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Big Game Hunting => Deer Hunting => Topic started by: Steve Jo on December 06, 2010, 09:13:16 PM
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So, I got to deer camp, got set up and started cutting some fire wood.
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In the middle of cuttin, I had a log shift, bump the saw and the saw, though not running hard at that moment 'touched' my non chainsaw proof REI pants.
I stopped the saw and had one of those, "Did that just <insert expletive here> happen?!" moments. I had felt the saw 'hit' my knee cap in the area of my pants that now held a sizeable rip, however I did not feel the Texas Chainsaw Masacre type rending of flesh from bone that I would normally expect from a chainsaw contacting flesh type incident.
This was not going to be a good start to a hunting season that started last year and never really ended after over 120 hours in the stand without filling a tag. I had spent the entire year refining strategy, shooting ability, honing my gear and technique to be able to come into THIS season 100% prepared. And now I had a rip in my pants and an unknown amount of 'other damage'
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is there more to this?
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I knelt down and peered into the gaping hole torn through the knee in my pants. Hmmm... clean skin! I GOT LUC... wait, that's not where i felt the saw 'hit' my knee.
I stuck my finger in the hole in my pants and pulled the hole over to where I had felt the saw 'touch' my knee. My heart sank... There in my knee cap was a gash that pretty much matched the one in my pants. This was bad
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My wife grabbed the first aid kit and we sorted through it checking off all the items that would not allow us to keep hunting and avoid a hospital trip. I thought briefly of a super glue / butterfly bandage thing and it might have worked if the hole in my knee was
a. somewhere else on my body other than the most bendy spot
b. approximately 85% smaller in gash size...
There was no avoiding a lengthy drive to the hospital and the very real possibility that I might be done hunting for several weeks.
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You are very lucky.
I lost a buddy in high school to a chainsaw accident similar to yours.
I cut a lot of wood and I can see wearing the extra gear is well worth the trouble. Thanks for sharing
Hope you heal.
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oh man that really sucks. thank god it wasnt any worse. you might have lost a season but could have lost so much more. heal quick.
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OF COURSE THERE'S MORE! now be patient :)
We got to the hospital where everyone was at first very excited to have their november dulldrums broken by the opportunity to work on a REAL CHAINSAW WOUND which Im sure most of them had studied on when they were in med school down in mexico (IM KIDDING! They were top notch docs and nurses) but they really seemed dissapointed at the complete lack of exposed bone that my chainsaw wound had and most of them filtered out of the ER after seeing that I was just some dumb schmuck who was probably luckier than he had any right to be.
My doc put in 8 of the most humongous stitches I've ever seen and told me to stay off of it for at least two weeks!
I laughed appropriately, and told him that opening day was a day and a half away.
"Listen, you are gonna rip these stitches out if you dont STAY OFF the leg!" and he looked to my wife and my hunting partner as if to get some kind of team support form them. They both shrugged their shoulders.
I was doing my best John Wayne impression, but I was really worried that I would simply not be able to get safely into or out of my treestand. This season was not looking too good.
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Ribka, Im sorry about your friend. I got VERY LUCKY
gaddy, we obviously have not met ;)
Now everyone be patient, this story aint done!
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Oh, I can tell this is going to be good. :tup:
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The next morning I got up and was pretty dang anxious about what kind of motion I could expect to get out of the knee. The stitches were right across the knee cap and my concern was that I wouldnt be able to get my knee up high enough to be able to climb into my stand the following day.
To my surprise, despite some local swelling the knee still worked. It hurt, but not in a 'deal killer' hurt kinda way.
I had been given pain meds at the hospital, but took ibuprophen instead as there is no way I would allow myself into a treestand on medication. I mean, Im dumb enough to hit my leg with a running chainsaw, but Im not THAT dumb!
My first order of business in the morning was to finish cutting the wood with the saw that had attacked me the night before. My friend was incredulous, but I told him that there is no way that the last time I ran a saw will be when I cut my leg. In 15 minutes the rest of the wood was cut.
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It's not even over and I'm starting to think this is the most intriguing story of the year.
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The rest of the day was filled with chores. We had a 14x22 wall tent set up with a kitchen. After brining in wood we needed to get a stand hung and a couple other items. Darkness comes quickly in november and before I knew it we were in the tent, getting ready for bed and it dawned on me that TOMORROW WAS OPENING DAY!
A wave of mild panic went over me at the thought of committing to getting into my stand, 20 feet up with a bum knee. I had worked all day but had REALLY taken it easy on the knee. it felt 'tight' even with modest movement. I went over in my head how I might get safely into my stand in the dark the next morning.
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and here i was trying to show some compassion & sympathy.
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Thanks Fair Chase! it gets better :)
The next morning came and because of where I was hunting it required a mile and a half walk down an abandoned logging road to my tree stand which was located on the far side of an old clear cut.
I hit the trail with a margin of time that allowed me to saunter instead of hoof it and the easy pace loosened me up both mentally and physically. It was cold, just below freezing but the snows hadnt started yet. About 300 yards from the stand I changed into my hunting gear. The freshly bandaged knee had some fresh blood showing through from the hike in.
"Dont push past it and screw this up, there's more than one day to hunt" I said to myself as my hand touched the first of 14 screw in steps snaking their way up the tree that held my stand.
I took my time, I had to really stretch to get my foot onto a couple of the steps and I thought for sure at one point I would have to at least rescrew one in to get a spacing that would work, but after a few minutes I found myself perched above the ground and fastening my safety harness.
"Alright, the tough parts over, now you just have to sit and wait"
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Gaddy, compassion and sympathy accepted! :)
as for my smug feeling of having the worst behind me... not so much.
I wont bore you with the details, just suffice it to say that sitting in a treestand with you chainsaw'd knee bent is significantly worse than walking into your treestand on that same chainsaw'd knee.
It wasnt agony, it was just really really really uncomfortable. which makes time pass really really really slow! After about 4 hours in the stand I looked at my watch and was sure it had broken as it indicated that only 45 minutes had passed!
I'm an all day sitter... it had been light for 45 minutes and I was ready to get down.
This was going to be a long day!
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man, this story does keep going. I should have waited to post.
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now maybe well hear about some pain & torment
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Still not done with the story :)
So there I was! sitting, minutes passing like hours, the thought of last year's 120+ hours spent not shooting at large deer forefront in my mind. Would I need to run a marathon like that this year? Lost in the thought of how I would actually be able to accomplish something like that, I caught the movement of a buck coming in.
"sonof a..." To my dismay a pretty nice buck came in from behind me and offered a perfect quartering away shot. Now I say 'dismay' because last year on opening day I had a pretty nice buck do the same thing and I passed on him and then spent the rest of the year wondering if I was being stupid for passing on a decent animal. Im no trophy hunter, but that's only because I havent SHOT a book animal. It doesnt mean I dont want to shoot a one. And so here I am, opening day, chainsaw'd leg making me feel like I'd rather be anywhere else than in this treestand and my meal ticket walks up... and I left the bow on the hook.
I was seriously beginning to doubt if I'd be able to do this again tomorrow, but I was in here today and simply wasnt gonna end my season on a buck smaller than what I wanted.
The buck walked off, grunting.
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Just to make doubly sure I didnt want to shoot him he waited a full hour before coming back through and offering me ANOTHER SHOT! It was noon now and passing him a second time was monumentally difficult. The bow never came off the hook, if it had, I would have punched my tag and this story would have a different ending.
Instead he left and I spent the next 4 hours not seeing a deer.
sunset was at 4:02pm that evening and at about that time I saw 3 does working their way down the hill. They came in, acting nervous. Then I could hear the sound of grunts from below them.
Then a BIG bodied deer moving through the darkening timber... RACK! he's a shooter!
Bow was off the hook, release clipped in. He was moving fast toward the does, the does scattered and I came to full draw as he stepped into view at 35 yards and...
STOPPED! Right behind a freakin tree!!
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Oh come on!!! You cannot end a post like that, and to think I was on your side.
J/K keep it going. Great story.
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does the knee hurt yet??
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"RELAX" i told myself as the seconds ticked by. He stood there, in the dimming light, 35 yards by range finder with his killzone in exactly the ONLY spot I couldnt deliver a clean shot...
"Oh man... this sucks" I thought as I fought to keep the bow at full draw without blowing all my energy and losing control of the shot when the shot developed. And I KNEW it was going to develop, he was standing there in that way that only a rut crazed buck can stand there, staring at one doe, then another. The does staring back, twitch a tail, flick an ear. he drops his head a bit, he's gonna step forward! then raises his head again and stares at the doe.
Well past a minute and a half, maybe 2 minutes, I have no idea I only know I cant keep this bow at full draw any longer and make the shot I will need to make at 35 yards. I have to let down.
start coming off the wall easy and then the bow jerks a bit to the right as it lets down completely. The buck's head whips around and he locks onto my position in the tree. I freeze.
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Gaddy, by this time, there is no knee ... ;)
BUSTED! You have got to be kidding me! He is staring me down and I dare not move.
I dont get buck fever, but after a shot I usually get a decent flood of adrenalin. My brain, never known much for it's discerment, mistook my letting down as me shooting and filled my body with a great big dose of adrenalin which manifested itself entirely in freight train like heavy nose breathing as I fought to keep control of myself and the situation.
The buck wasnt blowing out and the does had apparently missed me letting down. the staredown ensued and I watched the buck's body language intently. I got the sense he wasnt looking AT me, rather off to my right just a bit. but several minutes passed and he didnt move a muscle. Then I saw his ears... lightly swiveling... listening... TO ME BREATHING! Holy crap he can hear me breathing hard through my nose!!
I took a deep breath through my mouth and closed my eyes forcing myself to relax. I had been so intent on the buck that I had not noticed my breathing continuing along at a freight train pace and he could HEAR IT!
I waited about 30 seconds and opened my eyes, just as he relaxed his posture, lowered his head and took first one step, then another. My bow came to full draw
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his head snapped around, as my 30 yard pin settled high on the shoulder, just a moment's hesitation to level the bubble, and the release went off. The shuttle t tipped axis dissappeared right where I wanted it and the buck tore out of there with the 4 does.
The woods quickly quieted, but not before I heard the tale tell signs of a crash in the distance.
I carefully climbed down and made my way to my arrow. Good blood on the arrow, not so much on the ground. I decided to play it safe and hike out to the top to grab my wife and friend to assist with the recovery.
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A mile and a half later I found my wife at the jeep just as my friend rolled up and back down we went with the game cart.
We started off by lining out the blood trail which was dismally sparse. These fat deer can be a bear to bleed externally. I left them at last blood about 10 minutes into the trail and hiked a good 200 yards uphill from my stand in the direction of where I had heard the crash.
Now completely dark I cut right for about 40 yards and then started working my way back down the hill toward where my wife and friend were stuck about 10 yards into the blood trail.
I'd only gone a short distance when the beam of my headlamp settled on my buck.
He'd gone about 150 yards on a double lung hit that clipped the back of the heart.
I called inot the dark that I'd found him and my wife and friend made there way to my postition
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this is getting good!!!
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He wont make book, but he's my biggest buck to date.
Absolutely HUGE body. no idea on his weight, but Im 6'1" and 200 pounds...
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i was just going to say that there had better be picts after that tease, nice deer
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A truly memorable hunt for me.
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In all seriousness, I got extremely lucky with the knee. the follwing days saw rapid healing and I spent 2 weeks in camp hanging treestands, cutting wood and being all around camp "you know what" trying to get my freinds and my wife on animals. not to be.
Now, just shy of a month later, there is only a faint line that wont even be a gnarly scar to remind me of how close I came to really screwing up my leg. I dont know of many places on your body you can touch yourself with a running chainsaw and not end up needing surgery and physical therapy.
I'll take luck.
Thanks for reading :)
-Joe
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Great story and great deer. Thanks for sharing.
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Great story and buck ! Thanks for sharing it.
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Congratulations on a great and well deserved buck. That is a well written story. You can't say you didn't work for it!
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Great story and nice buck.
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you write one hell of a suspence novel their steve joe
CONGRATS
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Good buck, nice to hear the knee is doing good too. :)
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Thanks for the compliments! Glad you enjoyed it :)
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Very entertaining thread. That was a well told story and a great buck to cap everything off. Well done sir. :brew:
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WOW! Great story and even greater read!! LOVE IT!
CONGRATS on a fine whitetail.
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great story! congrats on the buck and the healed up knee.
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awesome story and hunt pics. i like that last one!
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great story maybe you have a back up plan if the currant job goes away?
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great story maybe you have a back up plan if the currant job goes away?
It aint cuttin wood that's for sure!
:)
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Nice looking buck! Glad you put it together even with your gashed knee!
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Steve,
Thanks for a very entertaining read and great pics to go with it!! Hey, did you elk hunt ID this year? I sure enjoyed your hunt last year on bowsite... did you end up wearing those funky "glove" shoes this year?
Congrats!
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dude you need to put that story in the outdoorlife or one of them mags thats a good ass story, great pics, way to nut up and carry on
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Great story! Congratulations on not cutting off your knee cap and getting a really nice buck.
As an aside, my dad's been a logger/road builder his entire life and was out cutting some boards with a chainsaw in his front yard a couple of years ago. There were a bunch of kids and a couple of dogs running around and he was paying attention to what they were doing rather than what he was doing. The saw kicked and hit him right across the forehead (this is a guy that's used a saw off and on at work for over 30 years). He had a cut similar to what was across your knee across his forehead. Knocked him right to the ground. As it was healing he kept telling everyone that he cut himself shaving.
Back in college, I spent some time on a landing limbing and bucking. I knicked my boot without touching my foot and sawed into a pair of chaps. Both times I got lucky and wasn't hurt, although I screwed up a pair of boots.
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Hornseeker - I was in idaho for 2 wekkes this year. didnt hunt due to funds, but I bird dogged for some friends. No one got any elk though. Yeah, Im still wearing those shoes. first time I have ever sustained an injury in hundreds of trail miles.
'Bayonet Dislocation' is what the doctor called it. I'll tell you what, your little pinky toe can hurt completely out of proportion to its usefulness.
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nice buck! Thanks for showing it off. Hope you get better :hello:
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Interesting story for sure. Congrats on the buck
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So...you like the shoes even though you sustained that injury from them?? Or was it due to wearing them?
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Great story, and you are definitely a contender for the fugliest feet award. :yike:
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Awesome story!! I dont usually read through all the storys but I had to on yours. Congrats on the buck !! Glad the wound wasnt worse!
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So, I got to deer camp, got set up and started cutting some fire wood.
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In the middle of cuttin, I had a log shift, bump the saw and the saw, though not running hard at that moment 'touched' my non chainsaw proof REI pants.
I stopped the saw and had one of those, "Did that just <insert expletive here> happen?!" moments. I had felt the saw 'hit' my knee cap in the area of my pants that now held a sizeable rip, however I did not feel the Texas Chainsaw Masacre type rending of flesh from bone that I would normally expect from a chainsaw contacting flesh type incident.
This was not going to be a good start to a hunting season that started last year and never really ended after over 120 hours in the stand without filling a tag. I had spent the entire year refining strategy, shooting ability, honing my gear and technique to be able to come into THIS season 100% prepared. And now I had a rip in my pants and an unknown amount of 'other damage'
Well I am very sorry this happened. I don't wish pain on anybody......but.......Looking at the picture. It is not a very safe way that you are cutting those logs. You have the log on the ground and you are cutting with the tip of the blade. That in it's self could cause the saw to jump or bind. Unless you are carving a teddy bear, you should never cut with the tip of a chainsaw. Get the logs up off the ground by putting another log under it and you will reduce the chance of the saw blade getting into the dirt. Cut smart and you will not get hurt........ :dunno:
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I knew I was gonna catch some grief on that photo, but you're absolutely correct and I appreciate the advice.
It's not my first time running a saw, but it IS my last time running one without kevlar chaps, REAL boots and eye protection.
It's when we are complacent that most accidents happen.
Counting my blessing that things turned out as fortunate as they did!
Thanks again
-Joe
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It's when we are complacent that most accidents happen.
So true. Just like an AD. I don't care how long you have been around guns. Even if you use one everyday for your job. It is not a matter of if but rather a matter of when you will have that accidental discharge. Like racing motorcycles, sooner or later you will go down.
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I knew I was gonna catch some grief on that photo, but you're absolutely correct and I appreciate the advice.
It's not my first time running a saw, but it IS my last time running one without kevlar chaps, REAL boots and eye protection.
It's when we are complacent that most accidents happen.
Counting my blessing that things turned out as fortunate as they did!
Thanks again
-Joe
Complacent and/or tired. Glad you didn't get hurt too bad.
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Injuries suck, glad you are OK. Great story and beautiful buck. There is a lesson here and I appreciate you posting it. Last year there were a few of these stories and I think a few members actually benefited from them. This year there is a different attitude on this board so I expected most of the grief you got. We all do things out of haste or complacency and a reminder can go a long way to helping someone else avoid that pain.
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Great story and great buck!
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That was as entertaining as a story can get! Thanks for sharing it and congrats on a well deserved buck. Way to accomplish your mission under less than ideal conditions.
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Welcome to the site that was a great story, congrats on the buck and i'm sorry that your feet are even uglier than mine!!! :chuckle: :chuckle:
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Now wait just a minute...
My feet are NOT ugly! that pinky toe is dislocated. It's normally quite a bit further forward than what is pictured. Once cleaned up... with socks on and a fairly heavy boot my feet look quite normal and attractive!
:)
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So...you like the shoes even though you sustained that injury from them?? Or was it due to wearing them?
Your mileage will vary with the shoes. I would say that if you give your feet a couple months to adjust, you'll have significantly fewer injuries than what you would have with even the best conventional footwear.
It sounds counter intuitive, but your feet are just WAY stronger are at the same time, MUCH more senstive and 'aware' of their environment. You would simply never roll your ankle in 5 fingers as an example. Rolled ankles are a function of convention shoes and boots on uneven terrain.
Now I DID dislocate my tow, but that was from trail running at dusk on a pretty rutted trail. My toe caught a root at full stride. I didnt fall or anything, but it hurt. I walked it off for a bit, then started again and went less than 50 yards and did it again dislocating the toe. I walked from there.
I cavered well over a hundred miles in 10 days and in some of the most rugged country you could find and aside from being dumb and running on a poorly lit trail the footwear performed flawlessly.
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Injuries suck, glad you are OK. Great story and beautiful buck. There is a lesson here and I appreciate you posting it. Last year there were a few of these stories and I think a few members actually benefited from them. This year there is a different attitude on this board so I expected most of the grief you got. We all do things out of haste or complacency and a reminder can go a long way to helping someone else avoid that pain.
accidents can happen at any time, in any activity. In hind sight, they are always preventable.
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:tup: I bet you wont forget that season any time soon! Congrats on a fine buck and sticking it out...
Also, even a bigger congrats on not screwing up that knee in a real bad way. Its a FINE BUCk.
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Wow! I had a saw jump on my last year while cutting a log, ripped through my jeans, and shaved hair off my leg. I was very lucky. Awesome story!
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Way to share a great story and lesson. I have a set of parallel 3/4" white scars on my right inner thigh, right over my femoral artery, from being young and dumb. Up a tree, with a chainsaw, blue jeans and tennis shoes.
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Great story and buck....
I worked on a thinning crew when I was just out of high school, one of the kids on our crew had his saw kick back and he cut the entire zipper off his pants but didn't touch the goods... :o
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I really like the last pic in the mist. Like you are paying homage to a great life and buck. Kinda the way it should end. Nice story.
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I really like the last pic in the mist. Like you are paying homage to a great life and buck. Kinda the way it should end. Nice story.
My wife set up that shot and took the picture. It's my favorite too. We accidentally deleted the recovery shots. I didnt know at the time if I would be able to 'undelete' them. So we took another set with the buck hanging in camp. Just turned out really well.
thanks for the compliments!
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IN high school during my forestry class a kid cut one of his balls real bad and they had to take it off i guess he flies solo now.Oh that was with a chainsaw to ouch ouch and ouch again
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I enjoyed reading this story. Nice buck. Congrats
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Did anyone else notice the small deer in the second pic peeing on the tree?
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Seriously though it is a great story and a great animal. Glad it worked out for you.
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Did anyone else notice the small deer in the second pic peeing on the tree?
that's a 3d target ;)
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Well, I hope you stick around here Steve and share some more of your wilderness adventures. Always a good read. You should cut and paste last years ID elk story over here in the elk forum...
On footwear... do you feel the same when you have a heavy pack on? Lightweight or these glove shoes for packing out an 85# load of meat and horns? The last two years I've hunted with lightweight tenny shoes on, but have my heavy duty, Lowa Tibet GTX's for when i'm packing a load...
one reason I see to where boots is to avoid ankle, upper foot "abrasions" when going through dead fall or rocky chit...
Tell me more...
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Hey Hornseeker, I'll have to dig that up.
The 5 fingers are 'suitable' for packing heavy loads. The only issues I noticesd was when I got back on a trail system, the little rocks you step on hurt worse with the added weight. I carry trail runners for packing meat.
I got this bear in August wearing my 5 fingers. shot him at 4 feet!
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All I had on to get back to camp was my 5 fingers. I was 2000 feet below camp and about 3 miles out. The trail was an old horse / mule trail and was full of little golf ball sized stones. it was 'unfun' but I've yet to have a blast carrying 80+ pound loads :)
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With trail runners on, the 11 miles back to the truck with 105 pounds of camp and bear was not an issue... at least for my feet :)
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The 5 fingers are the real deal. they take awhile to get used to, once you commit to them you'll wonder why you messed around with boots.
as for abrasions, wet, cold, etc. you get used to it.
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Loved the story and the pics. Very well written. Thanks for sharing, and glad to hear that you didn't wind up with a more permanent injury.
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Great story! Love the last picture of you kneeling by the buck.
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no socks with them??
105# sucks... been there done that...and yeah, my feet were the least of my probs! :chuckle:
For those that haven't seen them.... and if you haven't followed Steves posts on other forums... he is wearing these a LOT in many weather conditions... with packs and such... fairly revolutional if you ask me...
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WOW! great story, glad that knee didn't turn out worse.
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Great Story, glad you get to keep your leg :chuckle:
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Wow - guess I am getting old ! :chuckle: :chuckle:
The "New" Vibram Lug footwear:
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best elk huntin footwear ever made!
:)
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You wear those around in the woods and you'll have the Bigfoot Research Organization chasing you from honey-hole to honey-hole... :chuckle:
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Way to go on a well earned buck. Sweet looking packboard.
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WEll, Nice deer and I'm glad that the knee was no worse. You are one LUCKY guy.
Wear chaps now?
I've had an adventure with the saw as well...fortunately NOT in deer season...I was limbing out a cedar that i had dropped when several bad things happened at once, tree shifted, feet got tangled breaking branch knocked me over onto my back...the saw just "touched" my leg...
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A few weeks later it looked like this...the highest line of stitches was a hollow big enough to lay my index finger totally inside my leg.
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ahhh whats wrong with my feet???
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I did not know that all this happened to you and your hunt wow! Shane
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I did not know that all this happened to you and your hunt wow! Shane
It weren't nuthin! :)
Facebook is good for posting pictures and keeping up with a bunch of friends, but it's tough to get a cohesive story out.
Glad to see you put your tag on one Shane.
Woodswalker, THAT was my recurring nightmare for a few days! a little higher and that's what would have happened. YIKES! they did a good job on the stitchin!
I'll wear chaps for sure, and boots. just too easy for that to go REALLY wrong.
Wa Hunter - thanks for the compliment on the pack board, that's actually my own design.
Hornseeker, SOCKS ARE FOR GIRLS! :) actually, socks would just be another thing to get wet. after wearing these for a few serious trips, I just dont really mind cold or wet feet anymore.
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Son of a B! Here I am enjoying a nice long neck and you have to go and post pics like that. They are so raunchy I was forced to choke down the last 1/4 of my beer, call my wife over to show her, get a fresh one while she exclaimed how bad they were, then look again. I swear I'm about done with this site.
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Son of a B! Here I am enjoying a nice long neck and you have to go and post pics like that. They are so raunchy I was forced to choke down the last 1/4 of my beer, call my wife over to show her, get a fresh one while she exclaimed how bad they were, then look again. I swear I'm about done with this site.
Yea....Dirty24-7 is a sick puppy ! :chuckle: :chuckle: