Post by: d-rock on November 28, 2010, 01:29:21 PM
If anyone is interested in paying it forward I would appreciate it.
Post by: demontang on November 28, 2010, 01:31:40 PM
Post by: Jerry malbeck on November 28, 2010, 08:11:21 PM
Post by: chester on November 28, 2010, 08:13:47 PM
I think your going to find it difficult to get a seasoned caller to assist you . Seasoned callers have spent endless hours and big money to learn the tricks of the trade . time and money spent on fuel to get to available land , and to get permission to hunt private ground . a seasoned caller has spent years on stands and years of being educated by the coyotes he persues , I have in the past shared stands with people i have met only to find said persons coming back to hunt the ground i took them to . BIG no no , there is a creed among callers , if i take you to some of my ground you do not go there without me and a invite to do so .Most seasoned callers dont even like to hunt with another person , and most only have one or perhaps two close friends that they will even consider setting a stand with . Coyote callers as a rule are pretty much loners and take calling very seriously.You would have better luck asking if you could borrow their wife for a weekend.( gives them more time to go calling ) In the last five years i have had hundreds of people ask me to take them calling and teach them what i know , i had to learn the hard way , hours and hours in the field and asking permission to hunt on private ground, tons of money spent on fuel .The reason i posted this is so you might have a better understanding of what you are asking from a total stranger . Maybe youll get lucky and find someone gracious enough to take you along , and assist you as you fumble thru the learning process , missing called in coyotes and educating them, and generaly messing up the calling spots they frequent . If indeed you do you will have found a good friend with a kind heart. I was hesitating typing this post but thought it would be important that you understand what you are asking somone to do . I might suggest you find some good coyote country and then ask somone to come to your ground and help you learn .Good post
Post by: d-rock on November 29, 2010, 10:12:16 AM
I totally understand all this.
But the most someone can do is say no, and the only stupid question is an unasked question.
I am asking for a general lesson. Even if no coyotes show it would be nice to know what supposed to work.
If anyone is interested, I know of a lot of ground that I have heard or seen coyote signs on in the past. I have a hunting range that regularly goes from the Cle Elum/Ellensburg area (own small camp membership) to the Shelton where I currently live. I hunt all the area and all areas in between that I can find.
Post by: d-rock on November 29, 2010, 10:20:49 AM
I'm just looking to learn a few tricks and the basics.
Post by: Lowedog on November 29, 2010, 10:49:42 AM
I have been calling for coyotes for several years now and very much still a rookie. Seams like I learn something new with every stand I make.
Post by: trippledigitss on November 29, 2010, 11:32:27 AM
Post by: billythekidrock on November 29, 2010, 05:11:55 PM
Try posting a bit more about yourself. Age, experience, location, equipment, etc. I am sure that someone would go look over new country if you were willing to pay gas and they had an idea who they were taking out in the woods.
Post by: Bofire on November 29, 2010, 08:08:39 PM
1. Go hunting. Get off the road, get off the road!!!!!!~! :bash:
2.Watch the wind from when you are driving, to where you park, to where you hunt, a set up dont work if the approach dont!
:rolleyes:3 There are no perfect stands :dunno:
4 once you start calling stop moving. move your eyes, see #3, you can never see it all, dont move to try, or move slowwwwwww!
5. make sure you kill them when they come in, you aint a teacher.
other than that its purty simple. :chuckle:
Carl
Post by: Jerry malbeck on November 30, 2010, 05:50:04 AM
I'm still new to this, just started about a year or so ago and been out a dozen times or so and have gotten 6-7 dogs. But I have found a few guys here who are willing to share info, hunting spots, and even take me out - and I very grateful to them for that as well. (and no I dont go back to their spots unless they say its OK) Am i in the Woodinville area and lately I have been fairly sucessful getting yotes here on the west side on smaller properties I got permission to hunt by providing free coyote control for the landowners. If you have areas to hunt that you are seeing good signs I'd be happy to head out with you and share my limited knowledge with you. Its not much but its been working for me! Shoot me a PM or something if you want to talk more.;) your doing sompthing right, thats a 50% call in ratio , thats awsome . Jerry .
Post by: halflife65 on November 30, 2010, 06:10:18 AM
A good piece of advice from Jerry: "I might suggest you find some good coyote country and then ask somone to come to your ground and help you learn." As mentioned, most people aren't going to give up their spots.
I'm not a coyote hunter or I'd take you out and show you around...
Post by: bearmanric on November 30, 2010, 10:39:31 AM
Post by: ivarhusa on November 30, 2010, 04:53:41 PM
...You would have better luck asking if you could borrow their wife for a weekend.( gives them more time to go calling... )Now that's funny! OK, and likely true...
It may sound lame, and only 'partially helpful', but I draw much encouragement for calling from two sources: first, the feedback I get on this site, and secondly coyote hunting DVDs. OK, DVD's do not replace time in the field, and some DVDs are better about showing you the setup than others. I get more info out of Randy Anderson DVDs than Les Johnson (Predator Quest) for example.
I am making friends of similar "novice-ivity" and we learn from each other that way. (I went out with Sidewinder this morning, until the freezing rain shut us down. Had one coyote move to our calling site, but he busted us before we got to see him. All we saw were the tracks in the fresh snow. Some stands are like that.)
Post by: Big10gauge on November 30, 2010, 06:33:00 PM
I might add there are several coyote hunters here in Wa that can teach all of us a few things but they are pretty much closed mouth and probably rightly so.
Post by: trippledigitss on November 30, 2010, 09:46:21 PM
;) your doing sompthing right, thats a 50% call in ratio , thats awsome . Jerry .Thanks for the encouragement. I watched a few videos/tv shows and I went out 4 or 5 times on my own when I started out and just went to areas I *thought* coyotes would be at and never saw or heard anything. So I got REAL discouraged since I was expecting them to come running after one or two blows on the call!! (then someone on here told me 'its not like the pied piper' or something like that) So I was in for a big surprise when I realized how challenging it would be! Then I went out with PredatorPro (when I got my 1st dog) and also before that to areas where BIGINNER told me about where those guys KNEW there were dogs and that really helped alot - seeing what an experienced hunter did and knowing I was doing the right things, had the right equip, etc. But the area that BIGINNER sent me to was FULL of signs, fresh tracks, scat, howls, etc everywhere - and lots of wind too - but I didnt get anything - so more frustration! But alot time in the field and practice came all in short time and proved very helpful now that I have areas to hunt where I know the coyotes are at. But I'm still learning everytime out of course. I took my 9yo son out Sunday to my Granite Falls *honey* hole and we didnt call one in - and I know they are there and they are being seen almost daily - but I have gotten one the last 4 times in row out there, so I may be overworking the area, I dont know....
I want to head back over to the east side and get out with PredatorPro again real soon.
Post by: Jerry malbeck on November 30, 2010, 11:24:54 PM
Ivar , your doing it right , the time in the field . the best teacher is old Wiley coyote .
You have a great passion for this sport , that's what it takes to become a great caller , your well on your way Sir .
One suggestion i forgot to tell you the other day , start keeping a journal( i think i mentioned that i used to do this) keep track of location , wind , time on stand before and after coyote showed up , how many came to call , moon phase , air temps and time of day, direction coyotes came from up or down wind. at the end of a year look it over you ll find some interesting info .
Post by: ivarhusa on December 01, 2010, 08:03:37 AM
It is not like I didn't know that roads are important routes for yotes, but just how important.
Post by: d-rock on December 01, 2010, 01:17:22 PM
I have been around enough hunters to know there are the Animal Beer drinkin, Road Huntin, sleep in because it's rainin guys out there, and then there are the real hunters that produce AND have a great time.
Looks like there are enough of those guys on this website that I figured I would ask.
Thanks for the insight and the offer to go out that a couple guys that have offered. I will be contacting you when I am in your area. Predator hunting seems like a GREAT way to hone my hunting skills and start knockin them down.
Post by: ivarhusa on December 01, 2010, 01:46:58 PM
.. sleep in because it's rainin guys out there, and then there are the real hunters...You might be looking at the wrong forum. I don't know any coyote callers, on the east side at least, that call in the rain. :)
Maybe we are just spoiled.
Ivar
Post by: d-rock on December 01, 2010, 02:28:39 PM
I guess that leads to a new question, do coyotes move more or less in bad weather like rain and snow? I've seen that snow in general makes them move due to availability of food, but is it better hunting on nice days or rainy/snowy?
Post by: d-rock on December 01, 2010, 02:42:09 PM
Post by: Jerry malbeck on December 01, 2010, 08:25:45 PM
Post by: ivarhusa on December 01, 2010, 10:10:32 PM
Post by: Big10gauge on December 02, 2010, 07:29:00 AM
Ivar , do you remember the stand where i asked you where you would set up ? remember we didnt set up there ? remember we set up with that road in front of us? I will always do that as long as i am sure my vehicle will not be seen .
I never would have imagined Jerry as a "Road Hunter" :chuckle: :chuckle:
Now quit giving away that kind of info. :rolleyes: :chuckle:
Post by: Jerry malbeck on December 02, 2010, 08:32:26 PM
I do give away alot of little gems here and there , but i like to see guys like Ivar who have a real passion to learn all he can about calling , this poor guy has the fever BAD :yike:
Post by: Big10gauge on December 03, 2010, 05:01:32 PM
Post by: trippledigitss on December 04, 2010, 02:03:45 PM
.....He was duped pretty bad. About 40 seconds into the call, and he was taking the corners a full speed. :chuckle:HaHaHA! Thats a good one! I'd be thinking I tricked you I tricked you :IBCOOL: :chuckle: