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Big Game Hunting => Muzzleloader Hunting => Topic started by: iceman91m on November 17, 2010, 03:40:06 PM

Title: WA Muzzy Rules
Post by: iceman91m on November 17, 2010, 03:40:06 PM: So why is it that i cant use a t/c encore with powerbelts and a scope? I've never muzzy hunted but i wanted to start but not if i cant use powerbelts? Info would be much appriciated...

Thanks Y'all
Title: Re: WA Muzzy Rules
Post by: jackelope on November 17, 2010, 03:41:20 PM: You can use powerbelts all you want, you just can't use the Encore or the scope.
Title: Re: WA Muzzy Rules
Post by: teanawayslayer on November 17, 2010, 03:52:54 PM: you have to have an exposed breech, nipple to the elements. and no scope. Get a different gun.
Title: Re: WA Muzzy Rules
Post by: halflife65 on November 17, 2010, 04:01:42 PM: Sometimes I have an exposed breech and a nipple to the elements. Am I legal?
Title: Re: WA Muzzy Rules
Post by: bobcat on November 17, 2010, 04:04:54 PM: Quote from: halflife65 on November 17, 2010, 04:01:42 PM
Sometimes I have an exposed breech and a nipple to the elements. Am I legal?

No. If it is "capable of being enclosed..." it's not legal.
Title: Re: WA Muzzy Rules
Post by: halflife65 on November 17, 2010, 04:06:29 PM: *censored*...
Title: Re: WA Muzzy Rules
Post by: J Snow73 on November 17, 2010, 04:30:38 PM: Then you will be modern rifle hunting really not much different then a single shot rifle :rolleyes:
Title: Re: WA Muzzy Rules
Post by: rh4usmc on November 17, 2010, 06:02:58 PM: Traditions has a new "NorthWest Edition" Vortex. its a break open but the nipple is exposed and comes with no.11 nipple not a 209 like all the rest have now days...
Title: Re: WA Muzzy Rules
Post by: carver52 on November 17, 2010, 06:16:29 PM: There once was a reason it was called a traditional hunt. As in original style muzzy loaders, flintlocks etc.
Title: Re: WA Muzzy Rules
Post by: halflife65 on November 17, 2010, 07:11:58 PM: There might be some confusion - I personally sometimes have an exposed breach and a nipple to the elements. I wondered if I was legal - It has nothing to do with my choice of weapon. I'm no muzzleloader hunter.

I did draw the multi season tag one year, borrow a (legal) muzzleloader and shot a buck. It was pretty cool and I would definitely consider taking up muzzleloader hunting.

From TC's new website:
http://www.tcarms.com/firearms/northwest_explorer.php (http://www.tcarms.com/firearms/northwest_explorer.php)

Description:

Thompson/Center answers the call of Northwest hunters with the new NorthWest Explorer™. With design features such as an exposed breech system, #11 cap ignition and metal sights, the NorthWest Explorer meets the legal regulations of western states like Idaho, Washington and Oregon. The drop breech design makes access to the breech simple for both loading and cleaning. Additionally, this muzzleloader features models with stainless steel barrels or barrels coated with T/C’s tough-as-nails, corrosion resistant Weather Shield™. So whatever the conditions, the NorthWest Explorer is ready to handle the elements.

This is something that I'll look into if I ever decide to buy one.
Title: Re: WA Muzzy Rules
Post by: WDFW Hates ME!!! on November 17, 2010, 07:27:38 PM: I saw a non legal muzzy made legal by having a hole machined into the enclosure above the nipple, therefore exposing the musket cap.
Title: Re: WA Muzzy Rules
Post by: birdwacker on November 19, 2010, 06:56:02 PM: I wouldn't recommend the tc nw explorer because it has a 1in48 twist and you want a 1in28 twist to stabilize sabots.
Title: Re: WA Muzzy Rules
Post by: halflife65 on November 19, 2010, 07:33:39 PM: Quote from: birdwacker on November 19, 2010, 06:56:02 PM
I wouldn't recommend the tc nw explorer because it has a 1in48 twist and you want a 1in28 twist to stabilize sabots.

Thanks for the info. Like I said, I'm not a muzzleloader hunter but I really do appreciate learning new things. A lot of posts are just people spouting off about this or that (NOTHING wrong with that - I do it all the time) but once in a while I feel like I actually learn something...I'll read up more on barrel twist in muzzleloaders.
Title: Re: WA Muzzy Rules
Post by: rock on November 21, 2010, 06:38:17 AM: yes no closed breech and no 209 primer. :jacked: would the buckhorn be considered open breech?
Title: Re: WA Muzzy Rules
Post by: Machias on November 21, 2010, 06:54:22 AM: Quote from: rock on November 21, 2010, 06:38:17 AM
yes no closed breech and no 209 primer. :jacked: would the buckhorn be considered open breech?

Yes the buckhorn and elkhorn are considered legal in WA.
Title: Re: WA Muzzy Rules
Post by: Tman on November 21, 2010, 07:00:24 AM: I would go with the TC Black Diamond if you could find one around used, I don't believe they make them anymore, but its a great gun IMO.
Title: Re: WA Muzzy Rules
Post by: wastickslinger on November 21, 2010, 09:20:49 AM: I have a TC black diamond and a CVA Elkhorn. I personally like the Elkorn better. :twocents:

On a side note I hate having my nipples exposed to the elements. They chap.
Title: Re: WA Muzzy Rules
Post by: Tman on November 21, 2010, 09:28:55 AM: Quote from: wastickslinger on November 21, 2010, 09:20:49 AM
On a side note I hate having my nipples exposed to the elements. They chap.

Sounds like a personal problem.. Have you tried vasoliine :chuckle:
Title: Re: WA Muzzy Rules
Post by: rock on November 21, 2010, 03:13:40 PM: so they cant have a 209 primer?
Title: Re: WA Muzzy Rules
Post by: Tman on November 21, 2010, 03:23:26 PM: No.