Hunting Washington Forum
Big Game Hunting => Deer Hunting => Topic started by: bullchaser on September 06, 2010, 07:31:25 PM
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My brother and I were sitting on a remote ridge at 6300 feet glassing for high buck sat evening when asked me to look at this funky looking mountain goat hauling tail over a rock slide. we both got our scopes focused and at the same time said wolf!! we watched him for five minutes before we lost sight of him no doubt one lone big white wolf. sorry no pics.
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Great, There goes the elk :'( :'(
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could be one from the pack north of Chelan.... bummer.
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There have been wolves running around here for the past few years but they are pretty elusive.
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Thats news I didn't want to hear
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No surprise there...saw one up in Elk Heights during Turkey....he was traveling somewhere too.. :bash:
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:yike:
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Have you contacted our Dept of F&W?
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yes...much discussion at the time...
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when you were looking through the scopes, did you happen to pull the trigger :P
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damn wolves are all over the damn place now. Of corse it will take up deer and elk herds being shot before anything is done about them.
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If the anti-hunters can get them everywhere and keep them on the endangered species list they will eliminate the big game causing many hunters to quit. Same tactics involved as banning ammunition. If you don't have game to hunt you probably won't. There's only one way to prevent this. SSS
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If the hunters of this liberal state don't take this wolf subject seriously and maby even if they do, we are screwed. Honestly I believe even if everyone took up the SSS solution (which they should if they care about hunting and the elk and deer in our state) it's not going to help us to much. The elk hunting in this state is at it's peak starting now, from the point the first wolves stuck foot in our state we were doomed. Give it 8 to 10 years maby and they will be the ones keeping the elk numbers in check not us. Just my thought.
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Forgot to add at the end......SSS SSS SSS SSS SSS SSS SSS
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when you were looking through the scopes, did you happen to pull the trigger :P
:yeah:
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:chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: Some of you folks just crack me up :chuckle: :chuckle: You want to hang someone poaching a deer or elk, but advocate poaching a wolf :chuckle: :chuckle:
Hunterman(Tony)
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It's not poaching to me if it's a wolf, I would call it saving our way of life when it comes to hunting deer and elk in the state that we have invested a lot of money into our wildlife. We need to protect our wildlife from predators that have not been here in the past, period. SSS
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I hope I never have to face that dilemna again, with my bad luck I would pull the trigger drop the wolf and boom a nat geo camera crew comes out of the bushes.
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:chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: Some of you folks just crack me up :chuckle: :chuckle: You want to hang someone poaching a deer or elk, but advocate poaching a wolf :chuckle: :chuckle:
Hunterman(Tony)
:yeah:
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-That aint poaching, there yote's remember! Open year round!
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:chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: Some of you folks just crack me up :chuckle: :chuckle: You want to hang someone poaching a deer or elk, but advocate poaching a wolf :chuckle: :chuckle:
Hunterman(Tony)
:yeah:
:tdown:
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-That aint poaching, there yote's remember! Open year round!
:rockin: :brew:
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Saw one up in the Ingalls pass area during the high hunt a couple years ago. At long range it looked like a yote until I got the scope on him. Too many people to "disturb the area"....... :rolleyes: Definately a BAD thing for the area!
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I wish i could have shot him. I just hope it is not to late for washingtons wildlife before our game managers get in this fight. Anyone know the contact info for WDFW in the Teanaway
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They are a endangered species, so contact the Cle Elum Ranger District lead Biologist (National Forest Service). Also there is a WDFW office in Ellensburg or the regional office in Yakima. Most likely they will want to interview you, and take detailed description of where you saw it. Then they will maybe spend one day looking for it and just push it under the rug.
Brandon
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i woulda put it right behind his shoulder and squeezed off a couple........ :bdid:
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I would call it saving our way of life when it comes to hunting deer and elk in the state that we have invested a lot of money into our wildlife.
:salute:
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call me stupid but what is "SSS" ? :o
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call me stupid but what is "SSS" ? :o
used in rural communities usually with regards to stray dogs
shoot shovel shh or shutup ..... basically problem dogs are best quickly and quietly put them down and underground....
and for those who forget the middle part it really tics me off to have bury the problem you shot (on my property) so the neighbor doesn't accuse me :bash: :bash:
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makes sense ;) Thank you
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Hunterman... Poaching is determined by 2 things... those who wrote the rules and those who enforce them..
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I wish i could have shot him. I just hope it is not to late for washingtons wildlife before our game managers get in this fight. Anyone know the contact info for WDFW in the Teanaway
http://wdfw.wa.gov/conservation/gray_wolf/contacts.html (http://wdfw.wa.gov/conservation/gray_wolf/contacts.html)
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"They are a endangered species"
No, they are not, there are thousands in Canada.
And, they are not the same species that was originally or indigenous to the
United States.
Get rid of them now before we have the same problem Idaho has
in a few short years.
And yes, you can bet there well be less tags for us to go hunting.
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Maybe all the dirt bike riders will run the wolves out of the Teanaway unit just like they did us.
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It is quite apparant they don't care....they'll just say its the lookoutpack on a walkabout. They'll be in Tonasket the next day, sawtooth the next, then back to the Pasayten, and then maybe swing by the clockum on their way to the blues. What a crock.
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next time you see as far as you know it was a yote on steroids
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have they made it to the Rimrock area yet? when i was at oak creek feeding station a couple guys mentioned it, one even said he saw one on bethel ridge, crazy
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I imagine when the wolves start eating elk at the wintering feeding stations like Oak Creek and that place near the Teanaway in front of people, then matter will get more attention. I don't know how long it will take for the populations to flourish to that level but as I see it, that seems more likely each year.
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It's not poaching to me if it's a wolf, I would call it saving our way of life when it comes to hunting deer and elk in the state that we have invested a lot of money into our wildlife. We need to protect our wildlife from predators that have not been here in the past, period. SSS
:yeah:
Let em fly...... :mgun:
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Ray once wolves are out in the open where they are killing at feeding stations, we might win the battle. It will however be too late and we will have lost the war...
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Ray once wolves are out in the open where they are killing at feeding stations, we might win the battle. It will however be too late and we will have lost the war...
If they hit the feeding stations the NA might then pop a few. I'm sure they don't want competition hunting trophy bulls in the feeding stations.
Why would it be considered poaching an animal which is a political ploy and largely funded by the humain society. If you have deep pockets you can do what you want and penalize all that don't play your game. You have tree huggers that have released breeding hybrid pairs into the wild illegally along with those that have released wolf pairs illegally as well, but your not allowed to try to fix stupid. Just doesn't make sense. If they could clone T-rex's those guys would have those running around on the endangered species list.
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I think that SSS should be as guaranteed of a right to a hunter when it comes to wolves as freedom of speech is to all Americans. How is it that we can hunt hogs year around due to them being a nuisance, using the argument that they damage forage that supports the native animals and we can't have the same rules for a Canadian wolf? Oh, that is right, they skip the forage and go straight for the source and eat our elk calves and deer! Used to, Americans stood up for what they believed in and actually took action. That was years ago, probably long enough ago that most of us weren't around then. People quit doing that, so now what are we left with? Going to court because you pop an ignorant person in the mouth for doing or saying something they shouldn't have. You can go with the flow and by the rules and they don't get what they deserved or it costs you more. The same with the wolves situation. I personally believe (freedom of speech thing) that if you are too scared or good to SSS then you are cowering to the ECO's and a F&G that doesn't give a hoot!
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As far as F&W is concerned there are no wolves in the teanaway which means that you saw a "COYOTE". There are also no grizzlies in the Teanaway and Alpine Wilderness therefore you can shoot the 500+ pound blonde sow "BLACK BEAR" that has been seen. Thats how i interpret the game dept's response. Whack em and stack em!
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I would not sweat them too much, the folks I know do not welcome them much......and shoot pretty straight.
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Here's my solution: if I ever see a wolf while I have a gun with me, its dying simple as that, and I know allll of u would NEVER do such a thing, but I'm keepin it real, cuz as stated before, we used to just deal with probs ourselves, well I'm old-school, so ill deal with it myself if put in the situation
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That is wild!!! I have property there and I saw what I thought were huge coyote tracks up at the 4700 ft level last winter. The tracks were the size of a great dane or so. Never saw him, but got me thinking abit.
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it was a coyote ;), just use the .300 mag instead of you're varmit rifle!
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it was a coyote ;), just use the .300 mag instead of you're varmit rifle!
:yike: 8)
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:chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: Some of you folks just crack me up :chuckle: :chuckle: You want to hang someone poaching a deer or elk, but advocate poaching a wolf :chuckle: :chuckle:
Hunterman(Tony)
I was thinking the same thing when i got through the 1st page of this thread
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:chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: Some of you folks just crack me up :chuckle: :chuckle: You want to hang someone poaching a deer or elk, but advocate poaching a wolf :chuckle: :chuckle:
Hunterman(Tony)
I was thinking the same thing when i got through the 1st page of this thread
Well think about it. Are deer carniverous? Do they hunt in packs and kill for the thrill and not eat the entire animal? Poaching a predator that kills way more animals than it needs, is far different then poaching a deer. The wolf threatens MY passtime in the woods.
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:chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: Some of you folks just crack me up :chuckle: :chuckle: You want to hang someone poaching a deer or elk, but advocate poaching a wolf :chuckle: :chuckle:
Hunterman(Tony)
I was thinking the same thing when i got through the 1st page of this thread
Well think about it. Are deer carniverous? Do they hunt in packs and kill for the thrill and not eat the entire animal? Poaching a predator that kills way more animals than it needs, is far different then poaching a deer. The wolf threatens MY passtime in the woods.
I am sorry - I'm not a wolf advocate, far from it. My family runs a cow/calf operation in NE Oregon, it's a threat. But what you're saying is absolutely ridiculous... Because it affects YOUR hobby, it then make's it ok to break the law? Give me a break... I guess when something happens or occurs to my disliking than I have the right and ability to act without consequence? This is a dead horse I get it, but what bothers me the most are the attitudes of double standard. Right is right, wrong is wrong. Whether we like it or not, we have to follow these laws. What sort of example are we setting for the younger generations that may read this board - that it's ok to poach as long as you feel like it's the right thing?!
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:chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: Some of you folks just crack me up :chuckle: :chuckle: You want to hang someone poaching a deer or elk, but advocate poaching a wolf :chuckle: :chuckle:
Hunterman(Tony)
I was thinking the same thing when i got through the 1st page of this thread
Well think about it. Are deer carniverous? Do they hunt in packs and kill for the thrill and not eat the entire animal? Poaching a predator that kills way more animals than it needs, is far different then poaching a deer. The wolf threatens MY passtime in the woods.
I am sorry - I'm not a wolf advocate, far from it. My family runs a cow/calf operation in NE Oregon, it's a threat. But what you're saying is absolutely ridiculous... Because it affects YOUR hobby, it then make's it ok to break the law? Give me a break... I guess when something happens or occurs to my disliking than I have the right and ability to act without consequence? This is a dead horse I get it, but what bothers me the most are the attitudes of double standard. Right is right, wrong is wrong. Whether we like it or not, we have to follow these laws. What sort of example are we setting for the younger generations that may read this board - that it's ok to poach as long as you feel like it's the right thing?!
I never said it was right. AND...I never said I would do it. It is just my opinion. Wolves are a bad thing.
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Exactly. Set a good example.
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Is it poaching if our Native American brothers/sisters do the shooting?
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Is it poaching if our Native American brothers/sisters do the shooting?
Good Question. See Elk Hunting ...."good day for the tribes" that should answer it and it might just be no.
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Roger that Grainfed - and I didn't mean to accuse you as such. My rant was more along the lines that I don't feel there's a difference between poaching an unwanted predator vs a game animal. I hate wolves just as much as the next guy, but I'm looking at it from the action standpoint, not the content. :brew:
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I guess some potential shooters feel that the wolf is:
1) Not an endangered species. Reasoning - There are what? 60-80,00 of them in Canada and Alaska?
2) Destructive to other species, public and private property to the point where the law is merely an obstruction. Note - The ESA was put in place with reasonable justification, but the time has come to pass for justification to continue to keep the Gray Wolf on the list is what potential shooters might think.
3) Invasive species which should be treated just like any other invasive animal in the state's ecosystems.
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Is it poaching if our Native American brothers/sisters do the shooting?
:chuckle: :chuckle: there probably in the grey area
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I got back last week from my farmer friend in Colville. That's where I have been taking my daughter Deer hunting since she was four. So far, she's two for two the last two years at age nine and 10. Yes, I'm proud. I stopped in at the farm and noted a complete lack of deer in the fields where I usually see at least 100. The farmer told me there are wolves in the area now and they are decimating the deer. He won't let us hunt there anymore. We went there because it was safe for my daughter. They even had pictures for the Game Dept. The Game Dept refused to admit wolves were there and said the pics were of hybrids.
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Well seeing as there not wolves there good to shoot then. At least that the way it sounds?
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The Game Dept refused to admit wolves were there and said the pics were of hybrids.
Hybrids = shooters
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The Game Dept refused to admit wolves were there and said the pics were of hybrids.
Hybrids = shooters
:yeah: Not worth to see some Hybirds in Forest.
Mulehunter
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The Game Dept refused to admit wolves were there and said the pics were of hybrids.
Hybrids = shooters
That's what I figured but I would want some sort of written and signed document from the WDFW or the local game warden. That way if you were to shoot it and if it turn to out to be a wolf you shouldn't be able to get into legal trouble.
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:chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: Some of you folks just crack me up :chuckle: :chuckle: You want to hang someone poaching a deer or elk, but advocate poaching a wolf :chuckle: :chuckle:
Hunterman(Tony)
I was thinking the same thing when i got through the 1st page of this thread
Well think about it. Are deer carniverous? Do they hunt in packs and kill for the thrill and not eat the entire animal? Poaching a predator that kills way more animals than it needs, is far different then poaching a deer. The wolf threatens MY passtime in the woods.
I am sorry - I'm not a wolf advocate, far from it. My family runs a cow/calf operation in NE Oregon, it's a threat. But what you're saying is absolutely ridiculous... Because it affects YOUR hobby, it then make's it ok to break the law? Give me a break... I guess when something happens or occurs to my disliking than I have the right and ability to act without consequence? This is a dead horse I get it, but what bothers me the most are the attitudes of double standard. Right is right, wrong is wrong. Whether we like it or not, we have to follow these laws. What sort of example are we setting for the younger generations that may read this board - that it's ok to poach as long as you feel like it's the right thing?!
What Rosa parks did was illegal. A lot of the civil-rights movement was illegal. Are you saying it was wrong to break those laws? You can't always just conform. Sometimes you have to stand up for what you believe in. What's right.
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:chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: Some of you folks just crack me up :chuckle: :chuckle: You want to hang someone poaching a deer or elk, but advocate poaching a wolf :chuckle: :chuckle:
Hunterman(Tony)
I was thinking the same thing when i got through the 1st page of this thread
Well think about it. Are deer carniverous? Do they hunt in packs and kill for the thrill and not eat the entire animal? Poaching a predator that kills way more animals than it needs, is far different then poaching a deer. The wolf threatens MY passtime in the woods.
I am sorry - I'm not a wolf advocate, far from it. My family runs a cow/calf operation in NE Oregon, it's a threat. But what you're saying is absolutely ridiculous... Because it affects YOUR hobby, it then make's it ok to break the law? Give me a break... I guess when something happens or occurs to my disliking than I have the right and ability to act without consequence? This is a dead horse I get it, but what bothers me the most are the attitudes of double standard. Right is right, wrong is wrong. Whether we like it or not, we have to follow these laws. What sort of example are we setting for the younger generations that may read this board - that it's ok to poach as long as you feel like it's the right thing?!
What Rosa parks did was illegal. A lot of the civil-rights movement was illegal. Are you saying it was wrong to break those laws? You can't always just conform. Sometimes you have to stand up for what you believe in. What's right.
That's a joke, right?
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:chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: Some of you folks just crack me up :chuckle: :chuckle: You want to hang someone poaching a deer or elk, but advocate poaching a wolf :chuckle: :chuckle:
Hunterman(Tony)
I was thinking the same thing when i got through the 1st page of this thread
Well think about it. Are deer carniverous? Do they hunt in packs and kill for the thrill and not eat the entire animal? Poaching a predator that kills way more animals than it needs, is far different then poaching a deer. The wolf threatens MY passtime in the woods.
I am sorry - I'm not a wolf advocate, far from it. My family runs a cow/calf operation in NE Oregon, it's a threat. But what you're saying is absolutely ridiculous... Because it affects YOUR hobby, it then make's it ok to break the law? Give me a break... I guess when something happens or occurs to my disliking than I have the right and ability to act without consequence? This is a dead horse I get it, but what bothers me the most are the attitudes of double standard. Right is right, wrong is wrong. Whether we like it or not, we have to follow these laws. What sort of example are we setting for the younger generations that may read this board - that it's ok to poach as long as you feel like it's the right thing?!
What Rosa parks did was illegal. A lot of the civil-rights movement was illegal. Are you saying it was wrong to break those laws? You can't always just conform. Sometimes you have to stand up for what you believe in. What's right.
That's a joke, right?
not at all. Jim Crow laws used to be THE LAW. just because it's law doesn't mean it's right.
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Wow , I didn't Know the Wolf population was getting out of hand. So when Did they start slipping the wolves in to our state. I moved to Hawaii in 97 and did not see or hear about wolves being in washington then. I moved back to washington in 07 and there has been so much talk about the Wolves. I have noticed the elk and deer #s Have declined since I've been back. have not seen the amount of animals I used to see. I agree I shoot every yote Is see now I will Have to make sure i double check now . I feel if the wolves are the cause to the low Elk and Deer numbers than i think we should be able to take some of the wolves out. if the wolves get as bad as the Yotes then the state of Washington will be in big trouble. :twocents:
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"used to be"...
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:yeah:
"used to be"...
It's "used to be" because people realized the laws weren't right and stood up against them. Which meant breaking them for awhile until they were changed.
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I couuldn't agree with Grundy more!
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Kinda makes the "Ethical Hunting" debate a little more fuzzy huh? I think Grundy's analogy is a good one... Especially because it gets people fired up!