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Other Hunting => Bird Dogs => Topic started by: skagit on October 22, 2010, 06:58:54 PM

Title: prong training collars
Post by: skagit on October 22, 2010, 06:58:54 PM: I am considering getting a prong collar to train my bird dog to heal. Does anyone use these and is there one type that is recommended?
Title: Re: prong training collars
Post by: Wa hunter on October 22, 2010, 07:03:36 PM: Are you talking about pinch collars? If so they work really well we have some hard pulling labs. Our lab gets very excited when she hears it rattle.
Title: Re: prong training collars
Post by: SnowDog on October 22, 2010, 07:19:17 PM: pinch collars are awesome! Much better than choke collars.

(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dobbsdogs.com%2Fcatalog%2Fimages%2Fpinch_collar_qr.jpg&hash=220ba5f55b223ba13ec54b4682a561f974066caa)

Cheers!
SD
Title: Re: prong training collars
Post by: ribka on October 22, 2010, 07:54:28 PM: Used both and they work better than regular choke collars. Especially for big strong dogs
Title: Re: prong training collars
Post by: Shootmoore on October 22, 2010, 07:59:20 PM: Quote from: ribka on October 22, 2010, 07:54:28 PM
Used both and they work better than regular choke collars. Especially for big strong dogs

This, and they are also safer than a choke collar. A lot of people see them and think holy crap your stabbing your dog in the neck! Actually it just pinches them, its more of a minor pain compliance than choking the dog out with a choke collar. There is less chance of damaging the dogs throat with a pinch collar than using a choke collar.

It is also handy for teaching the dog to work on lead without pulling and checking the dog on a long line to teach him to hunt close (if you don't have a electronic collar).

Shootmoore
Title: Re: prong training collars
Post by: 10Key on October 22, 2010, 08:46:05 PM: Get a "spike" style pinch collar, they are leather with 1/4 inch, dull spikes. Go to gundogsupply.com. You will find them there.
Title: Re: prong training collars
Post by: skagit on October 23, 2010, 09:10:08 AM: Thanks for the info. I was talking about a pinch collar. It is good to hear that they work well.

Thanks!
Title: Re: prong training collars
Post by: Shootmoore on October 23, 2010, 09:58:38 AM: I almost forgot, fit is important with a pinch collar. However if you are talking about a pup who's neck size is going to grow, you can get 1 or 2 sizes larger than you need and remove links. You can then add the links back as the neck size changes. Saves you money from having to purchase multiple size collars.

Shootmoore
Title: Re: prong training collars
Post by: wildweeds on October 23, 2010, 01:08:26 PM: I use something totally different that can tame the wildest of dogs with just holding the leash/cord with 2 fingers,a modification and a big one of the "Half hitch".snap a carabiner to your collars ring,make sure the ring is in the center of the back of the neck,attach your checkcord/leash to the center ring go under the belly and up behind the front legs through the carabiner and shazam you got a lasso.There are nerves in the dogs armpits that don't like pressure applied to them,for heeling on right have the carabiner/rope setup on the right side,when you release the tension on the rope gravity will release the pressure.Basically the dog will submit to the pressure on it's own because they are doing it to themselves.Better than a halfhitch for heeling because your right on top of the action and the "Hitch" part of it always stays where it needs to be unlike the age old half hitch which shifts around and always invariably ends up in the useless position when it needs to be used.
Title: Re: prong training collars
Post by: Special T on October 23, 2010, 07:36:09 PM: I have used one like the pic before... On 2 chessies and a jack/shelty mix great collars! more effective and i believer better for the dog. :twocents:
Title: Re: prong training collars
Post by: mjbskwim on October 24, 2010, 11:36:58 PM: Quote from: SnowDog on October 22, 2010, 07:19:17 PM
pinch collars are awesome! Much better than choke collars.

(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dobbsdogs.com%2Fcatalog%2Fimages%2Fpinch_collar_qr.jpg&hash=220ba5f55b223ba13ec54b4682a561f974066caa)

Cheers!
SD

I think these are the best and safest,cause the dogs hate them and do as they are told.
Big heavy dogs,rotties and pit types,don't seem to care so much.Or if the dog has a thicker coat. But for the most part these work the best.

Another method to make a dog heal is to hold your 6' leash limp and change directions a lot while training .
Walk with the dog at your left,turn right quickly.This automatically snaps the leash and pulls the dog with you
Then when you turn towards the dog halfheartedly knee it in the nose.Pretty soon the dog is watching your leg to see where the hell you are going next.

I have done this with mine,I should say when I did this with mine,she healled great. Now ,at 9,she walks next to me when I say right here and put my finger down to my side.
Then to show off I have both dogs walk like that.