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Equipment & Gear => Guns and Ammo => Topic started by: rock on September 30, 2010, 03:49:24 AM

Title: rifled shotguns in washington
Post by: rock on September 30, 2010, 03:49:24 AM: are you alowed to use them? again the regs. are confusing. and what bout scopes on them?
thanks
Title: Re: rifles shotguns in washington
Post by: KillBilly on September 30, 2010, 04:58:21 AM: What is your question? Use them for what?
Title: Re: rifles shotguns in washington
Post by: ICEMAN on September 30, 2010, 05:46:45 AM: Thanks Killbilly, glad it wasn't just me.... :bash:
Title: Re: rifles shotguns in washington
Post by: FALFire on September 30, 2010, 05:49:00 AM: Quote from: rock on September 30, 2010, 03:49:24 AM
are you alowed to use them? again the regs. are confusing. and what bout scopes on them?
thanks

Yes, you can use them, Yes scopes too! You can also use bow and arrow, knife, club, brass knuckles, frying pan, old chairs, even your teeth in some cases as long as you have had your shots :P
Title: Re: rifles shotguns in washington
Post by: ICEMAN on September 30, 2010, 05:52:34 AM: :yike:

:chuckle:
Title: Re: rifles shotguns in washington
Post by: AWS on September 30, 2010, 06:44:31 AM: Yes, I use one for coyote hunting 223 in the top barrrel 20ga in the bottom. Don't know about deer or elk hunting.

AWS
Title: Re: rifles shotguns in washington
Post by: Skinnyman on September 30, 2010, 07:52:59 AM: Yes you can use them, and mounted scopes too. Shotguns are just considered a modern firearm.

For Big Game the one restriction they have is on caliber/guage. A 10 and 12 guage can be used for anything in the state. BUT, a 16 and 20 guage can be used for only Deer, Bear, and Cougar. If hunting Elk you must use a 10 or 12 ga. For all calibers you can use either slugs or #1 and larger buckshot. You can use either a rifled barrel or a smooth bore, no restriction on that part.

For small game, there aren't restrictions on caliber/gauge or size of shot. There might be on Turkey, but I am not a turkey hunter so I dont know. For example you can use T shot in a 20 guage for coyote's if you want.
Title: Re: rifles shotguns in washington
Post by: rock on September 30, 2010, 02:58:28 PM: ok thanks and i dont get that. they build .410 that can take down a bear and are accurate out to 200 yards. they are pretty much a rifle with a lighterweight bullet and a 3 1/2 inch or 4 inch shell with a rifled barrel
Title: Re: rifles shotguns in washington
Post by: AWS on September 30, 2010, 03:36:01 PM: How about a link to the 410 Shotgun with 4" shells that will take down a bear at 200yrds I am always intrested in something new. I used to use 444Marlin brass for brass 410 Shotshells.

AWS
Title: Re: rifles shotguns in washington
Post by: 270Shooter on September 30, 2010, 05:01:41 PM: Quote from: rock on September 30, 2010, 02:58:28 PM
ok thanks and i dont get that. they build .410 that can take down a bear and are accurate out to 200 yards. they are pretty much a rifle with a lighterweight bullet and a 3 1/2 inch or 4 inch shell with a rifled barrel
WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAATTTTTTTTTTTTT!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
Title: Re: rifles shotguns in washington
Post by: washelkhntr on September 30, 2010, 07:23:43 PM: Quote from: rock on September 30, 2010, 02:58:28 PM
ok thanks and i dont get that. they build .410 that can take down a bear and are accurate out to 200 yards. they are pretty much a rifle with a lighterweight bullet and a 3 1/2 inch or 4 inch shell with a rifled barrel

Were you smoking something while you were writing this?
Title: Re: rifles shotguns in washington
Post by: FALFire on September 30, 2010, 07:33:33 PM: Quote from: rock on September 30, 2010, 02:58:28 PM
ok thanks and i dont get that. they build .410 that can take down a bear and are accurate out to 200 yards. they are pretty much a rifle with a lighterweight bullet and a 3 1/2 inch or 4 inch shell with a rifled barrel

It's statements like that, that seem to make one scratch thy scalp and go Hmmmmmmm? :o
When I read that, I realized I need not respond :rolleyes: :dunno:
Title: Re: rifles shotguns in washington
Post by: Bofire on September 30, 2010, 07:53:41 PM: :)Fal fire is nice, Rock, you are out of your frickin mind!
cARL
Title: Re: rifles shotguns in washington
Post by: STIKNSTRINGBOW on September 30, 2010, 08:23:33 PM: Quote from: FALFire on September 30, 2010, 07:33:33 PM
Quote from: rock on September 30, 2010, 02:58:28 PM
ok thanks and i dont get that. they build .410 that can take down a bear and are accurate out to 200 yards. they are pretty much a rifle with a lighterweight bullet and a 3 1/2 inch or 4 inch shell with a rifled barrel

It's statements like that, that seem to make one scratch thy scalp and go Hmmmmmmm? :o
When I read that, I realized I need not respond :rolleyes: :dunno:
:chuckle:
Title: Re: rifles shotguns in washington
Post by: FALFire on September 30, 2010, 08:32:05 PM: Now I understand the screen name "ROCK" :dunno: :rolleyes:
Title: Re: rifles shotguns in washington
Post by: wiremonkey on September 30, 2010, 08:38:19 PM: is this a joke :chuckle: i just dont get it :dunno:
Title: Re: rifles shotguns in washington
Post by: Bob33 on September 30, 2010, 09:10:11 PM: Quote from: rock on September 30, 2010, 03:49:24 AM
are you alowed to use them? again the regs. are confusing. and what bout scopes on them?
thanks
I must say the regs are quite clear. Your question is certainly not.

Shotguns:
Deer, bear, and cougar may be hunted with 20
gauge to 10 gauge shotguns shooting slugs or #1
or larger buckshot. Other big game may be hunted
with a 10 or 12 gauge shotgun using slugs. Hunters
must use #4 shot or smaller (e.g. #6 shot is legal) to
hunt turkey.

Since scopes are not addressed, they are legal.
Title: Re: rifles shotguns in washington
Post by: rock on October 01, 2010, 03:40:21 AM: i am not kidding look it up they are making a heavy duty 410 for shotgun only states (like indiana) that is meant for bigger game. heard it from one of my friends but he might be talkin about a bunch of BS
Title: Re: rifles shotguns in washington
Post by: Gutpile on October 01, 2010, 05:02:18 AM: The regs are not confusing you just have to read them. Why even debate the .410 thing thats just plain silly. It's illegal here in WA anyways. Sit down read the regs and they'll tell you everything you need to know.

By the way, your buddy is copletely full of :crap: about this myterious .410 that'll kill bears at 200 yards. Hell I can barely kill a grouse with mine at 25 yards.
Title: Re: rifles shotguns in washington
Post by: bobcat on October 01, 2010, 05:21:26 AM: I think "rock" meant for the title of this thread to be "rifled shotguns," not "rifles shotguns." If that's the case, the post is slightly less confusing. Either way, it looks like the question has been answered.
Title: Re: rifles shotguns in washington
Post by: Gutpile on October 01, 2010, 05:31:30 AM: Quote from: bobcat on October 01, 2010, 05:21:26 AM
I think "rock" meant for the title of this thread to be "rifled shotguns," not "rifles shotguns." If that's the case, the post is slightly less confusing. Either way, it looks like the question has been answered.

Ahhhhhh. I agree. Well done Bobcat.
Title: Re: rifles shotguns in washington
Post by: Bob33 on October 01, 2010, 06:24:09 AM: There may be some 410 slug loads that have sufficient energy to kill a deer at 200 yards. I've never heard of one. However, you would also need an exceptionally accurate shotgun to take advantage of it. The great majority of rifled shotguns in any gauge do not have the accuracy to take ethical 200 yard shots. I would guess that 9 rifled shotguns out of town cannot consistently do much better than 4" groups at 100 yards. That turns into 8" to 10" or worse at 200 yards. Slugs have very low ballistic coefficients and suffer severe wind drift.

