Post by: Jamieb on September 05, 2010, 10:40:59 PM
Now I know why I haven't been seeing many deer in this area for the last month. I called in a new clearcut for about 20 minutes, about ready to leave I caught brown/movement about 50 yards away. A big tom sneaking in to get that screaming rabbit and I couldn't shoot it *&^%$#%@#.
Thats the first cougar I've called in, now he's probably going to be a little call shy.
Post by: lokidog on September 05, 2010, 10:45:16 PM
Post by: carpsniperg2 on September 05, 2010, 11:47:40 PM
Post by: 700xcr on September 06, 2010, 04:30:04 AM
Post by: gasman on September 06, 2010, 04:57:38 AM
Post by: turkey buster on September 06, 2010, 06:59:08 AM
Post by: Old Dog on September 06, 2010, 07:44:10 AM
Post by: Jamieb on September 06, 2010, 08:25:04 AM
I've been saying the same thing for several years now, but then you get the guys that say " go ahead, that will leave more for me".I would get on board if something was organized but come time to put in for special permits too many guys would get greedy hoping for better draw odds and buy their license, tags, and permit applications, it might even make the application sales numbers go up.
For years I've layed off the call from March 31'th until August/bear season, not so much so I wouldn't have to pass on a shot as much as I hate the Idea of educating a cougar to a call.
Post by: high country on September 06, 2010, 08:29:35 AM
I love to kill coyotes. I pretend they are wolves, makes me all giddy inside.
Post by: trotterlg on September 06, 2010, 09:14:27 AM
Post by: Jamieb on September 06, 2010, 09:27:43 AM
If it makes you feel better, Cats have short memories of calls, in three days he will come to it again. LarryIf thats the case then, I do feel a little better.
Post by: bowhunterforever on September 06, 2010, 03:07:12 PM
Post by: rainshadow1 on September 06, 2010, 03:48:56 PM
Post by: Jamieb on September 06, 2010, 04:07:11 PM
If I was using my electric call and decoy then I would have sat back and watched the show but I was using a mouth call. I was thinking that cougar would associate the sound of a wounded rabbit with a human now.
Post by: Jamieb on September 06, 2010, 04:09:39 PM
I've been hunting yotes for 25 years and this is the first time that I've had a cougar come it. I've had bobcats come in but never a cougar.
Post by: rainshadow1 on September 06, 2010, 04:30:37 PM
Seeing you was a bit of a "trauma" but not bad. I'd go with trotter on the 3 days and he won't remember or associate much of anything.
Post by: one-eyed Ross on September 07, 2010, 01:19:48 PM
Post by: Curly on September 07, 2010, 01:41:48 PM
if it makes you feel any better, I was on some usfw ground which has a bible of what you can shoot and where laws. I watched a coyote bask in the sun for 20 minutes at 50 paces........but he was on the wrong side of a bever pond thus breaking the shooting across a body of water verbage.
I love to kill coyotes. I pretend they are wolves, makes me all giddy inside.
I've never heard of that law, so I guess I would have illegally shot........
Post by: buglebrush on September 07, 2010, 01:42:02 PM
if it makes you feel any better, I was on some usfw ground which has a bible of what you can shoot and where laws. I watched a coyote bask in the sun for 20 minutes at 50 paces........but he was on the wrong side of a bever pond thus breaking the shooting across a body of water verbage.
I love to kill coyotes. I pretend they are wolves, makes me all giddy inside.
Hilarious! I especially look forward to killing my next coyote! :mgun2:
Post by: steeleywhopper on September 07, 2010, 01:53:35 PM
I guess you better get that bow and get after him. Here Kitty Kitty
Post by: nontypical176 on September 07, 2010, 02:37:40 PM
I spoke with the guy in charge of the cougar program for the WDFW. Here is some of the conversation:
After hounds were banned, they made cougar season longer, and lots more cats were being killed than hound hunters ever had.
The cats that were being killed were also more mature and younger cats move in to fill the voids left after that cat is killed. Younger cats use much smaller territories and are usually the cats that cause problems.
I asked him "Well if more cats were being killed, where are these new cats coming from?" They have no idea.
The only cougar studies that have ever been done in Washington have happened on the east side of the state, so any regulations that are enforced are generally because of things happening in the east.......Pretty stupid huh.
I told him that I was upset, Here on the western side of Washington, Hounds have been shut down, timber industries are keeping more locked gates, deer populations had been in decline and people have been seeing more and more cougars, but we are beeing regulated by what happens on the east side. And now we also have a shorter season.
He said "With out there being more money to study cats in the west which is very difficult anyhow, there isn't much hope for hunters. Too many people and organizations oppose predator hunting completely and unless they start taking public opinion by individual regions that hunters are out numbered.
He also said "We tried to put enough special cougar permits out there so that interested individuals can draw nearly every year."
I said take a better look at the numbers, your odds are more like 50/50 and if your not lucky they are much worse than that.
I didn't chew on him too much, because he talked with me for a good 45 minutes. He says most of our problem is environmental Wackydoos and there isn't a whole lot the WDFW can do about that.
Thought you all might be interested in that info.
Post by: rainshadow1 on September 07, 2010, 03:02:36 PM
The Archery, then Muzzleloader, then Rifle thing isn't failed logic. I mean, if someone wants to hunt elk or deer without a tag, they're going to. Not many laws can stop a poacher. The logic on that hasn't failed, it's just really quite lazy, and doesn't do much for the population control of the Lions... as demonstrated by Jamieb's call-in.
Speaking of population control, that's the reason they came up with that wonkie bio-Logic concerning the mature cats being killed (Suppoosedly by boot hunters but where are these "increased" harvest numbers????) then the young cats not having the instruction and guidance of the mature cats, thereby causing the problems. Interpret: It's not an overpopulation causing young cats to expand into neighborhoods and cause problems, it's a lack of Motherly Cougar education! (Which is the stupidest thing I've ever heard put forward by supposedly educated biologists.) One only needs to look at the payroll of WDFW next to the "biologist" titles to find a large concentration of "environmental wackydoos!"
Post by: buglebrush on September 07, 2010, 03:04:20 PM
:yeah:
Post by: stumprat on September 07, 2010, 04:55:39 PM
It wasn't until after the vote to outlaw hounds for Bear, Cougar, and Bobcat. That you could buy an over the counter Cougar tag.
Post by: Jamieb on September 07, 2010, 06:52:16 PM
The gated road That I've been rideing, glassing clearcuts, and calling in is long enough for me to spend the whole day in there, Sunday was my first daylight to dark trip in there and theres a couple of spots that I didnt make it to. I moved a couple of trail cams to game trails up on the ridge that I called in the cat on so maybee I'll at least get his picture.
Post by: Jamieb on September 07, 2010, 07:06:02 PM
Post by: spikehunter on September 07, 2010, 07:33:00 PM
Post by: Jamieb on September 07, 2010, 07:46:50 PM
HEY GASMAN U GOT IT RIGHT S.S.SI'm not about to look down on anybody for doing that (SSS), but I decided along time ago that I'm not going to pick and choose witch laws to follow and with laws to ignore.
Post by: buglebrush on September 07, 2010, 09:26:40 PM
JamieB I strap my bow horizontally to my daypack. It works great on my bike!
Post by: rickomatic on October 11, 2010, 04:48:58 PM
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There is a reason more cat's are being killed now than when hounds were legal for big game hunting. Back then cougar tags were drawn. Meaning you had to put in for the drawing.Are you sure? I thought I remembered buying over the counter "just in case" cougar and bear tags whenever I went deer hunting years ago. Of course, my rememberer isn't as sharp as it used to be.
Post by: stumprat on October 11, 2010, 04:51:56 PM
From the early eighties to 1996 Cougars were a drawing hunt.
Post by: billythekidrock on October 11, 2010, 04:57:24 PM
Interesting. I have never heard that the lack of "motherly eductation" was the problem. I wonder who came up with that?
Speaking of population control, that's the reason they came up with that wonkie bio-Logic concerning the mature cats being killed (Suppoosedly by boot hunters but where are these "increased" harvest numbers????) then the young cats not having the instruction and guidance of the mature cats, thereby causing the problems. Interpret: It's not an overpopulation causing young cats to expand into neighborhoods and cause problems, it's a lack of Motherly Cougar education! (Which is the stupidest thing I've ever heard put forward by supposedly educated biologists.) One only needs to look at the payroll of WDFW next to the "biologist" titles to find a large concentration of "environmental wackydoos!"
Everything I heard from F&G was that the older/larger toms were running the young out of the larger territories. Killing the larger toms would allow two or three younger cats to share or have their own area. :dunno:
Post by: WDFW-SUX on October 11, 2010, 05:02:48 PM
Post by: Special T on October 11, 2010, 05:38:02 PM
Post by: drysideshooter on October 11, 2010, 06:09:40 PM