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Big Game Hunting => Wolves => Topic started by: Special T on December 02, 2010, 02:53:41 PM

Title: Wolves
Post by: Special T on December 02, 2010, 02:53:41 PM: I've noticed that a few of the original bell ringers that were worried about the affect of wolves have become Silent... And several members that were calling people alarmistsand conspiracy nuts are now singing a differnet tune... How many of you are honest with yourself that you have changed your mind? Just kind of curious...
Title: Re: Wolves
Post by: GoldTip on December 02, 2010, 02:58:41 PM: Nope I haven't changed my opinion one bit. They are here now (Montana and Idaho) and should stay now that they have been re-introduced. They are spreading their range into Washington and that is fine too. Only, and this is a big only, if they will be managed with sound goals for other wildlife, hunters and livestock in mind. I have always said that I would be the last hunter to kill the last wolf in the lower 48. That being said, I also wanted to be the one who killed the first wolf when there was a hunting season. They MUST be managed correctly.
Title: Re: Wolves
Post by: boneaddict on December 02, 2010, 03:00:52 PM: I haven't changed my mind a bit. I think we are in deep *censored*. I would like to hear how all the Alta muzzel permit guys did this fall. I wonder how many of them glassed over DOZENS of trophy class deer. I wonder how many shot two points cause thats all that were left.
Title: Re: Wolves
Post by: Lowedog on December 02, 2010, 03:04:40 PM: Still feel the same. Until I see evidence to prove otherwise I don't believe wolves have come to WA any way but on their own. I concur with everything GoldTip said in his post.
Title: Re: Wolves
Post by: teanawayslayer on December 02, 2010, 03:06:30 PM: I glassed lots of good trophy class deer. They were there and are still there. Yeah sucks came home with a 2 point. I gave it my best shot. I waited until the last to harvest that 2 point.
Title: Re: Wolves
Post by: jackelope on December 02, 2010, 03:07:41 PM: I am still on the same page as I have always been, fully agreeing with Lowedog and GoldTip.
:dunno:
Title: Re: Wolves
Post by: 6x6in6 on December 02, 2010, 03:13:20 PM: Not changed.
Agree with the GoldTip and Lowedog.
Title: Re: Wolves
Post by: wildmanoutdoors on December 02, 2010, 03:16:50 PM: I for one have never voiced my opinion. I have took in allot from reading here though. My consensus was with the KILL em all mindset. The other night I watched a documentary on a certain Wolf in Yellowstone and the packs in its vicinity. I was amazed by the social aspects of the Wolf and its packs, how they operated, how the females knew not to let there brother or Dad breed with them. Really is amazing.
But in this 1 hour show they also showed countless hunts bringing down Elk after Elk. By what I saw if wolves make a serious comeback we as hunters wont stand a chance. When wolves were around back in the day Elk were everywhere. And so were Wolves, We killed Elk off almost to extinction like Buffalo and took out the Wolves completely in the lower 48.

Wolf populations will rebound FAST and Elk populations decline and or stay the same now. If we don't manage the Wolf heavily the Elk will be decimated whether we hunt them or not.

As a hunter I say kill em all. Its weird being a human and getting to decide who stays and who goes. Almost not right....if ya think about it.
Title: Re: Wolves
Post by: denali on December 02, 2010, 03:17:56 PM: Yes, I've changed my mind over time, our family vacationed in jellystone in 96 thought having wolves in YNP and wilderness areas was not a bad idea?

well many years and many lawsuits has opened my eyes >:( I have family and friends though out eastern Washington that farm and ranch. I/WE will protect our livestock and way of life >:( flame on, call me a poacher, I don't give a fig.

Wyoming has the best plan - if they leave NP or wilderness ares = fair game , shoot and let them lay.
Title: Re: Wolves
Post by: JackOfAllTrades on December 02, 2010, 03:27:01 PM: Quote
Wolf populations will rebound FAST and Elk populations decline and or stay the same now. If we don't manage the Wolf heavily the Elk will be decimated whether we hunt them or not.

As a hunter I say kill em all. Its weird being a human and getting to decide who stays and who goes. Almost not right....if ya think about it.

I have not changed my mind. I still don't want them here. But I am more acceptable to the thought of them coming back on their own. Not so accepting of our WDFW reintroducing them to prime hunting grounds. 'Man' has replaced the predator called the Wolf. There's not enough game for both of us. The wolf has got to go.

I agree with danali.. Protect your livestock and way of life. Farming and ranching is tough enough without competition from ruthless killers that do kill to train their young and for fun.

But, I do respect the Wolf. The family and natural rules within a pack. The dominance heirarchy.. Mating for life.. All that stuff.

-Steve
Title: Re: Wolves
Post by: 7mag. on December 02, 2010, 03:29:54 PM: There is a good reason that wolves were hunted to near extinction in the lower 48. They are too dangerous for our futile game dept. to handle. If not put in check soon, we will have a major problem in this state and others like, Montana, Idaho, etc.
Title: Re: Wolves
Post by: carpsniperg2 on December 02, 2010, 03:40:06 PM: Quote from: 7mag. on December 02, 2010, 03:29:54 PM
There is a good reason that wolves were hunted to near extinction in the lower 48. They are too dangerous for our futile game dept. to handle. If not put in check soon, we will have a major problem in this state and others like, Montana, Idaho, etc.

That is my thought as well. Add livestock problems with that and you have my answer.
Title: Re: Wolves
Post by: boneaddict on December 02, 2010, 07:07:19 PM: Quote
I glassed lots of good trophy class deer. They were there and are still there. Yeah sucks came home with a 2 point. I gave it my best shot. I waited until the last to harvest that 2 point.

Thats good to hear. I was under the impression listening to everyone that this was a tough year. I sure didn't see what I normally do there
Title: Re: Wolves
Post by: JackOfAllTrades on December 02, 2010, 10:24:47 PM: I wasn't hunting in a predator infested area... I did not see as many local deer as I have in some years. But there have been other seasons that appeared the same. I really made some poor choices though. I did not hunt the animals I had scouted pre-season. That's my fault for hunting migratory routes with my boys.

Some thing has changed in that neck of the woods though. I can't quite put my finger on it.

I talked to a friend that went to his normal Idaho spot this year. He's been going there for 40 years. He did not see Wolves. He did see tracks. What he's noticed in the last few years... The Muledeer and Elk are staying more secluded, like Blacktail. Six guys in the group that stuck it out through some nasty weather after other camps had headed home. They brought back one decent buck.

-Steve
Title: Re: Wolves
Post by: high country on December 03, 2010, 05:16:08 PM: ya know, we trust our forefathers judgment on the constituition.......why on earth would I second guess their inteligence on the reduction of wolves.
Title: Re: Wolves
Post by: seth30 on December 03, 2010, 05:31:49 PM: Quote from: high country on December 03, 2010, 05:16:08 PM
ya know, we trust our forefathers judgment on the constituition.......why on earth would I second guess their inteligence on the reduction of wolves.
:bow: :bow: :bow: :bow: :yeah:
Title: Re: Wolves
Post by: Special T on December 03, 2010, 10:36:09 PM: I commend those of you who have changed your mind... It show you are intellectually honest, and more importantly not a psychopath lying to yourself! :o
Title: Re: Wolves
Post by: Lowedog on December 04, 2010, 09:19:56 AM: Quote from: Special T on December 03, 2010, 10:36:09 PM
I commend those of you who have changed your mind... It show you are intellectually honest, and more importantly not a psychopath lying to yourself! :o

:dunno:
Title: Re: Wolves
Post by: jackelope on December 04, 2010, 11:07:06 AM: Quote from: Special T on December 03, 2010, 10:36:09 PM
I commend those of you who have changed your mind... It show you are intellectually honest, and more importantly not a psychopath lying to yourself! :o

And those whose minds have not changed are psychopathic *censored* liars?
:dunno:
Title: Re: Wolves
Post by: halflife65 on December 04, 2010, 11:13:20 AM: Yes. All of you.

Maybe he was referring to people that might have originally been "pro" wolves but changed their minds after reading/learning more about it? I'm actually not totally sure how to interpret that, either.
Title: Re: Wolves
Post by: Special T on December 04, 2010, 10:30:51 PM: I didn't state that very well did I? :bash: I think half-life got the idea tho...
Title: Re: Wolves
Post by: haus on December 04, 2010, 11:08:46 PM: Quote from: Special T on December 02, 2010, 02:53:41 PM
I've noticed that a few of the original bell ringers that were worried about the affect of wolves have become Silent...

hunting season started ;)
Title: Re: Wolves
Post by: 7mag. on December 05, 2010, 07:47:50 AM: Quote from: Special T on December 04, 2010, 10:30:51 PM
I didn't state that very well did I? :bash: I think half-life got the idea tho...

Glad you cleared that up, I didn't want to be a psychopath. :)
Title: Re: Wolves
Post by: jordano on December 05, 2010, 09:59:01 PM: I still think that wolves should be where they naturally migrate to on their own. I definitely do not think they should be introduced ANYWHERE! but.. if wolves start showing up they need to be managed! these ecosystems have not seen wolves in them for a long time.. they are now coming in as a new top predator and need to be managed by wdfw and the federal government to control the wolf populations so they do not deplete all of the game animals' populations..
Title: Re: Wolves
Post by: boneaddict on December 06, 2010, 02:29:52 PM: They should be managed like coyotes. Year around season
Title: Re: Wolves
Post by: ser300wsm on December 06, 2010, 02:49:53 PM: Quote from: boneaddict on December 06, 2010, 02:29:52 PM
They should be managed like coyotes. Year around season
:mgun: :yeah:
Title: Re: Wolves
Post by: grundy53 on December 06, 2010, 03:32:02 PM: Quote from: boneaddict on December 06, 2010, 02:29:52 PM
They should be managed like coyotes. Year around season

couldn't agree more!

and no i haven't changed my mind. if anything i hate wolves even more after another season of hunting in idaho....
Title: Re: Wolves
Post by: NWwildman on December 28, 2010, 09:54:13 PM: I have seen them in Washington can't wait for some kind of season to open. We saw and heard then in central Washington this year during bear hunting.
Title: Re: Wolves
Post by: elkslayer069 on December 28, 2010, 11:13:34 PM: First of all how the hell is WDFW going to manage wolves when they cant manage to wipe their own @%^ ? Hmm answer that.
Title: Re: Wolves
Post by: Kain on December 30, 2010, 07:00:01 PM: I have changed my attitude more than my mind. I always thought that some wolves in WA wasnt a bad thing as long as they were managed responsibly. I thought the guys calling for SSS were not doing us hunters any good. I have since lost faith that they will ever be managed and that that was by design. They will be used by the anti's as a tool to reduces prey levels so low that huntng will no longer be allowed. Or not allowed at anywhere near what it is now. So now I would rather have none than let them get a foot hold and those SSS guys well...what I dont know wont hurt my feelings any.
Title: Re: Wolves
Post by: Elkaholic daWg on December 30, 2010, 07:11:29 PM: Quote from: high country on December 03, 2010, 05:16:08 PM
ya know, we trust our forefathers judgment on the constituition.......why on earth would I second guess their inteligence on the reduction of wolves.

NO CHANGE! let our native wolves be and Keep the transplants OUT! They will make the natives extinct. Mackenzie subspecies......SSS
Title: Re: Wolves
Post by: BeeMan on December 30, 2010, 07:36:24 PM: >:( A lady in N/E Washington released 18 hybrids about a year ago that were supposedly 95% wolf, 5% Dog. :bdid: I know alot of people that have seen "Wolves" lately, (local farmers). Nothin illegal about shooting dogs that are harrasing wildlife!! :mgun2:
Title: Re: Wolves
Post by: elkboy on December 30, 2010, 08:10:45 PM: The issue is a bit of a moot point, since the wolves are dispersing on their own into Washington. A regional approach is really what is needed, such as we have with elk (e.g., "Any elk" units in agricultural areas). Core wolf populations could be left in some wilderness areas (and would legally already be so managed in National Parks), with progressively greater wolf harvest pressure away from these areas to meet objectives for huntable game populations and sustainable livestock operations. I suppose I would encourage everyone to ponder the incredible flexibility of the North American Wildlife Management Model: it is flexible enough to allow us MANAGED wolf populations amidst the incredible diversity of other Washington wildlife. I too would be happy to bag a wolf in a legal manner, but only in a way that contributed to sustaining all other large mammals in our state... and reasonable populations of the wolf itself. (And I do feel that the "Shoot, Shovel, Shut Up" mentality does our community a disservice). My two copper cents... Happy New Year all!
Title: Re: Wolves
Post by: NWwildman on December 30, 2010, 08:16:39 PM: I know lot of people who have the "shoot, shovel, shut up" idea about wolves.
Title: Re: Wolves
Post by: Skyvalhunter on December 30, 2010, 08:28:33 PM: Alot or the majority?
Title: Re: Wolves
Post by: granola/hippyslayer on January 01, 2011, 06:21:46 PM: what wolves ? lol