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Title: Taking deer to the butcher???
Post by: WDFW Hates ME!!! on October 31, 2010, 11:11:21 AM: What do i need. I am going to cut the deer myself but i want to take the meat to the butcher to be made into pepperoni. Do i need to keep the tag with the meat or with the antlers going to the taxidermist??? Kind of hard to have the tag in 2 places at once???

Thanks
Title: Re: Taking deer to the butcher???
Post by: elkfan2 on October 31, 2010, 11:13:32 AM: The taxidermist will need the tag with the horns and you should be able to leave your wild id number with the meat shop.
Title: Re: Taking deer to the butcher???
Post by: DOUBLELUNG on October 31, 2010, 11:15:00 AM: Tag stays with the meat. License number and WILD ID # get entered into the taxi's log book, along with your contact info. Butcher should have a log book also, which will take same info.
Title: Re: Taking deer to the butcher???
Post by: bigpaw on October 31, 2010, 11:16:07 AM: I did just what Double Lung said. tag with the meat and wild Id in the log book and the taxi.
Title: Re: Taking deer to the butcher???
Post by: 50CalJim on October 31, 2010, 11:35:30 AM: I've always Just had the Butcher photocopy the Tag & give that to the Taxi. Never had a problem.
Title: Re: Taking deer to the butcher???
Post by: BLKBEARKLR on October 31, 2010, 12:05:27 PM: Quote from: elkfan2 on October 31, 2010, 11:13:32 AM
The taxidermist will need the tag with the horns and you should be able to leave your wild id number with the meat shop.

Taxidermist will never keep your tag, we just need wild ID and document number, tag always stays with the meat.

Joe
Title: Re: Taking deer to the butcher???
Post by: carpsniperg2 on October 31, 2010, 12:33:30 PM: :yeah: thats 100% right. i also have known a few meat shops that will photo copy the tag, and give you a copy to take as well. or you could do it yourself with a copy. but the taxi does not keep the tag.
Title: Re: Taking deer to the butcher???
Post by: Bob33 on October 31, 2010, 12:35:16 PM: The tag must stay with the meat at all times until it is fully consumed.
Title: Re: Taking deer to the butcher???
Post by: Michelle_Nelson on October 31, 2010, 02:08:57 PM: The law says that the tag must remain with the meat. The taxidermist only needs the Wild ID and Doc# off of your Tag. Wild ID's are either 11 (xxxx-xxx-xxxx) or 12 (xxxx-xxx-xxxxx) numbers. The Document number is between 14 and 15 numbers and is continuous.

I like it when hunters bring me a photo copy of there tag. IMO thats the best way to do it.
Title: Re: Taking deer to the butcher???
Post by: ELKBURGER on October 31, 2010, 02:23:49 PM: I always process my own meat and have taken the boneless scrap to a butcher for pepperoni or sausage. The butcher has never needed the tag for boneless meat, only if they have the entire carcass. I keep all my tags, punched or not, so no one takes your tag, only info from the tag. Congrats on your deer!
Title: Re: Taking deer to the butcher???
Post by: butcher98951 on October 31, 2010, 03:39:24 PM: The tag has to stay with the meat its the law even if its scraps or bones out the butcher needs that tag....(By Law)
Title: Re: Taking deer to the butcher???
Post by: bobcat on October 31, 2010, 03:41:44 PM: I've taken boned out meat in many times to be ground for hamburger or made into sausage, and they never want to see a tag, or even take down any information, other than my name and a phone number to call when the meat is ready.
Title: Re: Taking deer to the butcher???
Post by: butcher98951 on October 31, 2010, 04:10:18 PM: I own a meat shop and it is the law if a warden was to go in there and your meat had no tag big find for the both of you...
Title: Re: Taking deer to the butcher???
Post by: gasman on October 31, 2010, 04:16:05 PM: Make your own peperoni, I am on my third batch :drool:
Title: Re: Taking deer to the butcher???
Post by: BLKBEARKLR on October 31, 2010, 04:28:08 PM: Quote from: butcher98951 on October 31, 2010, 04:10:18 PM
I own a meat shop and it is the law if a warden was to go in there and your meat had no tag big find for the both of you...

And that my friends comes straight from the butchers mouth!!!!!

And he is 100% correct. just because you are not doing it and nothing has ever happened still does not change the law.

Joe
Title: Re: Taking deer to the butcher???
Post by: Bob33 on October 31, 2010, 04:45:54 PM: An enforcement officer can even (with probable cause) look in someone's freezer. Meat without a tag = a poached animal. A tag must always be with meat until consumed or you run the risk of being cited with a serious violation.
Title: Re: Taking deer to the butcher???
Post by: Yelm hunter on November 01, 2010, 10:01:54 AM: I'm not sure what Butcher you go to... But Stewart's Meat always needs a copy of the tag. It is state law that you must show your original tag to the butcher whole game animal or boneless (cut up) game animal. They will either keep the tag or make a copy. If a game warden happens to go into the butcher and asks whos animal that is and there is no tag. They will get fined and so will you as a Hunter!!
When you pick up your meat the butcher will give you your original tag back. Now with the Taxi like Michelle says they only need to document the numbers down and take a copy of the tag. Zach at Rainier Taxi. were I'm getting my buck done that is all he did.
Just me :twocents: :twocents:2 cents :twocents: :twocents
Don't get caught!!
Also remember if you kill a elk you must either leave the balls attached or the head. That is state law too...
Title: Re: Taking deer to the butcher???
Post by: jackelope on November 01, 2010, 10:05:31 AM: I don't know the law but I'm really curious to see how many times people will post the exact same thing.
Title: Re: Taking deer to the butcher???
Post by: madmack76 on November 01, 2010, 10:07:18 AM: :chuckle:
Title: Re: Taking deer to the butcher???
Post by: Skinnyman on November 01, 2010, 10:11:24 AM: "2. Transporting Wildlife:
You must transport any big game animal with
the proper tag attached. The properly validated
tag must remain with the meat until it is eaten
(including cold storage).
If quartered, the tag should remain with the carcass
or largest portion of the carcass. If you need to
take the head to a taxidermist and the meat to
be processed, you can complete a taxidermy
ledger or invoice, providing information outlined
under "Possession and Use of Wildlife" for the
taxidermist, and keep the tag with the meat at the
processor"
Title: Re: Taking deer to the butcher???
Post by: bobcat on November 01, 2010, 10:16:09 AM: I don't know the law either, but it's not my problem. If I bring part of the meat from an animal in to be ground up, and I have the tag with me and ask if they need/want it, and they don't, then that is their problem if they are in violation of the law. The other question I have is that if I were to bring the tag with me, then what about all the other meat that is still at my house, now with no tag? I have experience with 3 or 4 different shops and none of them ever wanted to see a tag when I brought in meat to be ground up. One of those animals was a moose, so that was not just a small amount of meat. We had the tag and asked if they needed it, and they did not. Did not want tag numbers or anything else.
Title: Re: Taking deer to the butcher???
Post by: bobcat on November 01, 2010, 10:18:43 AM: Quote from: Skinnyman on November 01, 2010, 10:11:24 AM
If quartered, the tag should remain with the carcass
or largest portion of the carcass.

That must be the key sentence for me. I don't ever bring a whole animal to a butcher shop. I cut all the steaks myself and only take in the rest of it to be ground.

There, now I've said the same thing how many times Jackelope? :chuckle:
Title: Re: Taking deer to the butcher???
Post by: pods8 on November 01, 2010, 01:10:19 PM: Quote from: butcher98951 on October 31, 2010, 04:10:18 PM
I own a meat shop and it is the law if a warden was to go in there and your meat had no tag big find for the both of you...

I'd go ahead and have the butcher copy the tag for doing the ground portion but no way would I leave the original with them, I'd want that back with the larger portion of meat from the rest of the carcass in my freezer.
Title: Re: Taking deer to the butcher???
Post by: wastickslinger on November 01, 2010, 01:22:42 PM: Quote from: butcher98951 on October 31, 2010, 03:39:24 PM
The tag has to stay with the meat its the law even if its scraps or bones out the butcher needs that tag....(By Law)

What if you are taking 25 lbs of scraps to the butcher and there is 50 lbs cut and wrapped in your freezer? I though the law was that the tag stayed with the largest portion of the deer. :dunno:
Title: Re: Taking deer to the butcher???
Post by: BLKBEARKLR on November 01, 2010, 02:00:41 PM: For all the ones that want to read into the gray area, what if I gots me a burger in the freezer, one in my truck and I want another one made at wendys. Oh my what do I do. Go to KINKOS. They will gladly make you 3 copies for 14 cents apiece. There solves the problem. Lot of what ifs out there when it is has been clearly identified as being a law.

Sorry jack had to say it one more time.

Joe
Title: Re: Taking deer to the butcher???
Post by: sporked horn on November 01, 2010, 02:13:48 PM: Glad I saw this post before I took my buck in to have it processed. When I lived in Portlandistan the butcher would just take the info off the tag and give it back to me with the rack.
Title: Re: Taking deer to the butcher???
Post by: Yelm hunter on November 01, 2010, 03:04:55 PM: I agree with the KINKO'S.... Make a few copies... 33$ cents sure beats a fine were you can't hunt anymore!!! Read the rules pamphlet people... That's why they make those and they are also online...
Title: Re: Taking deer to the butcher???
Post by: bobcat on November 01, 2010, 03:14:05 PM: No Kinkos for me. I'll just go with what the law says and leave the tag with the largest portion of meat.
Title: Re: Taking deer to the butcher???
Post by: Bob33 on November 01, 2010, 03:19:39 PM: http://apps.leg.wa.gov/WAC/default.aspx?cite=232-12-061 (http://apps.leg.wa.gov/WAC/default.aspx?cite=232-12-061)

WAC 232-12-061 Agency filings affecting this section
Tagging requirements.
It is unlawful for a person who kills a big game animal or turkey to fail to immediately cut out and completely remove from his or her tag the designated notches corresponding to the day and month of the kill for that species (unless the tagging requirement is specifically exempted by the fish and wildlife commission), and to fail to immediately attach his or her notched tag to the carcass of such animal or bird. That tag must remain attached to the carcass while it is being transported and must remain with the wildlife during the period of retention of the edible parts.
Title: Re: Taking deer to the butcher???
Post by: Yelm hunter on November 01, 2010, 03:33:21 PM: BOB...has it exactally as the rule book!! No matter what part of meat you have big portion or not. YOU MUST have the tag or a copy of it with the game at ALL TIMES!!
Title: Re: Taking deer to the butcher???
Post by: bobcat on November 01, 2010, 03:52:42 PM: I see nothing that says a copy of a tag is valid. It says the "notched tag" must be attached to the carcass. NOT a "copy" of the notched tag. I would like to see what would happen if a game warden were to check an animal hanging in a camp with just a copy of a tag attached. :chuckle:
Title: Re: Taking deer to the butcher???
Post by: Bob33 on November 01, 2010, 03:58:19 PM: Quote from: bobcat on November 01, 2010, 03:52:42 PM
I see nothing that says a copy of a tag is valid. It says the "notched tag" must be attached to the carcass. NOT a "copy" of the notched tag. I would like to see what would happen if a game warden were to check an animal hanging in a camp with just a copy of a tag attached. :chuckle:
That's an easy one, Bob. You get a COPY of the ticket. :chuckle:
Title: Re: Taking deer to the butcher???
Post by: wastickslinger on November 01, 2010, 04:07:46 PM: I would like to know the ruling on this, not just all of our opinions. What bob33 states is "the notched tag must remain with the edible parts" others have said that a copy should be with it. So what is the right answer. It is a serious scenario, not a what if I take my burger to wendy's like joked about. I have some meat here that I cut and wrap myself and some goes to the bucher for peperoni. I have always kept my tag with my cuts in the freezer. The butcher just takes my info. I would hate to have a warden stop in the butcher and write him and I a fine. Skinnyman posted the "tag must stay with the largest portion". So which interpretation is more correct, does the actual tag go to butcher like our butcher on here says has to happen, or do we give the butcher a copy and hope that works?
Title: Re: Taking deer to the butcher???
Post by: BLKBEARKLR on November 01, 2010, 04:30:21 PM: Ok after being on the phone with fish and wildlife for 26 minutes here is what I found out. If you kill a deer and bring it home the tag stays with the mat while you process it. Then when you are ready to take your meat to the butcher the tag goes with that meat. It does not matter what portions are bigger wether it be in your freezer or going to the butcher the tag goes to the butcher. You are transporting meat then and therfore the tag goes with the meat being transported.

if any more questions you may call 360-902-2200 wait for ten minutes and then get transferred to the wildlife dept wait for 7 minutes then get transferred to enforcement make sure you push 0, if not it sends you back to wildlife and you wait another 7 minutes.

No duplicate tags are supposed to be made.

Have a nice day.

Joe
Title: Re: Taking deer to the butcher???
Post by: wastickslinger on November 01, 2010, 04:35:17 PM: Quote from: BLKBEARKLR on November 01, 2010, 04:30:21 PM
Ok after being on the phone with fish and wildlife for 26 minutes here is what I found out. If you kill a deer and bring it home the tag stays with the mat while you process it. Then when you are ready to take your meat to the butcher the tag goes with that meat. It does not matter what portions are bigger wether it be in your freezer or going to the butcher the tag goes to the butcher. You are transporting meat then and therfore the tag goes with the meat being transported.

if any more questions you may call 360-902-2200 wait for ten minutes and then get transferred to the wildlife dept wait for 7 minutes then get transferred to enforcement make sure you push 0, if not it sends you back to wildlife and you wait another 7 minutes.

No duplicate tags are supposed to be made.

Have a nice day.

Joe

Thank you for taking the time to clarify. So to make it clear as mud, dont follow what the game book says, follow what Olympia says. You should have requested it in writing. :chuckle: If by chance they do check your freezer I guess you can tell them if that want to see your tag go the butcher.
Title: Re: Taking deer to the butcher???
Post by: BLKBEARKLR on November 01, 2010, 06:30:28 PM: Quote from: wastickslinger on November 01, 2010, 04:35:17 PM
Quote from: BLKBEARKLR on November 01, 2010, 04:30:21 PM
Ok after being on the phone with fish and wildlife for 26 minutes here is what I found out. If you kill a deer and bring it home the tag stays with the mat while you process it. Then when you are ready to take your meat to the butcher the tag goes with that meat. It does not matter what portions are bigger wether it be in your freezer or going to the butcher the tag goes to the butcher. You are transporting meat then and therfore the tag goes with the meat being transported.

if any more questions you may call 360-902-2200 wait for ten minutes and then get transferred to the wildlife dept wait for 7 minutes then get transferred to enforcement make sure you push 0, if not it sends you back to wildlife and you wait another 7 minutes.

No duplicate tags are supposed to be made.

Have a nice day.

Joe

Thank you for taking the time to clarify. So to make it clear as mud, dont follow what the game book says, follow what Olympia says. You should have requested it in writing. :chuckle: If by chance they do check your freezer I guess you can tell them if that want to see your tag go the butcher.

That is exactly what she said.
Title: Re: Taking deer to the butcher???
Post by: bobcat on November 01, 2010, 06:33:42 PM: Well, I guess I have always done it the right way then. When I take my "scraps" to a meat shop to be ground up or made into sausage/pepperoni, I always have the tag with me. But as I said before, NEVER has the meat shop wanted to keep the tag or even look at it. And again, I don't see that as my problem. If a game warden happens to show up at the meat shop and determines they have deer/elk meat with no tag, and IF that is in violation of the law, then that business will get the fine, not me.
Title: Re: Taking deer to the butcher???
Post by: ICEMAN on November 02, 2010, 05:26:53 AM: Just so we don't get in trouble, we make 125 copies of our hunting license and tag, attach a copy to each steak we cut and each sausage we make. We also fill out a game transport card for each bite of steak so that anyone who eats it at our house is good to go home and they will not get in trouble carrying the steak in their stomach. We also hire a team of lawyers to go hunting with us, stay with us, and travel with us to the range or woods so that we are compliant, yet if we make contact with a gamie, we issue a statement from our legal team. Oops, forgot to add that we have a camera crew video document everything we do to protect us from prosecution. We also donate heavily to the party in office at the time, and make a reasonable giving at church.
Title: Re: Taking deer to the butcher???
Post by: rasbo on November 02, 2010, 05:51:11 AM: well,I have decided to eat my deer on the spot,tag it clean it and fry it up.I will bring in some taters and onions,hmmm do I need a transport reciept for the taters and onions..
Title: Re: Taking deer to the butcher???
Post by: Yelm hunter on November 02, 2010, 07:33:49 AM: hahaha...Only in California!!
Title: Re: Taking deer to the butcher???
Post by: croix on November 02, 2010, 07:45:32 AM: Quote from: rasbo on November 02, 2010, 05:51:11 AM
well,I have decided to eat my deer on the spot,tag it clean it and fry it up.I will bring in some taters and onions,hmmm do I need a transport reciept for the taters and onions..

to be safe you should just plant taters and onions in the woods and shoot your deer where you plant. besides, then all you have to pack into the woods is salt and pepper.
Title: Re: Taking deer to the butcher???
Post by: Bob33 on November 02, 2010, 07:50:37 AM: Quote from: rasbo on November 02, 2010, 05:51:11 AM
well,I have decided to eat my deer on the spot,tag it clean it and fry it up.I will bring in some taters and onions,hmmm do I need a transport reciept for the taters and onions..
Yes. Make sure the tag is attached to the largest part of the onion.
Title: Re: Taking deer to the butcher???
Post by: WDFW-SUX on November 02, 2010, 08:16:15 AM: What about road kill fellas?