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Big Game Hunting => Deer Hunting => Topic started by: let.it.fly on September 07, 2010, 07:37:21 AM

Title: poacher in methow. (UPDATE 10SEPT10)
Post by: let.it.fly on September 07, 2010, 07:37:21 AM: anyone here about the poacher that was cought saturday night up cub creak rd in winthrop. im not gona say how i know or who called on this DB. but was just wondering if anyone heard it in the media. no points are going to be collected for this. familys personal safty is not worth any amount of points.

UPDATE

found out today that the guy got off scott free by faking a heart attack, even though he had weed and an untagged buck.
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Post by: BlackRidge on September 07, 2010, 10:17:21 AM: Google still doesnt know anything about it
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Post by: WDFW-SUX on September 07, 2010, 10:20:41 AM: lots of poaching up there..... who was it?
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Post by: the1rod on September 07, 2010, 11:38:54 AM: what did he poach? was it at least a wolf?
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Post by: let.it.fly on September 07, 2010, 11:42:48 AM: i wont say names but its has been multiple bucks while spot lighting. and using a rifle. maybe you have heard. a 17 hmr with a silencer. the police definetly caught him. just dont know what they got him on. he is a three time felon with atleast one weapons conviction.
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Post by: seth30 on September 07, 2010, 11:43:58 AM: SSS the mutha
Title: Re: poacher in methow.
Post by: k_rex on September 07, 2010, 11:47:53 AM: On saturday/sunday night I made my way down the road to a neighbors house just off of Twisp River Road and saw a truck spotlighting the alfalfa fields.
Title: Re: poacher in methow.
Post by: let.it.fly on September 07, 2010, 12:00:31 PM: yea, the property i hunt boarders a road that is off the beatin path. well there is an alfalfa plot there. sitting on friday night i cound over 20 diferent rigs that drove by and stopped to glass the deer in the field. a couple had obviously had sucess there that way since i would see them drive by about every 10 minutes all night long. i couldnt believe all the people who do this.
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Post by: micahash1 on September 07, 2010, 12:07:33 PM: I would norc out the rat *censored*. :bash: :bash: :bash: Then pray he would come to my house to pick a fight so I could poach him for trespassing. Spotlights work great on humans too :chuckle:
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Post by: Little Dave on September 07, 2010, 12:15:49 PM: Were these the guys with the two racks on the hood, at about the 2500 ft level? We drove by there about 4.
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Post by: wsucowboy on September 07, 2010, 12:16:59 PM: Glad they caught the *censored*.
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Post by: k_rex on September 07, 2010, 12:20:09 PM: I wouldn't mind a name drop....
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Post by: BlackRidge on September 07, 2010, 12:42:32 PM: Quote from: k_rex on September 07, 2010, 12:20:09 PM
I wouldn't mind a name drop....

Yea, why not..?
Title: Re: poacher in methow.
Post by: buglebrush on September 07, 2010, 12:44:03 PM: Let's not confuse poaching with spotlighting. Unless it is illegal in WA? :dunno: I hate poaching, but when I lived in Idaho we often went out spotlighting. It was a great time to look at bucks and the neat thing was that my little girls and wife could come along and see them too. I never had a weapon in the vehicle and if a landowner didn't like it we avoided that area. Also, on a sidenote an Indian shooting like 20 elk a year on NF land is Poaching IMO.
Title: Re: poacher in methow.
Post by: bigtex on September 07, 2010, 01:01:57 PM: Quote from: buglebrush on September 07, 2010, 12:44:03 PM
Let's not confuse poaching with spotlighting. Unless it is illegal in WA? :dunno: I hate poaching, but when I lived in Idaho we often went out spotlighting. It was a great time to look at bucks and the neat thing was that my little girls and wife could come along and see them too. I never had a weapon in the vehicle and if a landowner didn't like it we avoided that area. Also, on a sidenote an Indian shooting like 20 elk a year on NF land is Poaching IMO.

You bring up a very good point. Simply shinning a light into a field or onto an animal is not spotlighting. Spotlighting requires you to have an artificial light as well as some type of weapon. You would be perfectly legal driving on roads and shinning a light out into a field without having a weapon. Now I will admit that Okanogan County is definitely known for the illegal type of spotlighting throughout the year.
Title: Re: poacher in methow.
Post by: buglebrush on September 07, 2010, 01:21:17 PM: ya, it is so fustrating that idiots out there ruin it for everybody, but it happens.
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Post by: Buckoholic on September 07, 2010, 01:21:54 PM: I was going up Cub creek saturday night at about 11:00pm to meet up with some buddies that were staying up on banker pass off goat!! They were stopping all rigs and checking so I assume they got them saturday night!! They checked my truck and sent me on my way but they were looking for someone as they were 8 miles in!!! Hnag the poaching bas#$eds!!!
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Post by: MtnMuley on September 07, 2010, 04:16:15 PM: Good. Glad to hear they finally caught this/these guys. Been a long time coming.
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Post by: bobcat on September 07, 2010, 05:58:12 PM: Quote from: bigtex on September 07, 2010, 01:01:57 PM
You would be perfectly legal driving on roads and shinning a light out into a field without having a weapon.

Actually you would be legal doing that even with a weapon in the vehicle. Uness there is some law that I'm not aware of? How does having a weapon make shining a light on a deer illegal? It's the shooting of a deer with the use of a spotlight that is illegal. Not simply looking at it.
Title: Re: poacher in methow.
Post by: bigtex on September 07, 2010, 07:42:53 PM: Quote from: bobcat on September 07, 2010, 05:58:12 PM
Quote from: bigtex on September 07, 2010, 01:01:57 PM
You would be perfectly legal driving on roads and shinning a light out into a field without having a weapon.

Actually you would be legal doing that even with a weapon in the vehicle. Uness there is some law that I'm not aware of? How does having a weapon make shining a light on a deer illegal? It's the shooting of a deer with the use of a spotlight that is illegal. Not simply looking at it.

RCW 77.15.450
Spotlighting big game — Penalty.

(1) A person is guilty of spotlighting big game in the second degree if the person hunts big game with the aid of a spotlight, other artificial light, or night vision equipment while in possession or control of a firearm, bow and arrow, or cross bow. For purposes of this section, "night vision equipment" includes electronic light amplification devices, thermal imaging devices, and other comparable equipment used to enhance night vision.

(2) A person is guilty of spotlighting big game in the first degree if:

(a) The person has any prior conviction for gross misdemeanor or felony for a crime under this title involving big game including but not limited to subsection (1) of this section or RCW 77.15.410; and

(b) Within ten years of the date that such prior conviction was entered the person commits the act described by subsection (1) of this section.

(3)(a) Spotlighting big game in the second degree is a gross misdemeanor. Upon conviction, the department shall revoke all hunting licenses and tags and order a suspension of the person's hunting privileges for two years.

(b) Spotlighting big game in the first degree is a class C felony. Upon conviction, the department shall order suspension of all privileges to hunt wildlife for a period of ten years.

(4) A person convicted under this section shall be assessed a criminal wildlife penalty assessment as provided in RCW 77.15.420.
Title: Re: poacher in methow.
Post by: CheyTac on September 07, 2010, 07:59:42 PM: Quote from: bobcat on September 07, 2010, 05:58:12 PM
Quote from: bigtex on September 07, 2010, 01:01:57 PM
Actually you would be legal doing that even with a weapon in the vehicle. Uness there is some law that I'm not aware of? How does having a weapon make shining a light on a deer illegal? It's the shooting of a deer with the use of a spotlight that is illegal. Not simply looking at it.

:DOH:
Title: Re: poacher in methow.
Post by: grundy53 on September 07, 2010, 08:21:39 PM: I think I read about this in the court filings in the paper on Monday. I was in conconully and read the local paper. It said it was a 46 year old male. He had three firearms on him and some meth and he's a felon.
Title: Re: poacher in methow.
Post by: FC on September 07, 2010, 08:31:51 PM: Quote from: buglebrush on September 07, 2010, 12:44:03 PM
Let's not confuse poaching with spotlighting. It was a great time to look at bucks and the neat thing was that my little girls and wife could come along and see them too.

We used to do the same on a friends property in arlington all the time, it was amazing what you could find on his property in the dark by gridding the area with a spotlight from a hill. Loads of deer, possum and coyotes with a few porcupines and raccoons too.
Title: Re: poacher in methow.
Post by: grundy53 on September 07, 2010, 08:33:38 PM: And I think what cheytac is trying to say is you could get out of that cause in order to convict you they must prove intent. (i was told this by a warden. A sergeant not just a regular officer)
Title: Re: poacher in methow.
Post by: bobcat on September 07, 2010, 08:38:09 PM: bigtex, thanks for posting the law but I still don't see where it says you can't use a spotlight to look at a deer. I guess the key word in that would be "hunts" in "if the person hunts big game." It would hinge on what is the definition of "hunts." If a person has a firearm in the vehicle, that is not easily accessible, and unloaded, I don't see how they could say that you were hunting. What happens if a person is predator hunting at night using a spotlight, and happens to shine it on a deer?
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Post by: grundy53 on September 07, 2010, 08:43:26 PM: I agree with bobcat. They would have to be able to prove intent in order to get a conviction.
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Post by: Prime Time on September 07, 2010, 09:35:02 PM: There's a section in the regs that talks about predator hunting at night. If I remember right I believe it says that you cannot hunt predators during the night time when there is any modern firearm big game season in the unit you're in.
Title: Re: poacher in methow.
Post by: testar77 on September 07, 2010, 10:09:45 PM: Quote from: Prime Time on September 07, 2010, 09:35:02 PM
There's a section in the regs that talks about predator hunting at night. If I remember right I believe it says that you cannot hunt predators during the night time when there is any modern firearm big game season in the unit you're in.

That is correct, Not legal during modern firearm ONLY. I wouldnt take the chance of spotlighting with a weapon in the vehicle during modern firearm season. We used to watch deer at night during modern every year, we just made sure we didn't have any weapons around.
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Post by: buckhorn2 on September 07, 2010, 10:34:56 PM: I think it illegal to have a spotlight and firearm during the time of a big game season if there is no season then I think it is legal.
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Post by: spin05 on September 08, 2010, 12:15:30 AM: can it be considered harrassment possibly??????
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Post by: NWBREW on September 08, 2010, 12:21:50 AM: Quote from: spin05 on September 08, 2010, 12:15:30 AM
can it be considered harrassment possibly??????

That is my take on it. just my :twocents:
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Post by: spin05 on September 08, 2010, 12:25:09 AM: I thought i read that somewere,but cant find it.Maybe they have taken it out.. I think we all have done it atleast with headlights...
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Post by: grundy53 on September 08, 2010, 07:08:05 AM: either way your best bet is to just not have a gun with you.
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Post by: let.it.fly on September 08, 2010, 07:28:10 AM: Quote from: grundy53 on September 07, 2010, 08:21:39 PM
I think I read about this in the court filings in the paper on Monday. I was in conconully and read the local paper. It said it was a 46 year old male. He had three firearms on him and some meth and he's a felon.

that should be the one. i know he has taken atleast 4 bucks before the season started. they will search his house, and they will find many tagless bucks. dirtbag for sure. so they had road blocks up on cub creak at 11 pm. were they looking for violations or somone in particular?
Title: Re: poacher in methow.
Post by: MtnMuley on September 08, 2010, 07:55:06 AM: Yes it can be considered harrassment. Yes, you can spotlight deer when it is permitted. Having a gun in the rig to me would be a bad idea. Would this be harrassment?? That's totally up to the officer/warden at that time. Spotlighting is a commonly targeted subject. With vague laws, there will always be arguments on interpretations. My recommendation: Be prepared to explain exactly what you are doing and be courteous. With all this bullchit poaching at night going on, the officers/wardens will be on edge, and I don't blame them. :twocents:
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Post by: teal101 on September 08, 2010, 04:48:08 PM: Quote from: bigtex on September 07, 2010, 07:42:53 PM
Quote from: bobcat on September 07, 2010, 05:58:12 PM
Quote from: bigtex on September 07, 2010, 01:01:57 PM
You would be perfectly legal driving on roads and shinning a light out into a field without having a weapon.

Actually you would be legal doing that even with a weapon in the vehicle. Uness there is some law that I'm not aware of? How does having a weapon make shining a light on a deer illegal? It's the shooting of a deer with the use of a spotlight that is illegal. Not simply looking at it.

RCW 77.15.450
Spotlighting big game — Penalty.

(1) A person is guilty of spotlighting big game in the second degree if the person hunts big game with the aid of a spotlight, other artificial light, or night vision equipment while in possession or control of a firearm, bow and arrow, or cross bow. For purposes of this section, "night vision equipment" includes electronic light amplification devices, thermal imaging devices, and other comparable equipment used to enhance night vision.

(2) A person is guilty of spotlighting big game in the first degree if:

(a) The person has any prior conviction for gross misdemeanor or felony for a crime under this title involving big game including but not limited to subsection (1) of this section or RCW 77.15.410; and

(b) Within ten years of the date that such prior conviction was entered the person commits the act described by subsection (1) of this section.

(3)(a) Spotlighting big game in the second degree is a gross misdemeanor. Upon conviction, the department shall revoke all hunting licenses and tags and order a suspension of the person's hunting privileges for two years.

(b) Spotlighting big game in the first degree is a class C felony. Upon conviction, the department shall order suspension of all privileges to hunt wildlife for a period of ten years.

(4) A person convicted under this section shall be assessed a criminal wildlife penalty assessment as provided in RCW 77.15.420.

Having a gun in the truck is possession. Dont spotlight deer with a gun in your rig, simple as that.

IIRC it's also illegal to hunt predators by spotlight during big game seasons.
Title: Re: poacher in methow.
Post by: bobcat on September 08, 2010, 04:53:13 PM: It says "if the person hunts big game................while in possession or control of a firearm"

If you are not hunting, but just looking at deer with a light, you can have a firearm in your vehicle.

Isn't it only illegal to hunt predators with spotlights during modern firearm big game seasons?
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Post by: WSU on September 08, 2010, 05:36:09 PM: RCW 77.08.010(53) defines "to hunt" and its derivatives as: an effort to kill, injure, capture, or harass a wild animal or wild bird.

Assuming this is the definition that applies, it appears that there would have to be evidence that you were "hunting."
Title: Re: poacher in methow.
Post by: bigtex on September 08, 2010, 08:48:14 PM: Quote from: WSU on September 08, 2010, 05:36:09 PM
RCW 77.08.010(53) defines "to hunt" and its derivatives as: an effort to kill, injure, capture, or harass a wild animal or wild bird.

Assuming this is the definition that applies, it appears that there would have to be evidence that you were "hunting."

Well you would have to ask if simply shinning a light in the animals eyes is harassement. Because according to the statute, harassing an animal is hunting...
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Post by: seth30 on September 08, 2010, 08:57:31 PM: does throwing rocks at crows count as poaching :rolleyes:
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Post by: bobcat on September 08, 2010, 10:39:58 PM: Quote from: seth30 on September 08, 2010, 08:57:31 PM
does throwing rocks at crows count as poaching :rolleyes:

:chuckle:
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Post by: GrainfedMuley on September 09, 2010, 08:06:54 AM: Quote from: bobcat on September 07, 2010, 05:58:12 PM
Quote from: bigtex on September 07, 2010, 01:01:57 PM
You would be perfectly legal driving on roads and shinning a light out into a field without having a weapon.

Actually you would be legal doing that even with a weapon in the vehicle. Uness there is some law that I'm not aware of? How does having a weapon make shining a light on a deer illegal? It's the shooting of a deer with the use of a spotlight that is illegal. Not simply looking at it.

Having both items in a vehicle constitutes as "constructive intent". If you have both item you have the "possiblity" of poaching. I have heard people getting cited for that very thing. It is like you own an AR15 that shoots semi auto, but you have some M16 parts sitting on the bench. The gun is perfectly legal but with the parts in you possesion, The ATF says you have constructive intent to make a machinegun. You can be prosecuted for that.
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Post by: let.it.fly on September 09, 2010, 08:09:42 AM: its funny to me that this has turned into a debate about the legality of spotlighting. the man was a known poacher. this guy will kill 10-15 deer/elk a year. good thing he has been stopped.
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Post by: ratherhunt on September 09, 2010, 02:00:54 PM: Glad they caught the poachers but I am pretty sure its legal to spot light fields at night as long as there are no guns in vehicle, I know we used to do this when i was a kid in Winthrop it was allot of fun looking at all the big mule deer in the fields. I probably would not do it now just in case it was illegal somehow.
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Post by: huntinkid20 on September 09, 2010, 04:40:00 PM: i was just headed up to set up camp for the weekend saturday night up cub creek. I think i started up the road arount 10 pm. I followed a gamie all the way up to my camp, he kept going. My buddy and i figured someting was probably going down as we also saw the marshall patrolling nearby as well. Glad they caught a poacher.
Title: Re: poacher in methow. (UPDATE 10SEPT10)
Post by: let.it.fly on September 10, 2010, 11:56:46 AM: i found out today that the guy got off scott free even with an untagged buck and weed by faking a heart attack. all the guns were registered to his son who was with him.
Title: Re: poacher in methow. (UPDATE 10SEPT10)
Post by: pods8 on September 10, 2010, 12:01:55 PM: What? How does faking a heart attack lead to dropped charges?
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Post by: Earshot on September 10, 2010, 12:03:03 PM: No way, that's not right! >:(
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Post by: wsucowboy on September 10, 2010, 12:03:48 PM: that's a bunch of crap!
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Post by: medic6 on September 10, 2010, 12:10:35 PM: Faking a medical condition or demanding an ambulance does not mean dropped charges if your guilty. I see it all the time :bdid:
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Post by: JackOfAllTrades on September 10, 2010, 12:18:30 PM: Too bad they don't actually get arrested for this sort of thing.... http://okanogansheriff.org/logs/booking.pdf (http://okanogansheriff.org/logs/booking.pdf)
Title: Re: poacher in methow. (UPDATE 10SEPT10)
Post by: WDFW-SUX on September 10, 2010, 12:27:55 PM: 09/02/10 2200 KLEIN, KAL LOUISE 52849 29

W M

HUNTING BIG GAME W/O LICENSE CHRISTENSON DFW D
" " " " " " " UNLAWFUL PURCHASE OF HUNTING LICENSE CHRISTENSON DFW D
" " " " " " " OBSTRUCTING CHRISTENSON DFW D
" " " " " " " HUNTING WHILE REVOKED 2ND CHRISTENSON DFW D
" " " " " " " DWLS/R 3RD CHRISTENSON DFW D
" " " " " " " THURSTON CO WRT FTP CHILD SUPPORT CHRISTENSON OTHER

:chuckle:
Title: Re: poacher in methow. (UPDATE 10SEPT10)
Post by: JackOfAllTrades on September 10, 2010, 12:33:39 PM: Kind of my point! I think charges will still be pressed even if he did fake a medical emergency.

Sounds like a real fricken winner!

-Steve
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Post by: boneaddict on September 10, 2010, 12:41:41 PM: I thought that was very political Jack. :chuckle:
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Post by: boneaddict on September 10, 2010, 12:42:01 PM: and where is his myspace link. :chuckle:
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Post by: JackOfAllTrades on September 10, 2010, 12:57:11 PM: Politics is NOT my strong suit. One of the major reasons I left the medical community (IT). Now I find myself in a place where politics are worse! I hide in my office, play my classic rock, get my job done and go home.

-Steve
Title: Re: poacher in methow. (UPDATE 10SEPT10)
Post by: burrheadcountry on September 10, 2010, 05:10:26 PM: Arizona should look into him also. Looks as if he has resided in a few different cities here in Washington and maybe Arizona for a time.

ReportType=1&qf=kal&qmi=l&qn=Klein&qs=&trackit=74&focusfirst=1 (http://ReportType=1&qf=kal&qmi=l&qn=Klein&qs=&trackit=74&focusfirst=1)
Title: Re: poacher in methow. (UPDATE 10SEPT10)
Post by: ICEMAN on September 10, 2010, 06:24:21 PM: Looks like he knows the inside of a courthouse....

Klein, Kal L
Judgment Debtor Thurston Superior 04-9-22335-3 10-28-2004
2 Klein, Kal L
Defendant Thurston Superior 04-2-22335-8 10-28-2004
3 Klein, Kal L
Respondent King Co Superior Ct 00-3-00543-5 03-21-2000
4 Klein, Kal Louise
Respondent Thurston Superior 06-3-00521-1 05-11-2006
5 Klein, Kal Louise
Judgment Debtor Pierce Co Superior 93-9-01036-3 02-03-1993
6 Klein, Kal Louise
Defendant Pierce Co Superior 96-1-01699-5 04-29-1996
7 Klein, Kal Louise
Defendant Kcdc-so Div (auk) 6921 07-31-1989
8 Klein, Kal Louise
Defendant Roy Municipal Court C00001239 02-03-2003
9 Klein, Kal Louise
Judgment Debtor Pierce Co Superior 96-9-04308-8 05-20-1996
10 Klein, Kal Louise
Defendant Pierce Co District 96C003959 11-07-1996
11 Klein, Kal Louise
Defendant Kcdc-so Div (rdc) C00179963 07-22-1996
12 Klein, Kal Louise
Defendant Auburn Municipal C00052338 03-17-1995
13 Klein, Kal Louise
Defendant Okanogan County Dist L00208006 09-03-2010
14 Klein, Kal Louise
Defendant Okanogan County Dist L00208005 09-03-2010
15 Klein, Kal Louise
Defendant Okanogan County Dist L00208007 09-03-2010
Title: Re: poacher in methow. (UPDATE 10SEPT10)
Post by: bobcat on September 10, 2010, 06:31:04 PM: His middle name is Lousie? Isn't that a female name? Maybe this is why he's so screwed up. :dunno:
Title: Re: poacher in methow. (UPDATE 10SEPT10)
Post by: ICEMAN on September 10, 2010, 06:36:20 PM: Reminds me of the song "Boy named Sue..."
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Post by: DOUBLELUNG on September 10, 2010, 08:02:51 PM: Wow, poor sad misunderstood soul. Let's give him a few $k of taxpayers' money, and send him for rehabiltation to - oh, say -North Waziristan.
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Post by: Grizzly95 on September 10, 2010, 08:28:46 PM: There is an open room in Walla Walla now.
Title: Re: poacher in methow. (UPDATE 10SEPT10)
Post by: let.it.fly on September 13, 2010, 07:14:06 AM: not the one. there wwere no names in the police report. there is a report though. no charges filed.

Quote from: WDFW-SUX on September 10, 2010, 12:27:55 PM
09/02/10 2200 KLEIN, KAL LOUISE 52849 29

W M

HUNTING BIG GAME W/O LICENSE CHRISTENSON DFW D
" " " " " " " UNLAWFUL PURCHASE OF HUNTING LICENSE CHRISTENSON DFW D
" " " " " " " OBSTRUCTING CHRISTENSON DFW D
" " " " " " " HUNTING WHILE REVOKED 2ND CHRISTENSON DFW D
" " " " " " " DWLS/R 3RD CHRISTENSON DFW D
" " " " " " " THURSTON CO WRT FTP CHILD SUPPORT CHRISTENSON OTHER

:chuckle:
Title: Re: poacher in methow. (UPDATE 10SEPT10)
Post by: MtnMuley on September 13, 2010, 08:03:11 AM: I was waiting for that update. Klein was charged on the 2nd of Sept. This other incident happened on the 4th late in the evening.....correct?
Title: Re: poacher in methow. (UPDATE 10SEPT10)
Post by: burrheadcountry on September 13, 2010, 09:37:27 PM: Let me get this clear. Klein in not the guy you are referring to? And the guy you are talking about is a convicted felon and in possession of a firearm and an illegal buck. Faked a heart attack and got off. >:(
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Post by: BoomWhop on September 13, 2010, 10:02:55 PM: :yeah:
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Post by: pods8 on September 14, 2010, 07:38:25 AM: I think some more clear details on who and how they got away is in order and WDFW needs to answer for it if he was released...
Title: Re: poacher in methow. (UPDATE 10SEPT10)
Post by: let.it.fly on September 14, 2010, 08:04:52 AM: ok it was on saturday the the forth. cub creak rd in winthrop. between 8 and 10 pm. i have seen the incident report wich has no names. so telling you a name will do nothing but put my family in danger.
the man was bragging about how he got off by faking a heart attack. his son said the had weed on them and an un tagged buck. all the guns were in his sons name, so the adult male who is a felon is not at fault for weapons violation.
Title: Re: poacher in methow. (UPDATE 10SEPT10)
Post by: Mud Racer on September 14, 2010, 10:04:06 PM: In regards to using a spotlight around 1989 I was in Stevens County hunting a new area. A friend of mine took me up there and we met with one of his friends who was in the Army but grew up in that area. We left in two different vehicles after leaving his parents house and he shined his spotlight in a neighbors field to show us all the bucks really quick doing probably 30 MPH for just a few seconds. :bdid: 2 or 3 miles down the road Fish and Wildlife was all over us. The threatened to arrest us, confiscate all of our gear etc.. If it hadn't been for us being all military and one guy growing up there I believe they would have put us through the ringer (Cleaning up what I really want to say). As far as I know using a spotlight to look for animals is illegal in Washington state.
Title: Re: poacher in methow. (UPDATE 10SEPT10)
Post by: grundy53 on September 15, 2010, 05:56:13 AM: Quote from: Mud Racer on September 14, 2010, 10:04:06 PM
In regards to using a spotlight around 1989 I was in Stevens County hunting a new area. A friend of mine took me up there and we met with one of his friends who was in the Army but grew up in that area. We left in two different vehicles after leaving his parents house and he shined his spotlight in a neighbors field to show us all the bucks really quick doing probably 30 MPH for just a few seconds. :bdid: 2 or 3 miles down the road Fish and Wildlife was all over us. The threatened to arrest us, confiscate all of our gear etc.. If it hadn't been for us being all military and one guy growing up there I believe they would have put us through the ringer (Cleaning up what I really want to say). As far as I know using a spotlight to look for animals is illegal in Washington state.

It's legal. They were just harassing you so you wouldn't do it again. The reason they didn't put you through the ringer is because its not illegal.
Title: Re: poacher in methow. (UPDATE 10SEPT10)
Post by: MtnMuley on September 15, 2010, 07:59:26 AM: Quote from: grundy53 on September 15, 2010, 05:56:13 AM
Quote from: Mud Racer on September 14, 2010, 10:04:06 PM
In regards to using a spotlight around 1989 I was in Stevens County hunting a new area. A friend of mine took me up there and we met with one of his friends who was in the Army but grew up in that area. We left in two different vehicles after leaving his parents house and he shined his spotlight in a neighbors field to show us all the bucks really quick doing probably 30 MPH for just a few seconds. :bdid: 2 or 3 miles down the road Fish and Wildlife was all over us. The threatened to arrest us, confiscate all of our gear etc.. If it hadn't been for us being all military and one guy growing up there I believe they would have put us through the ringer (Cleaning up what I really want to say). As far as I know using a spotlight to look for animals is illegal in Washington state.

It's legal. They were just harassing you so you wouldn't do it again. The reason they didn't put you through the ringer is because its not illegal.

:yeah:
Title: Re: poacher in methow. (UPDATE 10SEPT10)
Post by: DeerHarvester on September 15, 2010, 08:39:55 AM: Quote from: let.it.fly on September 14, 2010, 08:04:52 AM
ok it was on saturday the the forth. cub creak rd in winthrop. between 8 and 10 pm. i have seen the incident report wich has no names. so telling you a name will do nothing but put my family in danger.
the man was bragging about how he got off by faking a heart attack. his son said the had weed on them and an un tagged buck. all the guns were in his sons name, so the adult male who is a felon is not at fault for weapons violation.

Which agencies case report did you read? Most of your information appears to be false. The man did not fake a heart attack as I can verify lifeline aid crews did not respond and you can guarantee aid would have been there if he was claiming heart attack. No animals where recovered either.
Title: Re: poacher in methow. (UPDATE 10SEPT10)
Post by: let.it.fly on September 15, 2010, 08:45:50 AM: Quote from: DeerHarvester on September 15, 2010, 08:39:55 AM
Quote from: let.it.fly on September 14, 2010, 08:04:52 AM
ok it was on saturday the the forth. cub creak rd in winthrop. between 8 and 10 pm. i have seen the incident report wich has no names. so telling you a name will do nothing but put my family in danger.
the man was bragging about how he got off by faking a heart attack. his son said the had weed on them and an un tagged buck. all the guns were in his sons name, so the adult male who is a felon is not at fault for weapons violation.

Which agencies case report did you read? Most of your information appears to be false. The man did not fake a heart attack as I can verify lifeline aid crews did not respond and you can guarantee aid would have been there if he was claiming heart attack. No animals where recovered either.

i heard what he got away with from one of his family members who happened to be in his truck at the time.
Title: Re: poacher in methow. (UPDATE 10SEPT10)
Post by: bigtex on September 15, 2010, 09:31:17 AM: Quote from: let.it.fly on September 15, 2010, 08:45:50 AM
Quote from: DeerHarvester on September 15, 2010, 08:39:55 AM
Quote from: let.it.fly on September 14, 2010, 08:04:52 AM
ok it was on saturday the the forth. cub creak rd in winthrop. between 8 and 10 pm. i have seen the incident report wich has no names. so telling you a name will do nothing but put my family in danger.
the man was bragging about how he got off by faking a heart attack. his son said the had weed on them and an un tagged buck. all the guns were in his sons name, so the adult male who is a felon is not at fault for weapons violation.

Which agencies case report did you read? Most of your information appears to be false. The man did not fake a heart attack as I can verify lifeline aid crews did not respond and you can guarantee aid would have been there if he was claiming heart attack. No animals where recovered either.

i heard what he got away with from one of his family members who happened to be in his truck at the time.
Having worked in law enforcement I know people will use all kinds of excuses to try and get out of a ticket and/or arrest. It is amazing how many people claim to be having a heart attack once they find out they are being cited, but when aid comes (which is required once you tell an officer you are having a medical issue) the medical responders say there is no evidence of a heart attack. People claiming to have cancer or having a heart attack are probably the two most common "false excuses" we see. And guess what, if somebody lies about it the officer will usually find other charges to file on them. No officer would ever let a person get away with "faking" a aheart attack.

I am sorry but I do not believe your story
Title: Re: poacher in methow. (UPDATE 10SEPT10)
Post by: DeerHarvester on September 15, 2010, 09:33:54 AM: Sounds like he is making up a good story to tell his buds. I know one of the officers involved and this guy (or both of them) would have went to jail if they had enough on him. Doesn't mean he won't be charged either they just didn't have enough at the time.