Post by: jackelope on October 26, 2010, 08:32:52 PM
They offer a 185 grain VLD round:
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HSM's Trophy Gold™ ammunition using Berger VLD bullets
Velocity: 3094 fps
Energy: 3933 ft/lbs
Barrel Length: 27.5"
Bullet B.C.: .549
They also offer a 210 grn version:
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HSM's Trophy Gold™ ammunition using Berger VLD bullets.
Velocity: 3050 fps
Energy: 4339 ft/lbs
Barrel Length: 27 1/2"
Bullet B.C.: .631
They have a 168 grain but I suspect the difference would not be worth the change.
Post by: MHWASH on October 27, 2010, 06:42:45 AM
Post by: GoldTip on October 27, 2010, 06:47:08 AM
Post by: jeepasaurusrex on October 27, 2010, 06:53:58 AM
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My Howa loves this bullet. I have got my tightest groups so far with it. (5 touching @200)
Post by: jjhunter on October 27, 2010, 07:04:29 AM
Post by: jackelope on October 27, 2010, 07:09:02 AM
Stick to the accubond for what you are doing. I handload the 190 Berger VLD for my 13 lb 300 Win Mag. I am getting 3110 fps out of a 27 1/2 Hart barrel. It will shoot in the teens and is a consistent 1/4 MOA rifle. I built it for shooting 600+ yards - mostly steel, but some hunting.
Thanks bud...that's the kind of info I was looking for. I will save my pennies till it comes time to ring some gongs.
Post by: Antlershed on October 27, 2010, 07:16:39 AM
Post by: wastickslinger on October 27, 2010, 07:28:02 AM
Post by: MtnMuley on October 27, 2010, 07:56:59 AM
Post by: longrange7mm on October 27, 2010, 08:02:41 AM
This is the lungs of one of my does last year at 711 with a 9 mph wind with the 115gr she was dead before she hit the ground
Post by: jackelope on October 27, 2010, 08:08:28 AM
Post by: MtnMuley on October 27, 2010, 08:11:09 AM
Post by: bobcat on October 27, 2010, 08:12:27 AM
Absolutely no grenading. Weight retention is great. Maybe I should share the video of your last doe lr7mm....... She was dead on four legs. :chuckle:
What about if the shot is at 50 yards instead of 500? Will the bullet still stay together at the higher velocity?
Post by: jackelope on October 27, 2010, 08:19:58 AM
Absolutely no grenading. Weight retention is great. Maybe I should share the video of your last doe lr7mm....... She was dead on four legs. :chuckle:
I've killed plenty of deer that did the boom-flop. That happens almost every time my buddy shoots one with Ballistic tips but they frag bad when they hit stuff.
Post by: wastickslinger on October 27, 2010, 08:28:36 AM
Absolutely no grenading. Weight retention is great. Maybe I should share the video of your last doe lr7mm....... She was dead on four legs. :chuckle:
I've killed plenty of deer that did the boom-flop. That happens almost every time my buddy shoots one with Ballistic tips but they frag bad when they hit stuff.
Your accubond should stay together. I shot my buck this year with a 160g accubond at 75 yards and it was a double lung trough and through.
Post by: luvtohnt on October 27, 2010, 08:41:38 AM
Brandon
Post by: longrange7mm on October 27, 2010, 08:42:48 AM
Absolutely no grenading. Weight retention is great. Maybe I should share the video of your last doe lr7mm....... She was dead on four legs. :chuckle:yea she was like a bug that just found a car window lmfao. actually the 115 i recovered from my blacktails off side shoulder was a little disturbing. i will get a pic of that bullet. yea MtnMuley if you got that video downloaded go ahead and post it up here!
Post by: jackelope on October 27, 2010, 08:50:46 AM
It seems that maybe the 7mag's get the most benefit from all aspects, which I assume is why it seems like the Best of the West guys really like shooting 7mag's.
Post by: bobcat on October 27, 2010, 08:53:34 AM
Post by: luvtohnt on October 27, 2010, 09:00:26 AM
Brandon
Post by: longrange7mm on October 27, 2010, 09:08:04 AM
I'm not too worried about the AB's and it's probably a silly topic for discussion anyway because there's nothing wrong with what I am currently using, but we were BS'ing at work yesterday about these bullets and the huge BC some of them carry and I figured it would make for good discussion. Plus I get curious about stuff and like to look at other possibilities now and then.
It seems that maybe the 7mag's get the most benefit from all aspects, which I assume is why it seems like the Best of the West guys really like shooting 7mag's.
there also using the 6.5x 284 alot anymore.. and yes the vld does perform well in some 7mm's i could not get a 2" group with them out of my first 7mm it was a Ruger but was a tack driver with the 160gr barnes triple shocks. Here is the 2506 115 gr bullet from my blacktail @ 40 yds
Post by: bobcat on October 27, 2010, 09:09:39 AM
When you say BC are you reffering to Ballitic co-efficent?
Brandon
Yes.
Post by: jeepasaurusrex on October 27, 2010, 09:10:48 AM
Hey jeep, what powder are you using with those 130's in your .270? Thanks
That one had 56gr of H4831sc behind it.
Post by: MtnMuley on October 27, 2010, 09:26:08 AM
Post by: jackelope on October 27, 2010, 10:17:17 AM
I think with the 300 mags you just need to go with the heaviest bullets available, for the higher BC's and better long range capability. I know that 30 caliber 200 grain Accubond has a very high BC.
Higher than .631?
I can't get on any of the sites I could find that info on.
Post by: WDFW-SUX on October 27, 2010, 10:20:06 AM
Those VLD's are problems waiting to happen IMO.
B.C. is only part of the deal.
Post by: bobcat on October 27, 2010, 10:24:46 AM
Post by: jackelope on October 27, 2010, 10:36:06 AM
B.C. is only part of the deal.
I agree and I would likely just stay with the AB's for now. Definitely not making any changes at this stage in the game.
Post by: MtnMuley on October 27, 2010, 02:58:58 PM
Post by: WDFW-SUX on October 27, 2010, 03:01:59 PM
Post by: MtnMuley on October 27, 2010, 03:07:04 PM
Post by: scottL on October 29, 2010, 03:27:25 PM
140 gr. Berger VLDs in 6.5 caliber were my favorite bullet for about 2-3 years running and I and numerous other hunters had a chance to take a *slew* of does with it at an average of right about 225 yards. But frankly I just don't want to use them again and have started switching completely away from them at all ranges (was shooting them mostly out of my 15.1 lb rig built on an Accuracy International stock with a Nightforce 5.5-22 x56mm scope) regardless of the wind drift advantage.
In about a dozen animals taken by my family and 2 other families with this rig on doe patrol, we saw terminal performance that was good about 50 to 60% of the time but the rest of the time (despite the bullets, brass, powder and primers coming from the very same lot #s and printing great on paper) varied *wildly*, even when some of the does were shot on the same temps at very close to the same distances (less than 45 yards variance.) Some penciled right through with almost no blood trail at all and a long tracking job ensued; some blew up completely inside (only 2 small shards of the copper jacket and no lead frags recovered at all); one was an intentional neck shot that left a 4" hole 100% of the way through the neck (inlet and exit, plus even through the spine); 2 went in with an entrance hole about the size expected but didn't expand - then unexpectedly abruptly swerved nearly 90 degrees straight upward (thank goodness) about 10" and took out the spine; and 1 had an entrance hole so small (and no exit hole) that it took us nearly 15 minutes to figure out why the doe literally fell over instantly - just about surmised that we'd scared it to death! And yes, we were running the recommended rifling twist rate on this gun, at 1-in-8.5" in a Mike R 5C barrel...
Then I found out after last season (when I decided to switch) that my gun smith (who recommended them to me originally) was looking to switch away from them in various calibers too due to inconsistent performance. For example he shot 1 buck using (as I recall) his match .308 at about 200 yards and although it was a heart/lung shot the buck ran quite a ways. After tracking it he found that the bullet had entered exactly where he planned with the buck quartering away but the bullet didn't expand at all and instead inexplicably swerved up into the neck and lodged alongside the spine.
Since then I've started working up loads on other bullets. I figure if it's a range that I can't adequately judge that much of a wind difference for (between the VLDs and other bullets with more predictable terminal performance), I probably just shouldn't be shooting that far anyway given my personal ability level. No bullet performs 100% of the time but even 60% is too low for my comfort level. Just my personal opinion on and experience with the VLDs of course.
Post by: MtnMuley on October 29, 2010, 03:33:36 PM