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Equipment & Gear => Guns and Ammo => Topic started by: Hornseeker on October 21, 2010, 01:35:39 PM
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OK, I've been shooting a 700 for several years now and have several friends that shoot them a lot...and none of us have had the gun fire without pulling the trigger. If you are not familiar with what Im talking about, there was a big deal on the news last night and with some google searching, you can read a lot about how Remington has known the trigger 'control' mechanism is flawed, for liek 60 years or some chit like this...
Apparently, since there are several million of the guns out there and they very rarely have this issue, Remington is not excited about it. Prob is, it appears that it could happen at any time due to some dust or something screwing up this "trigger connector" which is some free floating deal.
Anyhow, my question is... if a guy plops a new Timney trigger in, is he effectively taking care of this risk? If it was only my gun, I wouldn't worry about it...and haven't yet. But my 11 yr old daughter is using this gun.... not me!
Whathcya think?
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Yes, I would think replacing it with a Timney should eliminate the potential problem. Thanks for posting that. I think I may do the same with my model 7, which my daughters will likely be using in a few years.
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I wonder if remington has a recall on it?
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I wonder if remington has a recall on it?
No they don't. They won't admit there's a problem. The TV show said if they did a recall on the 700 series rifles, it would cost more than what Remington's net worth is. So I don't think we'll see a recall anytime soon.
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Saturday after i killed my whitetail. I ejected the empty out and n close the bolt and it fired without me pulling the trigger and my dad said what the hell. I said it wasnt me so he started playing with it without any bullets inside the mag and everytime he close the bolt the firing pin would go inside the bolt and fire.
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I have to believe it because this past weekend my sons mod. 700 30.06 had a malfunction,when closing the bolt on a live round slowly the firing pin would drop slowly and would not shoot,but if cycled fast it would fire as soon as the bolt closed :yike:,when I got home I could not get it to do it again,I am thinking it had a dirty trigger mechanism or something :bdid: It will go to a smith before it hits the range or field again! I guess my son beat me to the punch "Buckwheat"
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Any drop in replacement will fix the problem provided it doesn't have a similar flaw, good plan to take care of that for your daughter too, if it did go off without her intention it would be a long time (if ever) before she had any trust in the gun again.
Remington is adopting a similar attitude to the one Ford had for years about their trucks catching fire when parked and eventually they were forced to a huge recall.
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Saturday after i killed my whitetail. I ejected the empty out and n close the bolt and it fired without me pulling the trigger and my dad said what the hell. I said it wasnt me so he started playing with it without any bullets inside the mag and everytime he close the bolt the firing pin would go inside the bolt and fire.
If you are good, you could be like the rifleman :chuckle:
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I saw that, too and was surprised. I don't have any of their rifles but have a couple shotguns. If I had one of their rifles, I would definitely put a Timney in it, for peace of mind, if nothing else.
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I'm wondering if it's a lot more prevelant than they are admitting. It happened to my brother a couple weeks ago with a "new" used Rem 700 he had just gotten. We were at the range sighting it in and it happened. I have a longer post about it here in the guns section.
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Thanks for the post because I was seriously considering buying one. I think the Winchester model 70 is looking better after hearing about this issue.
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Can we expect a drop in the price of a model 700? If so I will be first in line to add some more to my collection.
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I have a 700 ADL 30-06 made in 1960 something. It is still my go to rifle and I had it out just yesterday. I've had it for over 40 years and have never had a problem. I'm sad to hear of such issues but the military still loves it. Really makes you focus on muzzle control. Remember everyone who was killed or injured was the result of a gun safety violation.
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Yeah...Nothing makes you focus on muzzle control like carrying a rifle model that is known for discharging without anything touching the trigger...
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I have witnessed slam fires in semi automatics and bolt action rifles that would go off when the bolt was closed. None of which were Remington firearms. I believe in the cases I witnessed improper maintenance or improper adjustment to the fire control components were the problem. I own Remingtons, Berettas, Winchesters,and Savages and love them all and have had no safety issues with any. My favorite is a Remington 721 that I got used when I turned 13 some 30 plus years ago. The factory trigger on my 721 will release the firing pin unexpectedly when adjusted to around 1 to 1.5lbs so it is set at 3lbs with minimal creep and like it.
If Remington has a significantly higher percentage of issues to units sold in new unaltered firearms, then they have a problem.
If Remington has more issues because they have more units in circulation, which means more units being modified or handled improperly then the user has a problem.
All this and I still don't have an opinion because my only experience with Remington problems is what the talking heads on the TV said.
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I've been using 700's since 1977, I have several, and have bought and sold many more. I have never had a problem, but in light of this info, I am having all the triggers replaced. I don't chamber a round until I have a target spotted, something I started a few years ago. The 700 is good for that type of plan since it's not CRF. Open the bolt slightly, drop a round down the chamber, and close the bolt. It is simple & fast. Can't do that with a model 70.
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Why can't you just leave the magazine loaded, with the chamber empty. Then when you're ready to shoot, open the bolt and chamber a round? I guess I don't understand what you're saying.
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Why can't you just leave the magazine loaded, with the chamber empty. Then when you're ready to shoot, open the bolt and chamber a round? I guess I don't understand what you're saying.
That's what I am saying. I typically shoot a magnum of some sort, which only holds 3 down. It just allows me to have one extra round in case I am blowing off antlers, or tree limbs. If I were shooting a non mag caliber, I wouldn't worry about it and just do it like you mentioned. One other thing, it is a lot quieter to do it as I mentioned than to rack a round out of the mag.
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:bash: i was just pricing a new 700 today. guess ill wait a bit longer or find another manufacturer i like as much. i do currently have a 700 in .223 and ive never had a rpoblem with missfires, but i do think it has an issue with the firing pin, every round i put through it looks like it has excessive pressure doesnt matter if its a hand load or factory ammo.
--bh2bt
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The gun I have for my daughter was bought in the early 80's and has had several thousand rounds through it, with zero incidents of firing when closing the bolt. My in laws other 700, a 7 mag, has had the same track record.
NONETHELESS.... I will have the Timney put in before spring and well before my daughter starts using the gun.....lil piece of mind.
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My wife told me I have to get rid of my 700's... I said ok, but Ill have to replace them.. :chuckle:
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:chuckle:
