Post by: Maverick on December 09, 2010, 04:16:14 PM
Post by: Hyde on December 09, 2010, 10:21:11 PM
Post by: Maverick on December 10, 2010, 11:10:25 PM
Post by: adam.WI on December 11, 2010, 01:35:35 PM
about $300-$600. I wanting to take pics that are good enough for me to blow up and hang on my walls. So great close up shots from a distance.I think for that money your best bet is to call someone with a highend camera and give them the money to take the pic :chuckle:
Post by: Hyde on December 12, 2010, 08:04:27 AM
Those lenses are pretty much crap, but ok for a start. You can always rent great lenses if you are near Seattle.
Post by: Maverick on December 14, 2010, 10:18:57 AM
Post by: jackelope on December 14, 2010, 10:31:35 AM
The panasonic Lumix FZ cameras are pretty darn good for +/- $400.00
Post by: adam.WI on December 14, 2010, 12:24:18 PM
ouch adam. Haha. Alright so what lenses should I be looking at?I know, that wasn't very nice. The only reason I say that is that I have the same interests. I had been using a canon rebel but just upgraded a bit. I'd sell it for the low end of what your looking to spend, I'll pm you details
Post by: Bob33 on December 14, 2010, 12:34:37 PM
That means you must go with an SLR type camera if you really want quality photos.
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Post by: Maverick on December 14, 2010, 06:56:12 PM
Post by: yajsab on December 17, 2010, 10:56:37 PM
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/542293-REG/Canon_2746B002AA_EF_800mm_f_5_6L_IS.html (http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/542293-REG/Canon_2746B002AA_EF_800mm_f_5_6L_IS.html)
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Post by: Tom Reichner on January 04, 2011, 09:38:10 AM
so for my budget. Could I get a camera and lens that zooms up to a buck for a good pick at lets say 2-300 yards? What kind of yardage would I be looking to get to still be able to zoom in for a good shot? What size lens would I want for distances like that?
I think it is quite unrealistic to get a good image of a deer at 300 yards, no matter what lens & camera you have. I have some pretty good reach when I use my 2x tele-extender on my 400mm lens - and my limit for a quality image with that combo is about 80 yards. Even that is a stretch, as the 2x will degrade image quality.
Even if your budget was 15 grand and you could buy the 800mm f5.6, a 2x tele-extender, and a 1D mark4, you would still be unable to get a good photo of a deer at 200-300 yards.
On the positive side, you can buy a very good point & shoot (or an older DSLR and a cheap zoom telephoto) with some serious zoom reach, then work on getting closer - much closer - to the bucks. It is not at all unreasonable to expect to be able to get within 40 yards of a good buck. Bowhunters do it all of the time. At this range you will most likely be able to get some images that you will be happy with.
Getting that close will most likely require some significant time & effort, just like bowhunting. You will probably want to wet up a ground blind, or construct a blind of natural materials found on site. You may also need to set out bait in order to draw deer to the area near the blind. You will want to create "shooting lanes" so that when the buck does appear, you don't have any twigs, weeds, etc between your camera and the buck. Remember the sun and the angle at which it illuminates the area you set up in. You want to choose an area where the sun will be behind your blind so that the deer you photograph have light on them.
Bottom line is, you will need to get much closer than 300 yards to get a good photo, and doing so will take time, effort, and dedication. If you do this, and start getting some pretty good photos, then you're probably going to want to up your budget a bit and get a DSLR and a half decent lens. Photography of this sort is addictive!
Post by: Hornseeker on January 04, 2011, 05:03:40 PM
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and my limit for a quality image with that combo is about 80 yards
Quality image is a relative term Tom. This guy may have a very different idea of that from you.
If you buy the new Canon SX30IS you will be happy. In good light conditions, you can get pics at several hundred yards that let you see the deers rack and judge him and such. And frankly, you may even want to blow it up and hang it on your wall. I have, and my camera only has a 12 power zoom while this SX30 has a 35 power zoom. The SX20 is a good choice too.
For magazine quality shots, Tom is right on...at the distances you are talking, it is unrealistic unless you want just a landscape photo with a critter in it.
Tom, Doug, Pope, Tony et al? Do you have some pics of critters, with good gear, that are 100-300 yards away??It would be fun to see them. My bet is that I and many others will thing they are "quality" images.
Post by: quadrafire on January 04, 2011, 05:09:34 PM
Tom I saw your pic on Montana Outdoor photo edition, back cover rams. AWSOME. How far away were they and with what lens option? just as example of the above discussion.so for my budget. Could I get a camera and lens that zooms up to a buck for a good pick at lets say 2-300 yards? What kind of yardage would I be looking to get to still be able to zoom in for a good shot? What size lens would I want for distances like that?
I think it is quite unrealistic to get a good image of a deer at 300 yards, no matter what lens & camera you have. I have some pretty good reach when I use my 2x tele-extender on my 400mm lens - and my limit for a quality image with that combo is about 80 yards. Even that is a stretch, as the 2x will degrade image quality.
Even if your budget was 15 grand and you could buy the 800mm f5.6, a 2x tele-extender, and a 1D mark4, you would still be unable to get a good photo of a deer at 200-300 yards.
On the positive side, you can buy a very good point & shoot (or an older DSLR and a cheap zoom telephoto) with some serious zoom reach, then work on getting closer - much closer - to the bucks. It is not at all unreasonable to expect to be able to get within 40 yards of a good buck. Bowhunters do it all of the time. At this range you will most likely be able to get some images that you will be happy with.
Getting that close will most likely require some significant time & effort, just like bowhunting. You will probably want to wet up a ground blind, or construct a blind of natural materials found on site. You may also need to set out bait in order to draw deer to the area near the blind. You will want to create "shooting lanes" so that when the buck does appear, you don't have any twigs, weeds, etc between your camera and the buck. Remember the sun and the angle at which it illuminates the area you set up in. You want to choose an area where the sun will be behind your blind so that the deer you photograph have light on them.
Bottom line is, you will need to get much closer than 300 yards to get a good photo, and doing so will take time, effort, and dedication. If you do this, and start getting some pretty good photos, then you're probably going to want to up your budget a bit and get a DSLR and a half decent lens. Photography of this sort is addictive!
Post by: quadrafire on January 04, 2011, 05:11:18 PM
The ultimate catch and release.
Post by: Tom Reichner on January 04, 2011, 06:06:23 PM
Quality image is a relative term Tom. This guy may have a very different idea of that from you.
Point well taken, Hornseeker. Thanks for setting me straight.
Tom, Doug, Pope, Tony et al? Do you have some pics of critters, with good gear, that are 100-300 yards away??It would be fun to see them. My bet is that I and many others will thing they are "quality" images.Here's an image of a buck taken at about 150 yards. The image was taken with my Canon 5D, with the 400mm, and a 1.4 tele-extender on it, for a total focal length of 560mm. I left the photo uncropped so that you can get a better idea of what you can expect at this distance.
Quadrafire, those rams were shot with the same combination as the attached photo - 560mm total focal length. But they were much, much closer - about 15 yards away! Rams are so much more cooperative than Whitetails.
Tom I saw your pic on Montana Outdoor photo edition, back cover rams. AWSOME. How far away were they and with what lens option? just as example of the above discussion.
Post by: Hornseeker on January 04, 2011, 06:11:28 PM
I will scale back my yardage comment though... with my camera at 12X....on a tripod and good light, I can get a passable pic at 100-150 yards, but nothing beyond that. The SX30 with a 35 power zoom, on a tripod, great light, no wind and the animal dead still?? Not sure what it would do....
Post by: Hornseeker on January 04, 2011, 06:12:54 PM
Id like to see some good light pics of some critters say, 300 yards away with that outfit...jsut for kicks. Same with Bones cam ....
Post by: swanny on January 04, 2011, 09:48:26 PM
so for my budget. Could I get a camera and lens that zooms up to a buck for a good pick at lets say 2-300 yards? What kind of yardage would I be looking to get to still be able to zoom in for a good shot? What size lens would I want for distances like that?
to give you and idea, this was taken at with my 55-200mm lens at 200mm. Standard kit lens, around 100-125 yards if I remember correctly.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/swannick/4910346590/# (http://www.flickr.com/photos/swannick/4910346590/#)
Post by: grandpawrichard on January 04, 2011, 11:08:47 PM
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Tom, Doug, Pope, Tony et al? Do you have some pics of critters, with good gear, that are 100-300 yards away??
I have a few photos that I took of a Bald Eagle this fall. The bird was about 100 yards away from us and near the top of the tree. I used a Canon 400 F/5.6 L series lens to grab the following photos. (Please remember that I had to crop the heck out of the Original image to bring the bird up to the size you see.)
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi20.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fb218%2Fgrandpawrichard%2Flookingaround1smallcopy.jpg&hash=e3fd8c9d09bc58d36e27e380d2282ab28ba5e453)
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Even tighter Crops of the original:
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Dick
Post by: grandpawrichard on January 04, 2011, 11:18:28 PM
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hunt101.com%2Fdata%2F500%2FMT_Baker_taken_with_an_18_mm_lens_1_small_copy.jpg&hash=606c83b56505a62149128b340a9bc4954e00d0c1)
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As you can see, each time the focal length was multiplied the mountain was moved forward because the intermediate distance was compressed.
Dick
Post by: Hornseeker on January 05, 2011, 07:10:00 AM
Post by: tlbradford on January 07, 2011, 01:56:17 PM
Post by: Suncrest Sniper on January 08, 2011, 04:13:11 PM
http://www.google.com/products/catalog?rlz=1C1CHFX_enUS381US381&q=canon+powershot+sx20+is&um=1&ie=UTF-8&cid=8476958224290137787&ei=3_woTfbTEo_AsAONse2FBw&sa=X&oi=product_catalog_result&ct=result&resnum=3&ved=0CDcQ8wIwAg# (http://www.google.com/products/catalog?rlz=1C1CHFX_enUS381US381&q=canon+powershot+sx20+is&um=1&ie=UTF-8&cid=8476958224290137787&ei=3_woTfbTEo_AsAONse2FBw&sa=X&oi=product_catalog_result&ct=result&resnum=3&ved=0CDcQ8wIwAg#)
For a little more you can get the newer SX30........
SS
Post by: bak2huntn on January 10, 2011, 09:10:50 PM