Post by: saread on September 25, 2010, 09:10:22 PM
I gotta say that I really expected more from my first day muzzy hunting. I'm not going to say that you necessarily need to be able to read to be able to handle firearms safely. But if you are going to hunt in this day and age, you darn well should be able to read and understand the regulations. That area is 3 points or better without a doubt and it wasn't hard to figure out.
Post by: Bean Counter on September 25, 2010, 09:28:12 PM
Post by: agchawk on September 25, 2010, 09:28:20 PM
Post by: Machias on September 25, 2010, 09:44:55 PM
Post by: saread on September 25, 2010, 09:58:53 PM
Post by: agchawk on September 25, 2010, 10:43:11 PM
Remember that deal about picking your battles? This is the first day of hunting season and I really want to continue to hunt that area. Getting busted for knocking down a 2 point in a 3 point area isn't going to get you anything more than a ticket. I'm not going to be hard to find in that area, and it wouldn't take a degree in rocket science to figure out who made the call. I'm a pretty good shot, but so are other people. In this day and age, this is a risk that just isn't worth it.
Sorry for sounding like a complete A**HOLE, but your comment above is one of the MANY reasons why we have such a problem in this state and why folks get away with it more often than not. Be a man, take a damned stand, and do the RIGHT thing. Turning a blind eye toward this sort of behavior is no better than encouraging it. You might as well help the idiots out and pack the damned animal to their truck for them IMO.
Sorry guys and gals if I sound harsh, but I hear this sort of crap all the time and it really gets my blood boiling. I'll pipe down now and leave it be...but you will never catch me cowaring away from what I feel, and know, is the right thing to do!
Post by: agchawk on September 25, 2010, 10:49:04 PM
Someone one here may be able to help me out on this. Isn't it also a crime when you know or witness someone committing a crime and do not report it? (BTW, I know the answer to this question and feel that these folks need to be punished on a similar level as the folks that actually commit the act)
Post by: carpsniperg2 on September 25, 2010, 10:50:25 PM
Post by: dirty24d on September 25, 2010, 11:03:56 PM
it's probably too late now. but if they are dum enough to take it to a butcher an ethical butcher may look into the regs possibly and report it? :dunno:
Post by: Bob33 on September 25, 2010, 11:20:17 PM
Post by: alecvg on September 25, 2010, 11:32:13 PM
Post by: dirty24d on September 25, 2010, 11:35:06 PM
Post by: NWBREW on September 26, 2010, 01:12:22 AM
Remember that deal about picking your battles? This is the first day of hunting season and I really want to continue to hunt that area. Getting busted for knocking down a 2 point in a 3 point area isn't going to get you anything more than a ticket. I'm not going to be hard to find in that area, and it wouldn't take a degree in rocket science to figure out who made the call. I'm a pretty good shot, but so are other people. In this day and age, this is a risk that just isn't worth it.
Sorry for sounding like a complete A**HOLE, but your comment above is one of the MANY reasons why we have such a problem in this state and why folks get away with it more often than not. Be a man, take a damned stand, and do the RIGHT thing. Turning a blind eye toward this sort of behavior is no better than encouraging it. You might as well help the idiots out and pack the damned animal to their truck for them IMO.
Sorry guys and gals if I sound harsh, but I hear this sort of crap all the time and it really gets my blood boiling. I'll pipe down now and leave it be...but you will never catch me cowaring away from what I feel, and know, is the right thing to do!
I agree 100% :yeah: That may be ignorance but it is still considered poaching. I WILL ALWAYS TURN IN A POACHER......POINTS OR NO POINTS.
Post by: ICEMAN on September 26, 2010, 04:43:01 AM
Do the right thing and report it. Try to set a good example instead of turning the other cheek.
Post by: unluckyjohn on September 26, 2010, 06:20:38 AM
Post by: Little Dave on September 26, 2010, 09:16:43 AM
In this particular case, there are at least few reasons why the incident should be reported. Most have identified the violation of the regulations, a mule deer taken out of season. Another reason is to aid the biologists in figuring the quotas for the next few seasons. The incident can also be used as evidence that some hunters need more education on the difference between white-tailed deer and mule deer.
Regarding probability, if he was not able to tell the difference between one deer and the next, chances are he's probably not going to remember you very well either.
Post by: wapiti hunter2 on September 26, 2010, 09:31:01 AM
Post by: BlackRidge on September 26, 2010, 09:33:20 AM
These guys just seem like ignorant retards. "Oh, well if I read the regs twice, they must be right" :rolleyes:
I understand the risk involved with reporting this type of stuff, especially when you have these stupid folk w/ guns involved, and you dont know how they'd react, etc, etc but I would have reported them. From what you say, they seem to be bad shots, so you'd have the advantage if they came after you :chuckle:
Post by: spottedhand on September 26, 2010, 11:02:16 AM
Post by: Michelle_Nelson on September 26, 2010, 01:34:10 PM
There seems to be difference between ignorant folk and poachers... ignorant folks just don't know, maybe because they're actually stupid (who knows), but poaching is a intended/conscious act. Not an accident :twocents:
These guys just seem like ignorant retards. "Oh, well if I read the regs twice, they must be right" :rolleyes:
:yeah:
I do gree they should have been turned in because they did break the law. Kinda sucks being that it was the kids first deer.
Post by: Bean Counter on September 26, 2010, 02:13:23 PM
Post by: hirshey on September 26, 2010, 07:20:05 PM
My friend who was archery hunting last year had an arrow whiz by his head because another archer swore he was a deer. (doe? buck? apparantly it didn't matter)
My parents were muzzy hunting yesterday and watched a gent shoot at a buck and obviously hit it, then promptly travel in the opposite direction. My father chased it down hoping he could shoot it, but couldn't: it was a 2 point in a 3 or better area. The deer is certainly not going to make it but he could do nothing to relieve the animal of its suffering. He tried to track the fellow down but he had obviously realized his mistake and high-tailed it out of there.
Unfortunatly this type of person exists: we just have to do our best to neither emulate or accept this type of behavior. That includes turning them in when found.
Post by: Schmalzfam on September 26, 2010, 10:04:27 PM
Post by: WestPlains_Drifter on September 26, 2010, 11:16:29 PM
So, I decide to go muzzy hunting because there are fewer hunters and, I would hope, more savvy hunters. ......
Unfortunately no matter where you look you are never gonna find a hunting method or season that fits your second goal. Morons are morons and they show up everywhere. I would like to think that the majority of us are responsible, rule abiding sportsman, but no matter what, there are always a few bad apples. Just this morning i had to explain this theory to my 5 year old under terms I would have rather not. She informed me that a nice "big" deer was laying down across the street. I shrug my shoulders and go look, sure enough a great looking 5x5 muley is laying down and breathing heavy. We stroll out front to take a look and notice the arrow hanging out of his gut. Archery ended last week for GMU 130, this guy has been through a rough time. The sheriffs office ultimately put him out of his misery. Lessoned learned though, and we spent the rest of the day talking about shot placement, with a 5 year old, I know!!! Probably a little too early.
Post by: robodad on September 27, 2010, 12:23:22 AM
Post by: Skyvalhunter on September 27, 2010, 05:33:34 AM
Post by: woodswalker on September 27, 2010, 08:08:52 AM
Remember that deal about picking your battles? This is the first day of hunting season and I really want to continue to hunt that area. Getting busted for knocking down a 2 point in a 3 point area isn't going to get you anything more than a ticket. I'm not going to be hard to find in that area, and it wouldn't take a degree in rocket science to figure out who made the call. I'm a pretty good shot, but so are other people. In this day and age, this is a risk that just isn't worth it.
Sorry for sounding like a complete A**HOLE, but your comment above is one of the MANY reasons why we have such a problem in this state and why folks get away with it more often than not. Be a man, take a damned stand, and do the RIGHT thing. Turning a blind eye toward this sort of behavior is no better than encouraging it. You might as well help the idiots out and pack the damned animal to their truck for them IMO.
Sorry guys and gals if I sound harsh, but I hear this sort of crap all the time and it really gets my blood boiling. I'll pipe down now and leave it be...but you will never catch me cowaring away from what I feel, and know, is the right thing to do!
I agree 100% :yeah: That may be ignorance but it is still considered poaching. I WILL ALWAYS TURN IN A POACHER......POINTS OR NO POINTS.
I've HAD those problems, turned in a local guy whose son had been in my hunter ed class not 5 weeks before...the sheriff, not the gamie, outed me in front of a bunch of the poacher's friends. It was a JUST a bit hot there for a while. I eventually got it settled down...but I'd do it again in a heartbeat.
There is NO room for a poacher. NONE,,,Grow some stones and report it.
Post by: h20hunter on September 27, 2010, 08:22:53 AM
Post by: Special T on September 27, 2010, 12:54:44 PM
Post by: BlackRidge on September 27, 2010, 01:18:56 PM
Remember that deal about picking your battles? This is the first day of hunting season and I really want to continue to hunt that area. Getting busted for knocking down a 2 point in a 3 point area isn't going to get you anything more than a ticket. I'm not going to be hard to find in that area, and it wouldn't take a degree in rocket science to figure out who made the call. I'm a pretty good shot, but so are other people. In this day and age, this is a risk that just isn't worth it.
Sorry for sounding like a complete A**HOLE, but your comment above is one of the MANY reasons why we have such a problem in this state and why folks get away with it more often than not. Be a man, take a damned stand, and do the RIGHT thing. Turning a blind eye toward this sort of behavior is no better than encouraging it. You might as well help the idiots out and pack the damned animal to their truck for them IMO.
Sorry guys and gals if I sound harsh, but I hear this sort of crap all the time and it really gets my blood boiling. I'll pipe down now and leave it be...but you will never catch me cowaring away from what I feel, and know, is the right thing to do!
I agree 100% :yeah: That may be ignorance but it is still considered poaching. I WILL ALWAYS TURN IN A POACHER......POINTS OR NO POINTS.
I've HAD those problems, turned in a local guy whose son had been in my hunter ed class not 5 weeks before...the sheriff, not the gamie, outed me in front of a bunch of the poacher's friends. It was a JUST a bit hot there for a while. I eventually got it settled down...but I'd do it again in a heartbeat.
There is NO room for a poacher. NONE,,,Grow some stones and report it.
Sounds like a great Sheriff......
I'd have done the same thing. It doesn't take much of this oblivious behavior to start getting peoples attention... and not just other hunters. Hikers, politicians, etc... its just more fuel for their hate-fire.
It really is a privilege, I wish all these fools would treat it that way
Post by: MAVsled on September 27, 2010, 10:23:56 PM
but I do understand your concern of revenge taken upon you by the perps....
a hunting partner and I witnessed an illegal deer kill on the Snoqualmie unit, about 22 years ago. We talked to the gammies at the Spur 10 gate and they apprehended the poachers upon their arrival to the gate going home with an illegally harvested doe, hidden under equipment/tarp in the back of their pick-up truck. Pretty obvious guilt, 'ey??
we had to write down our accounts & witness of the illegal kill made just down the hill from our stands that morning. the gammies separated my hunting partner and I when we wrote those statements. The gammies then each seperately reviewed our statements, reinterviewed us verbally and added charges to the detainees...as the now handcuffed poachers were looking at us and standing by the WDFW vehicles at the spur 10 check site. A King County sheriff car was there too. The charges/case went to Issaquah Superior Court a couple months later. The poachers settled for a wrist slap. The prosecuter said our written and verbal statements weren't good enough for a full conviction. !!!!! btw: it took us over 90 minutes, darn near two hours, to give our verbal, written accounts and then cross interviewed by 3 game wardens of the illegal poaching activity.
the very next fall, we saw the same guys/poachers again on the same hill...and they saw us too!
When we got back to my truck, all 4 of my tires were slashed. It was one long walk down the hill from Lake Hancock and luckily 3/4 of the way down another hunter let us hitch a ride into North Bend to call from a pay phone and meet my dad; go back up to my INTL Scout, remove the damaged tires, drive back down to a local garage, purchase 3 new tires and then back up the hill to put on the 3 tires (there was one spare they didn't knife inside the locked Scout).
We reported the incident to KCP at the spur 10 gate and the Game agents too. They questioned our assumed perps when they came down to the gate but nothing was done.
The next year we saw them again. Rifle shots whistled above our heads later that morning as we still hunted the edge of a clearcut. My hunting partner grabbed me by the collar and shoved me down to the ground. He was an ex-soldier (Marine) and by the sound of the bullets whizzing by knew immediately that someone was shooting at us or slightly above our heads. I had stood there wondering what the buzzing sound was.
My father along with hunting partner to this day & myself never went back to our previously successful & treasured Lake Hancock/North Bend hills ever again.
so I fully understand this topic posters concern over turning in someone who could turn on him...
Post by: MAVsled on September 27, 2010, 10:34:50 PM
Remember that deal about picking your battles? This is the first day of hunting season and I really want to continue to hunt that area. Getting busted for knocking down a 2 point in a 3 point area isn't going to get you anything more than a ticket. I'm not going to be hard to find in that area, and it wouldn't take a degree in rocket science to figure out who made the call. I'm a pretty good shot, but so are other people. In this day and age, this is a risk that just isn't worth it.
see my latest post to your topic. It wasn't good back in the day either, before cell phones, great cell coverage etc, etc.
and in my example, they did more than just write a ticket.
Post by: MAVsled on September 27, 2010, 10:45:21 PM
WDFW (back then WA Game Department agents) called my hunting partner and I at our homes after the court's decision and apologized for the prosecutor's decision. They thought it was a solid case, perps pleaded to a misdemeanor instead. they also thanked us for going thru the process and taking the time to do so. No points awarded back then.
I was no stranger to the game agents at the Spur 10 gate in those good years. Mr Zimmerman, game agent, assisted me with hauling a buck down the Lake Hancock hill for me to my dad's truck the season before the incident. the gammies there had checked many blacktail bucks for the 3 of us in previous years before our last year on the hill.
Post by: unluckyjohn on September 29, 2010, 06:02:52 AM