If you're going to buy a shotgun to shoot 200 yards, you'd be much better off buying a high quality 20 or 12 gauge since (a) they are legal in Washington, and (b) there are many more ammunition choices available.
Title: Re: rifles shotguns in washington
Post by: 270Shooter on October 01, 2010, 07:07:00 AM: There is not such thing as a 4 inch .410 shot shell bro...
Title: Re: rifles shotguns in washington
Post by: Bob33 on October 01, 2010, 07:14:59 AM: http://mcb-homis.com/deer9410/ (http://mcb-homis.com/deer9410/)
Title: Re: rifles shotguns in washington
Post by: Skinnyman on October 01, 2010, 08:37:23 AM: Good article Bob33. Legality aside, I am still struggling with why you would hunt with a .410 when you could use a 12, 16, or 20 ga (I would lean to 12ga). To me, it is like using a 243 for Elk. I am sure it could be done, and I know it has been done, but is it ethical and is it the best cartridge/caliber for the game?
Title: Re: rifles shotguns in washington
Post by: AWS on October 01, 2010, 09:04:11 AM: I never like to blow someone out of the water just because I think they are full of BS, that's why I asked for a link. Bob33's link to 410 slugs peaked my intrest as Ohio alows 410 slugs for deer in non rifle zones. That means someone is going to try and push the envelope, and they did. You buddy was right.

CHECK THIS LINK OUT

http://www.hoeningbigboresouth.com/index.html (http://www.hoeningbigboresouth.com/index.html)

AWS
Title: Re: rifles shotguns in washington
Post by: JackOfAllTrades on October 01, 2010, 09:53:19 AM: .410 was legal for deer in Washington when I was a teenager.

Looking at the link for more modern .410 slug loads, note that the trajectory for 200yds with a 100yd zero is 28-35 inches of drop.

Its one thing to implement some Kentucky windage.. Its another to range your target and dial in some scope dope for long range shooting, but to fire a mortor at that distance is absurd. The energy deliverd at that distance is on par with a 30-30.

Rock, there's been some confusion resulting from your post. I suggest that you proof-read what you've typed before you hit the 'Post' button. (not to say that I don't make a typo once in a while, but that original title was a bit perplexing. -You can change that, ya know.)

So yes, rifled shottie barrels larger than .410ga are legal for big game in Washington. Scopes too.

-Steve
Title: Re: rifled shotguns in washington
Post by: rock on October 02, 2010, 09:22:04 AM: ok thanks and sorry i have been in a hurry when i post
Title: Re: rifled shotguns in washington
Post by: Bofire on October 02, 2010, 12:07:53 PM: I have seen rifled shotguns 12 gauge, with scope that shoot 2 inch 100 yard groups consistently. That is bad azz.
Carl
Title: Re: rifled shotguns in washington
Post by: rock on October 03, 2010, 06:07:35 AM: yeah shot a deer at 15 yard here in indiana with a 20 gauge smooth bore when we cleaned it there was no such thing as lungs in the deer. :chuckle:
clean pass through. with blood everywhere
Title: Re: rifles shotguns in washington
Post by: ing on October 05, 2010, 11:42:51 AM: Quote from: FALFire on September 30, 2010, 07:33:33 PM
Quote from: rock on September 30, 2010, 02:58:28 PM
ok thanks and i dont get that. they build .410 that can take down a bear and are accurate out to 200 yards. they are pretty much a rifle with a lighterweight bullet and a 3 1/2 inch or 4 inch shell with a rifled barrel

It's statements like that, that seem to make one scratch thy scalp and go Hmmmmmmm? :o
When I read that, I realized I need not respond :rolleyes: :dunno:
Yet you did
Title: Re: rifles shotguns in washington
Post by: ing on October 05, 2010, 11:43:22 AM: Quote from: FALFire on September 30, 2010, 08:32:05 PM
Now I understand the screen name "ROCK" :dunno: :rolleyes:
And then again
Title: Re: rifled shotguns in washington
Post by: brush hunter on October 06, 2010, 07:41:50 PM: Quote from: FALFire on September 30, 2010, 05:49:00 AM
Quote from: rock on September 30, 2010, 03:49:24 AM
are you alowed to use them? again the regs. are confusing. and what bout scopes on them?
thanks
Quote from: FALFire on September 30, 2010, 05:49:00 AM
Quote from: rock on September 30, 2010, 03:49:24 AM
are you alowed to use them? again the regs. are confusing. and what bout scopes on them?
thanks

Yes, you can use them, Yes scopes too! You can also use bow and arrow, knife, club, brass knuckles, frying pan, old chairs, even your teeth in some cases as long as you have had your shots :P

Yes, you can use them, Yes scopes too! You can also use bow and arrow, knife, club, brass knuckles, frying pan, old chairs, even your teeth in some cases as long as you have had your shots :P
No Brass knuckles are not legal, but you can use a tire iron :chuckle: