Post by: ridgefire on December 11, 2010, 11:35:12 AM
Post by: Rick on December 11, 2010, 11:53:07 AM
If you're going to carry it in the woods,you can get much better loads for cougar or bear in .357
Post by: MP123 on December 11, 2010, 12:08:30 PM
I'd go .357
If you're going to carry it in the woods,you can get much better loads for cougar or bear in .357
:yeah:
That does pretty much mean a wheel gun rather than a semi auto. How do you feel about that?
Post by: Hyde on December 11, 2010, 01:10:32 PM
....is there one gun that will do this or am i looking at a couple different guns?
Hard to cover concealed carry, home defense, and woods backup gun in one package. Not impossible, but not ideal. I say get many. ;)
If I could only have one though, it would be something like this: http://www.kimberamerica.com/products/pistols/supercarry/supercarry_pro/ (http://www.kimberamerica.com/products/pistols/supercarry/supercarry_pro/)
Post by: FC on December 11, 2010, 01:15:16 PM
I'd go .357
If you're going to carry it in the woods,you can get much better loads for cougar or bear in .357
:yeah:
That does pretty much mean a wheel gun rather than a semi auto. How do you feel about that?
There is always .357 Sig.
Post by: MP123 on December 11, 2010, 01:31:01 PM
I'd go .357
If you're going to carry it in the woods,you can get much better loads for cougar or bear in .357
:yeah:
That does pretty much mean a wheel gun rather than a semi auto. How do you feel about that?
There is always .357 Sig.
Yeah, you're right. Or I think you can get a Desert Eagle in regular .357 too.
Still most .357s will be revolvers and the .40 and .45s will tend to be semi auto although there's probably exceptions there too...
Post by: Rick on December 11, 2010, 03:42:35 PM
There is always .357 Sig.
The beauty of the .357 is that you can buy (or load) hardcast ammo made for hunting. If you're going to be using it on animals,you aren't going to want light weight HPs. You need something to penetrate and break bone. Thats what hard cast ammo does.
I haven't looked,but I can't imagine you can find anything but either ball or HPs for a .357 Sig.
In reality,he'd be far better off with two different guns.
Something light weight and concealable for in town carry,and something like a Ruger Blackhawk for woods carry.
Post by: Whitelightning on December 11, 2010, 03:45:50 PM
Post by: FC on December 11, 2010, 04:13:34 PM
"Item 25B utilizes a 124gr. FMJ flat nose bullet at 1,425 fps. This bullet will smash through typical stick frame walls, car doors and a bears skull or shoulder bones. It is designed for those who need deep penetration. It should penetrate 24+ inches in human tissue."
Post by: Jburke on December 11, 2010, 09:02:53 PM
Post by: carpsniperg2 on December 11, 2010, 09:09:40 PM
Post by: Tony 270 on December 11, 2010, 09:13:52 PM
Post by: ridgefire on December 11, 2010, 09:30:08 PM
Post by: jackelope on December 11, 2010, 10:16:21 PM
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Post by: Jason on December 11, 2010, 10:27:50 PM
Post by: gadwall on December 11, 2010, 11:55:24 PM
:yeah:I'd go .357
If you're going to carry it in the woods,you can get much better loads for cougar or bear in .357
:yeah:
That does pretty much mean a wheel gun rather than a semi auto. How do you feel about that?
Post by: Rick on December 12, 2010, 08:16:52 AM
http://www.buffalobore.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=124 (http://www.buffalobore.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=124)
"Item 25B utilizes a 124gr. FMJ flat nose bullet at 1,425 fps. This bullet will smash through typical stick frame walls, car doors and a bears skull or shoulder bones. It is designed for those who need deep penetration. It should penetrate 24+ inches in human tissue."
Thats a decent load,but I'd rather have a 180gr. hard cast at 1400fps.
Post by: mebco09 on December 12, 2010, 07:18:32 PM
I would say that the governing factor would be the concealment potential of an all-around gun rather than knockdown power on a wild animal.
The most important factor is to get a gun that is comfortable that you will wear, it does you no good if you have to leave it in the truck beacuse it is too heavy etc.
Post by: mjbskwim on December 12, 2010, 07:45:45 PM
Glock 10mm's come in a few sizes and are great guns.Recoil isn't too bad either.
The full size is as big as you would want for concealed carry
Otherwise a nice Ruger GP 100 in 357 is great.Still concealable and a great round.A little small for hunting,but should be adequate for scaring a black bear off. Yes I know it will kill a deer.So will a 22LR
Blackhawks are great but not a great configuration for carrying concealed.
I would wait and save money up before I would bother with a Taurus.I have had a few and got rid of all of them in short time.
40's and 45ACPs are OK for outdoor and should ward off most threats,but are the best 2 calibers for a CCW
It really comes down to what YOU shoot best.Shot placement.
And if you want it primarily for a CCW or a sidearm for hiking
Which will it be used for most?
Go to a gun range that rents handguns and try some out
Oh and my standard for those thinking of starting to CC,
only do this if you can KILL someone.Cause if you can't,they bad guy will take your gun and kill you and your family.
Post by: Huntbear on December 12, 2010, 07:55:04 PM
My minimum would be a .357 mag. One thing about wheel guns, they always go bang.
Post by: moffitt on December 12, 2010, 07:57:42 PM
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Post by: Tony 270 on December 12, 2010, 10:02:41 PM
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Post by: Wazukie on December 12, 2010, 10:35:18 PM
Post by: fisheral87 on December 13, 2010, 03:17:14 PM
http://www.ruger.com/products/sp101/models.html (http://www.ruger.com/products/sp101/models.html)
Firepower limitation, but a sweet little gun.
Post by: rock on December 13, 2010, 04:27:03 PM
:IBCOOL:
Post by: high country on December 13, 2010, 05:02:27 PM
Post by: BallisticsNut on December 13, 2010, 05:38:22 PM
i am going to be buying a handgun and not sure what to buy. i want something for carry and home but possibly big enough to carry in the woods as well. is there one gun that will do this or am i looking at a couple different guns. was looking at the .40, .357 and the .45. what would you recommend. thanks
I have an imput on this. 5 years ago or so, I went through the same issue. I wasnt in now hurry so i went to my local range often and rented handguns at various calibers and models to see what "fit" my needs for accuracy as well as comfort. I eventually was sold on the Sig Saur P226 Blackwater and I dont regret that decsion in the least. Came with 5 magazines and far more accurate then any other weapon I tried. So, lets get down to brass tax.
Home use defined as self defense? = short distance and reliable go with a police issue glock .40 and you wont have any worries.
If you are looking for something more to have fun with and a little more accurate i would look at a Sig P229 Elite which has interchangeable barrels. You can convert from a .40 to a .357 or .9mm. (which is what I should have done) A bit pricey but well worth the extra. http://www.sigsauer.com/Products/ShowCatalogProductDetails.aspx?categoryid=8&productid=253 (http://www.sigsauer.com/Products/ShowCatalogProductDetails.aspx?categoryid=8&productid=253)
Also, the CZ shoots real nice and comes in both left hand and right hand models. http://cz-usa.com/products/by-category/handguns/ (http://cz-usa.com/products/by-category/handguns/)
:twocents:
Either way, try and find a range locally that you can rent hand guns and try out a few. Get what feels right for you and you will have more confidence when you use it. thats what is important IMHO!
Post by: ridgefire on December 13, 2010, 06:08:22 PM
Post by: fisheral87 on December 15, 2010, 09:25:49 AM
The .357 mag is a solid round, power, versatility of use and ammunition, and manageable recoil with most platforms. Disadvantage is round count with revolvers. Practice will dictate your effectiveness, not round count. :twocents:
I have heard the 10mm is a good round but harder to come by than say .38 spl and .357 mag.
You really should go shoot the ones you are looking at. I love buying/shooting/owning/talking guns. :chuckle:
Keep us updated, as I am poor at the moment and would like to live vicariously through you. :guns:
Post by: Elk-aholic on December 15, 2010, 10:42:43 AM
Post by: fisheral87 on December 15, 2010, 10:53:02 AM
Post by: woodywsu on December 15, 2010, 11:44:49 AM
My wife loves the 45 also. So home defense isn't a concern.
Post by: GoldTip on December 15, 2010, 11:57:48 AM
For what you've proposed you want the gun for, I'd go with one of the lightweight 357mags, hard to have a wheel gun fail on you when you need it. Can practice with cheap ball ammo in 38 special with very little recoil. I would maybe look at one of the scandium framed S&W revolvers, very lite and small. Spendy but worth the pennies.
Post by: FC on December 15, 2010, 04:55:39 PM
Does anyone shoot the .357 sig? Everything I have read has said it is not any better and probably worse than other offerings. My impression is that it does not compare to the .357 mag as far as knock down power.
Do some more looking, 357 sig and magnum are close in ballistics with the advantage of heavier bullets going to the magnum but for 147gr and down it's pretty close with the advantage going to the sig due to capacity. If you haven't shot a 357 sig you should rent one next time you are at the range, you might just be surprised how much you like it.
Post by: DaveR on December 15, 2010, 06:19:14 PM
Tanfoglio Witness "Stock" 10MM. 15rd capacity.
that sucker is nice!
I want a FA 500 Wyoming. It would be like my 454 though. It mostly just goes to the range. Another vote for the 357. If I do pack in the woods. My Dan Wesson is what usually goes along. I plink with it way more than any other centerfire handgun i own. I load them down with cast bullits, but shoot full power loads quite a bit too.
