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Equipment & Gear => Guns and Ammo => Topic started by: Bofire on December 04, 2010, 10:22:48 AM

Title: AR 15 guys
Post by: Bofire on December 04, 2010, 10:22:48 AM: I saw a new Sig AR and the new Ruger AR, both say they use a piston system that is more reliable than the standard AR gas tube deal. Does it just move the dirt to a diferent spot?
What say you?
Carl
Title: Re: AR 15 guys
Post by: chrisb on December 04, 2010, 10:58:43 AM: in theory its suppopsed to keep the gun cleaner and run cooler. IMO it's the flashy new hottness and will not replace the gas system any time soon, it's just one of system of moving parts to go wrong. At the cost of a piston driven AR you could build 2 comparable gas AR's or buy one and have $ left over to tacticool toys, ammo, or range time.
Title: Re: AR 15 guys
Post by: carpsniperg2 on December 04, 2010, 11:19:31 AM: Like chrisb said its a system they created to run the AR-15 cleaner. Most piston ar's from my understanding, have a adjustment on them to control the gases, from diffrent loads and cycle the gun. I am with chrisb as well i look at it as, more moving parts. The less the better for me. I have never had any problems with keeping them clean and running smooth. Would they, work heck yeah they work great. But i could not spend the money they are asking for them. When i can get a direct gas for 1/2 the money.
Title: Re: AR 15 guys
Post by: agchawk on December 04, 2010, 11:41:03 AM: Quote from: chrisb on December 04, 2010, 10:58:43 AM
in theory its suppopsed to keep the gun cleaner and run cooler. IMO it's the flashy new hottness and will not replace the gas system any time soon, it's just one of system of moving parts to go wrong. At the cost of a piston driven AR you could build 2 comparable gas AR's or buy one and have $ left over to tacticool toys, ammo, or range time.

I agree 100% Chris. I was just lookin' at these the other day and thought the same thing. My AR, and just about any AR with the gas system, work just fine when they are well taken care of, cleaned, field stripped, etc on a regular basis. (This of course depends on the model too. Some are more reliable than others)
Title: Re: AR 15 guys
Post by: Hazmat870 on December 04, 2010, 03:33:15 PM: I looked at them before I bought mine. I kept coming back to the thought that there are thousands of rifles with gas tubes in Iraq and Afghanistan. They don’t seem like they are having any problems with theirs so I should be OK with mine.
Title: Re: AR 15 guys
Post by: FC on December 04, 2010, 03:37:09 PM: Huge waste of $$$, the direct impingement design is well proven and it really doesn't even need to be all that clean as long as the rifle is lubed. People who complain of failures in an AR either have a screwed up rifle or they aren't lubing it properly, they tend to like to run on the wet side.
Title: Re: AR 15 guys
Post by: demontang on December 04, 2010, 04:16:24 PM: Waste of money. The complants you'll see are do to a bad rifle or improper lube like has been said. I've seen very few problems with ar's period. It's a great gun and well serv well for a hunter or high volume shooter.
Title: Re: AR 15 guys
Post by: Bofire on December 04, 2010, 04:37:43 PM: :)Thanks guys!!
Carl
Title: Re: AR 15 guys
Post by: WonkyWapiti on December 04, 2010, 10:14:10 PM: Quote from: FC on December 04, 2010, 03:37:09 PM
Huge waste of $$$, the direct impingement design is well proven and it really doesn't even need to be all that clean as long as the rifle is lubed. People who complain of failures in an AR either have a screwed up rifle or they aren't lubing it properly, they tend to like to run on the wet side.

Very well said. AR's are thirsty little beasts and need to be lubed well, don't be selfish with it. The two main problems I see during our range days are guys that aren't lubing thier BCG's well enough and magazine troubles.
Title: Re: AR 15 guys
Post by: CastleRocker on December 05, 2010, 01:17:02 AM: Yep, as has been stated above...it's just the newest, latest thing. I due believe it is a cleaner running systom, but if you consider how many rounds that have been fired in the "old fashioned" direct impingment AR on full auto/3 round burst in combat situations vs. civilian plinking with the new gas piston...well I think you get the picture. Keep them lubed and shoot them a lot. AR's like lube; keep them wet and get them hot!
Title: Re: AR 15 guys
Post by: addicted on December 05, 2010, 12:16:23 PM: an dont forget teh heckler and koch. handled one the other day. it was beyond sweet.
Title: Re: AR 15 guys
Post by: BlackRidge on December 05, 2010, 12:43:48 PM: Its the new 'toy' of the moment

:beatdeadhorse:

Thats $200+ you could be putting towards optics/accessories/ammo