Post by: ffhoofer on October 04, 2010, 09:14:29 AM
Post by: whacker1 on October 04, 2010, 09:20:04 AM
Post by: bobcat on October 04, 2010, 10:03:15 AM
Post by: ffhoofer on October 04, 2010, 10:11:48 AM
Post by: Lowedog on October 04, 2010, 10:22:57 AM
It sounds like you hit him in the shoulder and may not have penetrated through the shoulder. I have seen it with high power rifles let alone muzzleloaders. sorry to hear that it went south.:yeah: I have seen the same thing. An all lead bullet more than likely pancaked on the shoulder blade. A friend of mine shot a big bull several years ago at short range with his 7mm mag. Same scenario. He ended up tracking that bull for 3 days and put 3 or 4 more shots into his shoulder before finally anchoring him. When boning that bull out for the pack we found I think 3 bullets pancaked on the shoulder blade. He was shooting Remington Core lokts. He was lucky that it was a late hunt and he had snow to be able to stay on his bull.
Post by: J Snow73 on October 04, 2010, 10:23:33 AM
Post by: ffhoofer on October 04, 2010, 10:42:46 AM
Post by: J Snow73 on October 04, 2010, 10:46:18 AM
Post by: Lowedog on October 04, 2010, 10:49:59 AM
Post by: whacker1 on October 04, 2010, 10:53:06 AM
Post by: carpsniperg2 on October 04, 2010, 10:56:32 AM
Post by: Curly on October 04, 2010, 12:32:38 PM
I shot a 2 point blacktail buck a few years ago with a powerbelt at 90 yards. He was standing broadside and I hit him behind the shoulder. The bullet did not hit any bone. I found the bullet pancaked just under the off-side hide. Sure I had a dead deer and the bullet worked great in that instance, but I knew right then that I would not want to use the hollow point Powerbelt for elk. There are better bullets out there, especially now that we can use jacketed bullets. :twocents:
Post by: WSU on October 04, 2010, 12:52:27 PM
Also, bummer on the bull. Hopefully he will be OK. A lot of time with a muzzy you don't get an exit wound, which results in very small to nearly non-existance blood trails. The bull I shot last year had 2 holes in him from 2 shots, and zero blood trail.
Post by: JackOfAllTrades on October 04, 2010, 01:10:39 PM
I've killed two deer that had bullets lodged in muscle/bone from previous seasons. One, had passed through both hauches and lodged on the inside of the opposite side hide. I don't know how he didn't die of infection. The bullet path wasn't quite straight, but passed through the hide, meat, grazed the femor, anal canal/pelvis, hip bone, more meat/muscle and stopped at the hide. (hunter's shot must have been from down hill of him) Anyway.. That buck was quite healthy when I dropped him.
A strong bull might be able to survive your shot too. Keep huntin that one though. He'll be slow for a while.
-Steve
Post by: ffhoofer on October 04, 2010, 01:41:35 PM
Post by: bobcat on October 04, 2010, 01:45:17 PM
Post by: J Snow73 on October 04, 2010, 03:09:51 PM
Post by: grundy53 on October 04, 2010, 03:20:10 PM
Post by: JackOfAllTrades on October 04, 2010, 03:22:28 PM
OK, now that he's still huntin this critter, and he's decided to switch lead offerings, I've got a couple questions.
First, I'll submit http://castboolits.gunloads.com/ (http://castboolits.gunloads.com/) for a wealth of people that cast their own bullets for every type of firearm and purpose imagineable.
Then I ask, how much do those precast un/proven lead offerings cost for those front stuffers? I've been casting bullets for my pistols/competitive pistols for accuracy and performance on wild game. I've taken deer with my concoctions and would present a hard cast bullet on Elk or Bear. -Harder is not always more accurate but there is a range of hardness where as hunters we should be able to get the accuracy and terminal performance we're looking for.
All it takes is a mold, a melting pot, ladel, some lead, antimony and tin and you can cast your own bullets to give the performance you're looking for. Water quenching will harden them even more depending on what alloy you're concocting.
Some would say you can do better than using a jacketed bullet, for the speeds that you're pushing them through a ML.
So why don't any of you cast your own ML bullets?
-Steve
Post by: trophyhunt on October 04, 2010, 03:26:09 PM
Post by: whacker1 on October 04, 2010, 03:42:42 PM
Post by: bobcat on October 04, 2010, 03:44:40 PM
Post by: J Snow73 on October 04, 2010, 04:19:49 PM
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All it takes is a mold, a melting pot, ladel, some lead, antimony and tin and you can cast your own bullets to give the performance you're looking for. Water quenching will harden them even more depending on what alloy you're concocting.
So why don't any of you cast your own ML bullets?
-Steve
Man you make it sound so easy. Granted after spending umpti$$ and then the learning and trial and error to me personally is way more money and time then the average hunter would consider. My grandfather and father did what you are suggesting ,but I feel that is way more far and in between then it was years ago :twocents:
Post by: Lowedog on October 04, 2010, 06:10:10 PM
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Post by: bigbull94 on October 04, 2010, 10:11:42 PM
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Post by: highside74 on October 04, 2010, 10:35:48 PM
Post by: whacker1 on October 04, 2010, 10:38:10 PM
When I started reading this thread it sounded like my buddies hunt from Sat. He shot a bull at 80 yards with 348 gr lead powerbelts and cartwheeled the bull. High fives all around and then...This bull get's up and walk's off. Shot #2 no response. #3 bull he is headed deep down a whole. He shoot's this bull with all five powerbelts he is carrying and is out of lead. Finally has to finish him with someone else's gun and a jacketed round. During the skinning he got all five round's from that bull and none of them penetrated. All five were turned into blobs of lead. :bdid: :dunno:
Did you recover the jacketed round?
Post by: highside74 on October 04, 2010, 10:57:08 PM
When I started reading this thread it sounded like my buddies hunt from Sat. He shot a bull at 80 yards with 348 gr lead powerbelts and cartwheeled the bull. High fives all around and then...This bull get's up and walk's off. Shot #2 no response. #3 bull he is headed deep down a whole. He shoot's this bull with all five powerbelts he is carrying and is out of lead. Finally has to finish him with someone else's gun and a jacketed round. During the skinning he got all five round's from that bull and none of them penetrated. All five were turned into blobs of lead. :bdid: :dunno:
Did you recover the jacketed round?
No...shot him in the head.
Post by: bearpaw on October 04, 2010, 11:02:01 PM
A good jacketed bullet will shoot clear through both shoulders of an elk, I have seen it. On the other hand, I have had to cut the throat on live bear that were wounded by multiple lead projectiles and I have watched many animals jump up and run off to never be seen again from lead bullets.
THose Barnes are a godsend too..... :twocents:
Post by: bearpaw on October 04, 2010, 11:03:14 PM
Post by: h2ofowlr on October 05, 2010, 06:29:07 AM
Post by: ing on October 05, 2010, 07:14:38 AM
Post by: Whitelightning on October 05, 2010, 07:50:06 AM
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OK, now that he's still huntin this critter, and he's decided to switch lead offerings, I've got a couple questions.
First, I'll submit http://castboolits.gunloads.com/ (http://castboolits.gunloads.com/) for a wealth of people that cast their own bullets for every type of firearm and purpose imagineable.
Then I ask, how much do those precast un/proven lead offerings cost for those front stuffers? I've been casting bullets for my pistols/competitive pistols for accuracy and performance on wild game. I've taken deer with my concoctions and would present a hard cast bullet on Elk or Bear. -Harder is not always more accurate but there is a range of hardness where as hunters we should be able to get the accuracy and terminal performance we're looking for.
All it takes is a mold, a melting pot, ladel, some lead, antimony and tin and you can cast your own bullets to give the performance you're looking for. Water quenching will harden them even more depending on what alloy you're concocting.
Some would say you can do better than using a jacketed bullet, for the speeds that you're pushing them through a ML.
So why don't any of you cast your own ML bullets?
-Steve
I am with you on this. A well cast lead bullet will not only give excellant accuracy but also be deadly on ELK and other wild game. I shoot 510gr lead home cast conicals in most of my 50's and have just purchased some 600gr conicals for the 50. A 295gr bullet even behind 150gr powder is not going to have the energy needed to penetrate or expand well in a Elk. The heavy bullets retain incredible energy down feild and will devistate what it hits. I think using a modified pistol round in a rifle and expecting it to perform as a magnum round is out of the question. Noexcuse makes a very nice round and will size to your bore as will Bullshop. :twocents:
I took the Bear in my avitar with a .504 White using a 510gr home cast conical over 80gr T7 ffg at 75 yards, a complete pass through (entered behind the near shoulder and exited the far shoulder through the bone) the Bear did NOT take a step and both lungs were gone. I have never had a heavy conical not be a complete pass through.