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Title: Trad arrows with stone points.
Post by: carpsniperg2 on September 28, 2010, 11:49:08 AM: Thought some of you would like to see what i have been learning and playing with. I have a friend that owns a trad shop, and ever since the first time i have walked in there. I have wanted to get into stone knapping. After my surgeries that i had. My friend sent me a ton of knapping videos to watch. They were great my fave was the art of knapping.Well i bought a kit a few months ago and have been trying my hand at it. I know i have a long ways to go, but here is what i have so far. The arrows i have done as well, i also chop my own feathers. they are nothing super fancy but i am proud of them. There is something about trad archery that really makes me feel grounded and its a feeling that i have found only when i have a stone point nocked on my recurve. Grated i love my compounds very much and have a ton of bows and hunt with a compound "for now ;)" i really love traditional archery. enjoy the pics guys and gals
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Post by: NRA4LIFE on September 28, 2010, 11:55:34 AM: That's cool. How do they fly from arrow to arrow with the different sized/shaped points on them?
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Post by: carpsniperg2 on September 28, 2010, 11:58:47 AM: very diffrent :chuckle: these are just for fun and decoration right now. i am just learning, when i get to hunting with them "if i ever get good enough at making them" i will do matched sets. these are just mics arrows i used to practice mounting points on.
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Post by: quadrafire on September 28, 2010, 12:05:42 PM: Carp, that is cool.
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Post by: let.it.fly on September 28, 2010, 12:07:08 PM: thats weight forward technology right there :chuckle:
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Post by: bigdave on September 28, 2010, 12:18:32 PM: Nice job.....your skill is developing...keep it up. :)
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Post by: Pathfinder101 on September 28, 2010, 12:20:27 PM: Cool stuff man. Looks like you're really getting the hang of it... :tup:
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Post by: NRA4LIFE on September 28, 2010, 12:22:23 PM: That would be soooooo cool to kill something with them. Then butcher it with some of the larger tools.
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Post by: carpsniperg2 on September 28, 2010, 12:26:03 PM: thanks guys! it helps i have had a pro give me a lot of 2 cents and demos. also the vids he gave me and the online videos i have watched, have helped a lot. it amazes me how perfect some of the points and blades turn out. the long blade he does on the art of knapping is just incredible! D. C. Waldorf is a master of the trade for sure.
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Post by: Pathfinder101 on September 28, 2010, 12:27:15 PM: It would be cool to harvest something with them, but I am leary.
Did anyone else see the Tred Barta episode where he was elk hunting with stone points? He shot a nice 6x6 bull in a wallow. Should have been a good shot, quartering away, a little far back, but should have gone right through a lung. Looked to me like the point hit a rib bone and stuck. They looked for the bull for 2 days (I think), and never found it. I know this stuff happens with all archery equipment, but I am pretty sure if that would have been a G5, that arrow would have gone through. Just my :twocents:
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Post by: carpsniperg2 on September 28, 2010, 12:32:58 PM: Quote from: NRA4LIFE on September 28, 2010, 12:22:23 PM
That would be soooooo cool to kill something with them. Then butcher it with some of the larger tools.

yes that is one of my goals! would be super cool! i want to make a knife with a obsidian blade and deer horn. then maybe a obsidian axe :drool:

yes pathfinder i watched that very show. he hit the bull back a long ways. i don't think it hit a rib on the way in. he took a longer shot on that bull as well like 30 some yards if i remember right. i would be hunting just deer and would want to be under about 20 yards at the max. but their is no doubt that they will kill an animal with with a well placed shot. i feel there has still been more animals killed in early years with stone. then there has been with steel today. that is my thoughts. i understand your point.
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Post by: BlackRidge on September 28, 2010, 12:35:48 PM: Sounds like you've been watching too much Tred Barta! :chuckle:

Nasty looking arrows! Good luck with those
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Post by: carpsniperg2 on September 28, 2010, 12:41:41 PM: that was awhile ago when i watched it. have not heard much on how he is doing.

for anyone wanting to watch a cool vid/clip that i am talking about done by a master here it the link

Flintknapping the Type IV Danish Dagger by D.C. Waldorf (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMDDcIdgsEA#ws)

the flake scars on the blade are so clean and amazing!
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Post by: carpsniperg2 on September 28, 2010, 12:49:42 PM: one more cool vid

Percussion Biface 13 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCzS5sC1yHA&feature=channel#)
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Post by: whacker1 on September 28, 2010, 02:42:53 PM: Very cool - go get some blood on one for us. We need to live vicariously through someone, so it might as well be you. In all seriousness, very cool. Wonderful decorations, but look forward to seeing one with blood on it.
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Post by: NRA4LIFE on September 28, 2010, 03:05:00 PM: Carp,

Where do you get obsidian? I worked with some in college in an archaeological course. That is some of the sharpest material I have ever encountered. Something about a mono-molecular blade I think.
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Post by: boneaddict on September 28, 2010, 03:07:15 PM: LOVE IT.......next thing you need to do is go strip some birds of their feathers. Those vanes just don't match up with the points. I bought a box of obsidian off of ebay.
and yes NRA its SHARP. Usually blood is running and you don't even know there is a cut.
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Post by: carpsniperg2 on September 28, 2010, 03:12:23 PM: i get mine from my friends shop. he sell's it as well as flint and dacite which is a lot like obsidian. obsidian is crazy sharp! i have been told that it is still used for some surgeries to this day, mostly involving the eye :yike: i know he has been running low on it. he goes and gets it from a place in central Oregon area. its fun to work with. until you snap off the point of a head you have been working on for like 2 days :bash: :chuckle:

yes for sure bone! i had my friend send off my turkey wing feathers from this year. i just could not use them on practice arrows :chuckle: i will for sure use them on my hunting arrows when i make them. nothing like natural barred feathers to make the obsidian shine :tup:
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Post by: boneaddict on September 28, 2010, 03:15:26 PM: I got three varieties I was working with, snowflake, clear, and red orange swirl. Fun stuff. I've been experiementing with some different jaspers, agate, petrified wood. The latter fractures really easy and I have had so many points almost done and then crack.........
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Post by: carpsniperg2 on September 28, 2010, 03:19:07 PM: i have been down to the last few flakes and snapped the point off, many times :chuckle: i love the looks of the snowflake! but i have heard that the flakes tend to die when the hit the crystal formation in the stone. have you had this happen to you? i love the red/orange mahogany obsidian as well.
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Post by: rasbo on September 28, 2010, 03:19:23 PM: Quote from: NRA4LIFE on September 28, 2010, 03:05:00 PM
Carp,

Where do you get obsidian? I worked with some in college in an archaeological course. That is some of the sharpest material I have ever encountered. Something about a mono-molecular blade I think.
around old vulcanic flows,if your hunting for it..I used to find it out by big southern butte in se idaho..
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Post by: carpsniperg2 on September 28, 2010, 06:57:26 PM: thanks for the tips rasbo. i think he finds his at a big vulcanic flow as well.
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Post by: rasbo on September 28, 2010, 07:00:21 PM: Quote from: carpsniperg2 on September 28, 2010, 06:57:26 PM
thanks for the tips rasbo. i think he finds his at a big vulcanic flow as well.
good places to find arrow heads,that would be cool to use some ya found..Im still hoping for a saphire hawk :drool:
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Post by: Hornseeker on September 28, 2010, 07:30:54 PM: Way cool.... good job man!

I just found part of a cool head and another guy I was with found a nearly complete head... LOVE the artifacts and the modern copies too!
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Post by: carpsniperg2 on September 28, 2010, 07:31:27 PM: only one i have ever found was broke in half :'( still put it back together with some glue. but not very usable
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Post by: Ray on September 28, 2010, 07:31:41 PM: That's the way to go. Once you get good enough I'll buy a few from you.
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Post by: carpsniperg2 on September 28, 2010, 07:40:15 PM: i hope to get good enough to be able to do that :chuckle: i was just lookin on ebay and there is some pretty cool blades and pictures on there. i even saw a ulu on there that would be sweet! when i get good enough i plan on making a few knives and bigger tools. will be sweet to use a arrow/point made my my hands and the earth. then clean and skin it with a knife made of horn and stone. one of my top 10 to do's for sure.
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Post by: boneaddict on September 28, 2010, 09:07:58 PM: THere is a type of Goldendale Jasper I think that looks like it would make some gorgeous heads. I saw some small scraps of it. I'd love to get some nice rounds of it and actually try for a knife.
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Post by: carpsniperg2 on September 28, 2010, 09:14:49 PM: i have never seen any. that would be super cool, to make a stone point from it. then take a deer with a stone from here. i have found a little petrified wood before. i also know of some places on the mountain up here that have obsidian.
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Post by: PacificNWhunter on September 29, 2010, 05:28:15 PM: Those look great Carp!
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Post by: carpsniperg2 on September 29, 2010, 10:00:03 PM: thanks! still learning alot. a few of my heads have some flaws i am learning to stay away from. i have been working with smaller chuncks right now. when i get better, i want to get some blade cores and some diffrent types of stone. :drool:
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Post by: carpsniperg2 on September 29, 2010, 11:04:32 PM: figured i would post a couple more pics i have. i have found one of the hardest things to do is thin. i think i am starting to get the hang of it. I have had trouble not getting the flake to run the length of the ridge. i have found if i put pressure with my hand against the stone when i strike it. the flake will run farther down the ridge. if no pressure it tends to die and fingernail fracture into the stone :yike: it will take a lot of practice and time to learn well. also i have plenty of hobbies :chuckle: so i play with it of and on. hope you enjoy the pics.

the fist is a strike i used to remove the rough outer cortex left on the stone and give myself a smooth surface to work on.
the second pic is me thinning down a ridge. the flakes are in order they were removed.
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Post by: bow4elk on September 29, 2010, 11:10:45 PM: I know a guy here in Olympia who is looking for a couple reproduction-type arrows. I can put you in touch with him tomorrow if you're interested. He does amazing scroll saw work and a lot of his subject matter is Native American Indians.

Let me know. NICE work!!
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Post by: carpsniperg2 on September 29, 2010, 11:21:49 PM: you could give him my email. i would be happy to talk to him. i am no expert, but would be happy to help him get a couple.
thanks very much!