxygen in the air, you can't smell that problem coming and just fall asleep...
Title: Re: Using Wood Stove Early Elk?
Post by: bowtech721 on August 31, 2010, 01:35:59 PM: i use one of the bigger mr buddy style heaters and it works great... they are supposed to be safe to leave on with the oxygen sensor or whatever to turn it off but i usually opt not to trust my life to it and turn it off before bed then back on if needed in the night.
Title: Re: Using Wood Stove Early Elk?
Post by: Recurve-Elk on August 31, 2010, 09:04:10 PM: Are those cast iron stoves legal even during a burn ban out of curiosity?
Title: Re: Using Wood Stove Early Elk?
Post by: Tony on August 31, 2010, 09:23:30 PM: I am huntover at Little Naches also and the sign was up as of last weekend showing a burn ban in effect.
Title: Re: Using Wood Stove Early Elk?
Post by: sloperider on September 01, 2010, 03:26:54 AM: Ill be using a decent size tent, being able to use the wood stove would really make the 2 week trip more enjoyable. i have a little heater to use but just isn't the same. ill have to call naches forest service on my way over and hope for the best. thanks for all the input.
Title: Re: Using Wood Stove Early Elk?
Post by: gasman on September 01, 2010, 04:57:23 AM: Quote from: Recurve-Elk on August 31, 2010, 09:04:10 PM
Are those cast iron stoves legal even during a burn ban out of curiosity?

No.
Title: Re: Using Wood Stove Early Elk?
Post by: Recurve-Elk on September 01, 2010, 08:29:54 AM: Quote from: gasman on September 01, 2010, 04:57:23 AM
Quote from: Recurve-Elk on August 31, 2010, 09:04:10 PM
Are those cast iron stoves legal even during a burn ban out of curiosity?

No.

Thanks gas. Good to know. We have always just cranked up the propane heater, or cooker to warm the tent.
Title: Re: Using Wood Stove Early Elk?
Post by: LCG on September 01, 2010, 09:04:55 AM: Quote from: Recurve-Elk on August 31, 2010, 09:04:10 PM
Are those cast iron stoves legal even during a burn ban out of curiosity?

Depends on where you are. State DNR is legal.

King County and the state Department of Natural Resources enacted burn bans for the entire county and all state forestlands, including Tiger Mountain State Forest.

The bans go into effect Thursday and runs until Sept. 30. The state ban supersedes all other burn bans in effect on forestlands, except federal lands.

The dual directives apply to all outdoor burning, including previously permitted burns. Residents cannot burn forest or yard waste during the ban.

Monitor the status of the ban here.

The ban includes some exceptions.

Prescribed burns approved by the Department of Natural Resources can proceed. The agency could also approve other burns if applicants make a compelling case for exception.

Under the ban, campfires must be:

■Built in a metal or concrete fire pit, such as those in designated campgrounds
■Grow no larger than three feet across
■Located in a clear spot free from vegetation for at least 10 feet in a horizontal direction and a 20-foot vertical clearance from overhanging branches
■Attended at all times by someone with immediate access to a shovel and five gallons of water, or a connected and charged water hose
Title: Re: Using Wood Stove Early Elk?
Post by: smartazz171 on September 01, 2010, 12:51:52 PM: Quote from: LCG on September 01, 2010, 09:04:55 AM
Quote from: Recurve-Elk on August 31, 2010, 09:04:10 PM
Are those cast iron stoves legal even during a burn ban out of curiosity?

Depends on where you are. State DNR is legal.

King County and the state Department of Natural Resources enacted burn bans for the entire county and all state forestlands, including Tiger Mountain State Forest.

The bans go into effect Thursday and runs until Sept. 30. The state ban supersedes all other burn bans in effect on forestlands, except federal lands.

The dual directives apply to all outdoor burning, including previously permitted burns. Residents cannot burn forest or yard waste during the ban.

Monitor the status of the ban here.

The ban includes some exceptions.

Prescribed burns approved by the Department of Natural Resources can proceed. The agency could also approve other burns if applicants make a compelling case for exception.

Under the ban, campfires must be:

■Built in a metal or concrete fire pit, such as those in designated campgrounds
■Grow no larger than three feet across
■Located in a clear spot free from vegetation for at least 10 feet in a horizontal direction and a 20-foot vertical clearance from overhanging branches
■Attended at all times by someone with immediate access to a shovel and five gallons of water, or a connected and charged water hose

. If thAt is the official regLations, wood stoves would be ok to use! I have always used one even during bans and in camp grounds and never been told it wasn't alright. Granted thAt doesn't meAn anything either. But by those regs. They should be ok.
Title: Re: Using Wood Stove Early Elk?
Post by: gasman on September 01, 2010, 06:28:31 PM: My best advise would be to call teh land manager before you head out and get the word from the.

Better safe then sorry.
Title: Re: Using Wood Stove Early Elk?
Post by: ICEMAN on September 02, 2010, 05:38:44 AM: Why do alot of guys worry about keeping a tent warm all night? Never understood that one...
Title: Re: Using Wood Stove Early Elk?
Post by: Gamblin Guy on September 02, 2010, 07:42:00 AM: I checked on this a couple of years ago and called the Cle Elum Ranger District, was told I had to be able to turn the flame off which meant no wood stoves, no charcoal bbqs etc. If you dont have a propane heater, contact a rental store and ask to rent a tent heater. I use one to take the chill off in the morning and it will run you right out of the tent.
Title: Re: Using Wood Stove Early Elk?
Post by: LCG on September 02, 2010, 07:48:22 AM: Its pretty simple. Federal burn bans mean all burning even stoves except in their designated camp grounds. State DNR its legal in stoves and fire pits only. Both require the common sense tools 5g water and a shovel handy.

Don
Title: Re: Using Wood Stove Early Elk?
Post by: Recurve-Elk on September 02, 2010, 08:21:50 PM: Quote from: ICEMAN on September 02, 2010, 05:38:44 AM
Why do alot of guys worry about keeping a tent warm all night? Never understood that one...

not at night, during the evening before bed, or the mornings. Keeping a fire going through the night is a baaaad idea, on many fronts.
Title: Re: Using Wood Stove Early Elk?
Post by: br8kitoff on September 03, 2010, 04:52:26 PM: I've never seen it get below 30 degrees where I hunt during early season so I don't use it. But i do use it during deer(modern) and most stoves these days come with a spark arrestor...if not I would get one. And when it's 22 degrees out I like a warmer tent during the night....no different than having a fire going at home...just as safe IMHO not a bad idea. At that point it's personal preference.
Title: Re: Using Wood Stove Early Elk?
Post by: gasman on September 05, 2010, 07:06:52 PM: Burn ban lifted in the Wenatchee NF, burn away :IBCOOL: :IBCOOL: :IBCOOL: :IBCOOL: :IBCOOL: