Post by: Big w on September 24, 2010, 05:29:58 PM
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On Saturday, August 28, 2010, two black bears were illegally poached in North Cascades National Park, west of the Maple Pass Trail on the flank of Corteo Peak. The hunters, two adult males with two adolescents, were dressed in hunter orange. They are believed to have packed out both bear remains down the Heather Pass / Lake Ann side of the loop to the Rainy Pass Trailhead that afternoon.
The NPS is seeking information. If you observed them on the Maple Pass Trail or in the parking, or have any information about this poaching case, please call NCNP dispatch at 360-854-7249.
In addition the Humane Society of the United States is offering a $2500 reward for information leading to the arrest and conviction of the people responsible.
Thank you for any help.
Post by: ICEMAN on September 24, 2010, 06:44:54 PM
http://www.nps.gov/noca/parknews/newsreleases.htm (http://www.nps.gov/noca/parknews/newsreleases.htm)
Post by: denali on September 24, 2010, 06:48:52 PM
Post by: CAMPMEAT on September 24, 2010, 07:53:07 PM
How about this : 2 hippies killing carrots in their organic garden. Reward offered by " REDNECKS OF AMERICA ". :hunter:
Post by: MikeWalking on September 24, 2010, 08:02:59 PM
How many poachers wear Blaze Orange?
Post by: MikeWalking on September 24, 2010, 08:19:09 PM
Post by: Big w on September 24, 2010, 08:19:17 PM
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How many poachers wear Blaze Orange?
Thats why i am thinking they did not know that the were over the boundary into NCNP. Does not matter though, they should of known where the boundary was and i hope they get caught.
I am guessing they have the evidence they were in the park, like the kill site.
Post by: robescc on September 25, 2010, 01:53:36 AM
Post by: Big w on September 25, 2010, 12:28:15 PM
Post by: Lowedog on September 25, 2010, 01:19:21 PM
Post by: saylean on September 25, 2010, 01:24:53 PM
If they did poach, hang em high. Innocent until proven guilty.
Post by: skier2480 on September 25, 2010, 03:33:07 PM
I wouldn't use money from the Humane Society of America to wipe my ass with. While I think the hunters should be busted if this is true WTF does this have to do with the Humane Society? They better have proof that the bears were killed in the park. It isn't illegal to pack them out through the park is it?Not that I'm aware of. If it is I'll have to stop doing it. One of my favorite hunting areas I have to hike through the park to get to the winderness area.
Post by: MikeWalking on September 25, 2010, 03:36:53 PM
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I wouldn't use money from the Humane Society of America to wipe my ass with. While I think the hunters should be busted if this is true WTF does this have to do with the Humane Society? They better have proof that the bears were killed in the park. It isn't illegal to pack them out through the park is it?
No I'm sure it isn't. But if they weren't in the Park they shouldn't have needed to go through. Money from the HSUS? It would sure buy a lot of Steaks & a new rifle.. :chuckle:
Post by: bigtex on September 25, 2010, 06:17:54 PM
It isn't illegal to pack them out through the park is it?
The National Park system is really weird in that their laws are set by each park supervisor rather then a legislative branch, so what is allowed at Mt Rainier might not be allowed at North Cascades or Olympic. I have never heard of any type of regulation at any of the Nat. Parks in WA, but I wouldn't be surprised if there was a park that didn't allow you to "transport wildlife". It is just like how commercial vehicles are prohibited on SR 410 thru Mt. Rainier Park but allowed in other National Parks.
Post by: Cylvertip on September 26, 2010, 01:21:38 PM
I wouldn't use money from the Humane Society of America to wipe my ass with. While I think the hunters should be busted if this is true WTF does this have to do with the Humane Society? They better have proof that the bears were killed in the park. It isn't illegal to pack them out through the park is it?Not that I'm aware of. If it is I'll have to stop doing it. One of my favorite hunting areas I have to hike through the park to get to the winderness area.
Be careful going through the park ( may not be allowed with a bow for example) and you better check with the park ranger in that neck of the woods on packing out through the park. From what I just leaned over on the coast, packing out through the park is a big no no, but that was the coast... Better check to be safe.
Post by: CAMPMEAT on September 27, 2010, 07:22:20 AM
I do.
Post by: KopperBuck on September 27, 2010, 11:50:22 AM
It took effect this year, I think February..
Post by: Cylvertip on September 27, 2010, 02:55:41 PM
Post by: CAMPMEAT on September 27, 2010, 03:42:45 PM
Post by: Ray on September 27, 2010, 04:06:51 PM
Post by: Big w on September 28, 2010, 12:33:48 PM
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September 27, 2010
Reward Offered in Bear Poaching in North Cascades National Park in Washington
The Humane Society of the United States and The Humane Society Wildlife Land Trust are offering a reward of up to $2,500 for information leading to the identification, arrest and conviction of the person or persons responsible for illegally killing two black bears off of Highway 20 in North Cascades National Park.
The Case:
According to the National Park Service, on Aug. 28, hikers on the Maple Pass Loop trail near Washington Pass observed two male adults and two male adolescents posing for pictures with two bears they had killed. One of the dead bears was later discovered with gunshot wounds by park rangers in the area. Hunting is prohibited within the park’s boundaries.
“Tips from the public can play an incredibly important role in solving poaching cases, and we implore anyone with information about this incident to come forward,” said Dan Paul, Washington state director for The HSUS. “The Humane Society of the United States thanks the National Park Service for their investigation of this crime.”
Post by: Lowedog on September 28, 2010, 01:51:10 PM
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According to the National Park Service, on Aug. 28, hikers on the Maple Pass Loop trail near Washington Pass observed two male adults and two male adolescents posing for pictures with two bears they had killed. One of the dead bears was later discovered with gunshot wounds by park rangers in the area.
So they left one of the bears??? :dunno:
Not sure that anyone thinks it is a joke but what Ray said is probably why you are getting the responses that you are.
Innocent until proven guilty. Likely the hikers do not have the full or correct story. Many hunters going after bears when deer or elk is not open for modern firearm would not be wearing orange. Second, as previously stated, poachers probably would not be wearing orange. Third, traveling in and out of a park wearing orange is not a crime. Fourth, where's the tangible evidence? All hearsay. Having said all that, hang em high if they are guilty of crime.
Post by: grundy53 on September 28, 2010, 01:53:29 PM
This has been confirmed with the ranger district, i don't know why you guys seem to think it is a joke. Here is a little more info.QuoteSeptember 27, 2010
Reward Offered in Bear Poaching in North Cascades National Park in Washington
The Humane Society of the United States and The Humane Society Wildlife Land Trust are offering a reward of up to $2,500 for information leading to the identification, arrest and conviction of the person or persons responsible for illegally killing two black bears off of Highway 20 in North Cascades National Park.
The Case:
According to the National Park Service, on Aug. 28, hikers on the Maple Pass Loop trail near Washington Pass observed two male adults and two male adolescents posing for pictures with two bears they had killed. One of the dead bears was later discovered with gunshot wounds by park rangers in the area. Hunting is prohibited within the park’s boundaries.
“Tips from the public can play an incredibly important role in solving poaching cases, and we implore anyone with information about this incident to come forward,” said Dan Paul, Washington state director for The HSUS. “The Humane Society of the United States thanks the National Park Service for their investigation of this crime.”
the fact that there is an investigation was confirmed. not that they were poached...
Post by: blacktailer on September 28, 2010, 02:57:36 PM
HSUS has a history of publicizing false information in an effort to raise money. They do not operate a single pet shelter or pet adoption facility anywhere in the U.S. HSUS spends millions on programs that seek to economically cripple meat and dairy producers; eliminate the use of animals in biomedical research labs; phase out pet breeding, zoos, and circus animal acts; and demonize hunters as crazed lunatics.
Additional information to understand about HSUS:
1. During 2006, HSUS contributed only 4.2 percent of its budget to organizations that operate hands-on dog and cat shelters. In reality, HSUS is a wealthy animal-rights lobbying organization (the largest and richest) that agitates for the same goals as PETA and other radical groups.
2. HSUS raised money online with the false promise that it would "care for the dogs in the Michael Vick case." The New York Times later reported HSUS wasn't caring for Vick's dogs at all. HSUS president Wayne Pacelle told the Times that his group recommended that government officials "put down" the dogs rather than try to adopt them out.
3. HSUS senior management team includes a former spokesman for the Animal Liberation Front (ALF), a criminal group designated as "terrorists" by the FBI.
4. Less than 12 percent of money raised for HSUS by California telemarketers actually ends up in HSUS's bank account. The rest is kept by professional fundraisers.
5. HSUS raised a reported $34 million in the wake of Hurricane Katrina, supposedly to help reunite lost pets with their owners. Little of that money was spent for its intended purpose. Public disclosures of the disposition of the $34 million in Katrina-related donations add up to less than $7 million.
6. “I don’t have a hands-on fondness for animals…To this day I don’t feel bonded to any non-human animal. I like them and I pet them and I’m kind to them, but there’s no special bond between me and other animals.” Wayne Pacelle, of the Humane Society of the United States, quoted in Bloodties: Nature, Culture and the Hunt by Ted Kerasote, 1993, p. 251.
7. “The life of an ant and that of my child should be granted equal consideration.” — HSUS senior scholar Michael W. Fox
So when did the National Park Service team up with the Human Society. I'll probably get blasted for this, but knowing that HSUS is involved and will use this case (if found guilty) to further harm our rights as spotrsmen, I would keep my mouth shut if I knew anything. They can keep their $2,500!!!
Post by: BlackRidge on September 28, 2010, 02:58:21 PM
This has been confirmed with the ranger district, i don't know why you guys seem to think it is a joke. Here is a little more info.QuoteSeptember 27, 2010
Reward Offered in Bear Poaching in North Cascades National Park in Washington
The Humane Society of the United States and The Humane Society Wildlife Land Trust are offering a reward of up to $2,500 for information leading to the identification, arrest and conviction of the person or persons responsible for illegally killing two black bears off of Highway 20 in North Cascades National Park.
The Case:
According to the National Park Service, on Aug. 28, hikers on the Maple Pass Loop trail near Washington Pass observed two male adults and two male adolescents posing for pictures with two bears they had killed. One of the dead bears was later discovered with gunshot wounds by park rangers in the area. Hunting is prohibited within the park’s boundaries.
“Tips from the public can play an incredibly important role in solving poaching cases, and we implore anyone with information about this incident to come forward,” said Dan Paul, Washington state director for The HSUS. “The Humane Society of the United States thanks the National Park Service for their investigation of this crime.”
Ok, it got relayed by the NPS and on to the Humane Society.... That doesn't mean those who started the whole thing were aware of what was actually happening. Not many facts involved to back everything up, so its looking more like a few hikers making a mountain out of a potentially harmless molehill.
:twocents:
Post by: whacker1 on September 28, 2010, 03:10:09 PM
Anyway - If they are guilty hang them high, but in the mean time they are innocent until proven guilty. I don't have any information and haven't been in that area for many years. I do understand it is a serious accusation, and hope that it is resolved.
Post by: Big w on September 28, 2010, 08:33:30 PM
I just posted this to get the information out there, not to here your conspiracy theories.
Post by: Lowedog on September 28, 2010, 10:31:37 PM
Sounds like people over @ NWhikers have a lot of the same questions we do.
Your last post with the quote comes straight from HSUS.
http://www.humanesociety.org/news/press_releases/2010/09/reward_offered_in_bear_poaching_wa_092710.html (http://www.humanesociety.org/news/press_releases/2010/09/reward_offered_in_bear_poaching_wa_092710.html)
This has been confirmed with the ranger district, i don't know why you guys seem to think it is a joke. Here is a little more info.QuoteSeptember 27, 2010
Reward Offered in Bear Poaching in North Cascades National Park in Washington
The Humane Society of the United States and The Humane Society Wildlife Land Trust are offering a reward of up to $2,500 for information leading to the identification, arrest and conviction of the person or persons responsible for illegally killing two black bears off of Highway 20 in North Cascades National Park.
The Case:
According to the National Park Service, on Aug. 28, hikers on the Maple Pass Loop trail near Washington Pass observed two male adults and two male adolescents posing for pictures with two bears they had killed. One of the dead bears was later discovered with gunshot wounds by park rangers in the area. Hunting is prohibited within the park’s boundaries.
“Tips from the public can play an incredibly important role in solving poaching cases, and we implore anyone with information about this incident to come forward,” said Dan Paul, Washington state director for The HSUS. “The Humane Society of the United States thanks the National Park Service for their investigation of this crime.”
Still a lot of hearsay. :dunno:
Post by: Arcturus on September 30, 2010, 10:40:21 AM
I called the Park Service today and they confirmed the story. 2 bears were killed in the NCNP, between Maple Pass and Corteo Pk on August 28. The physical evidence consists of one dead bear, inside the park, with bullet holes, in the location where park Service employees spotted the 4 men taking pictures and dressing the bear they hauled out. The Park service employees were not rangers and did not approach the hunters.
You can call the Park Service to confirm if you like. Some of you that think this was just some silly hikers telling a false story apparently didn't read the earlier posts on this thread. A dead bear inside the park with bullet holes, and hunters standing by it, is pretty good evidence.
The actions of a few should not and do not reflect on the community of hunters as a whole. Unless people in that community try to deny that things like this ever happen. It happened this time, so let's hope the guys that did it turn themselves in and face the music.
Here is the NCNP service number if you want to call them. 360 854-7249. If you don't believe that really is them, find their number on your own and call.
B. Britz