Post by: ridgefire on December 18, 2010, 01:05:10 PM
Post by: FC on December 18, 2010, 01:34:16 PM
i ended up buying a xd40 sub compact from dougs boats in woodinville. he had it for 489 bucks, seemed like a pretty good price cant wait to get it and start shooting.
Not a bad choice on an XD40 sc, they are extremely reliable guns. Are you going to get your CPL too?
Post by: ridgefire on December 18, 2010, 01:36:57 PM
Post by: FC on December 18, 2010, 02:23:26 PM
Post by: Whitelightning on December 18, 2010, 03:44:33 PM
Good choice on the XD I have read nothing but good about them. I went with the XDM 3.8 40 S&W.
Post by: high country on December 19, 2010, 06:27:16 AM
Tanfoglio Witness "Stock" 10MM. 15rd capacity.
I used to have a tangfolio in 45. funny how under rated they are. it fit me like a glove.....although a bit heavy. I miss mine.
Post by: Elk-aholic on December 20, 2010, 10:33:04 AM
Tanfoglio Witness "Stock" 10MM. 15rd capacity.
I used to have a tangfolio in 45. funny how under rated they are. it fit me like a glove.....although a bit heavy. I miss mine.
I agree, the ergonomics of the CZ 75 design are what draw me to the Witness line, they just feel good in my hands. The weight is a little on the heavy side but I don't think it's worse than any of the Sig's I have. I would love to find a Israeli Jericho in 9mm...
Post by: Schwag173 on December 27, 2010, 09:05:50 PM
Post by: Phantom Gobbler on December 27, 2010, 09:41:06 PM
The stuff I have read says to go for a minimum of .41 Mag for backwoods carry (Bears, etc.). I have a .44 Mag Ruger Blackhawk with a 4 5/8 inch barrel. It is a little on the heavy side for backcountry carry, but was nice to have when we ran into some crazed rutting moose in Idaho. S&W makes a .44 Mag Mountain Gun with a lighter weight (Titanium) frame that might be looking into ... for taking it steep and deep.
For in-town carry, make sure you are comfortable with the size and weight of your choice. Your Dad's S&W .38 Airweight (without an exposed hammer) is really a slick way to go for in close personal protection.
I have an XDm 3.8 in 9mm (20 Rds) for in town work, but find that it is a little large for "easy" concealment. I am planning to pick up something like the .38 S&W Airweight or possibly a .380 Auto (Sig or Bersa) for easy pocket carry. Dakota Dave picked up a Bersa Thunder in .380 and seems to have it wherever he goes in town or in vehicle.
Good luck and let me know when you want to go shooting!
:guns:
Post by: addicted on December 27, 2010, 11:51:44 PM
comes with different barrels and you just swap to the short one for concealed and swap to the long one for 200+ yard hunting. :drool:
Post by: YoungBuck on December 28, 2010, 12:08:17 AM
Or the rhe Ruger SR40 for a semi-auto.
Post by: Schwag173 on January 01, 2011, 07:53:22 PM
how bout a dan wesson supermag package. 445.
comes with different barrels and you just swap to the short one for concealed and swap to the long one for 200+ yard hunting. :drool:
I wouldn't; a carry gun isn't a cordless drill and I think you would soon grow tired of packing (concealed) the bulk and weight. Pretty soon, you'll start leaving it at home instead of tucking it under your shirt for your trip to the grocery store or wherever. Handguns are tools; concealed-carry and hunting require two different kinds. On the other hand, it IS your money so I hope you find whatever works best for you. :)
Post by: 2506 on January 01, 2011, 08:17:11 PM
Post by: carpsniperg2 on January 01, 2011, 08:21:30 PM
500 s&w mag!!! :drool: with a magna port so it doesnt fly out of your hands when you shoot it. I have a relative who has one and I have shot it with the magna port and its not too bad at all :twocents:
Yeah it won't fly out of your hands, but it will pop both your ear drums after one shot :chuckle: I have shot my ported 454, 2 times back to back without hear protection. In one of those oh crap moments. I did not hear for 2 days strait! I thought i had lost my hearing. My fence gun is a ported 357mag and it is very very loud to. :chuckle: Ported guns are great, but hard on the ears.
Post by: JackOfAllTrades on January 01, 2011, 09:20:48 PM
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and swap to the long one for 200+ yard hunting.
You're kidding, right?
-Steve
Post by: addicted on January 02, 2011, 05:47:42 AM
Quoteand swap to the long one for 200+ yard hunting.
You're kidding, right?
-Steve
nope.
smdave has a couple of them and has carried his .445 a couple times hunting.
445 SuperMagnum (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yIjIeTU7Wk&feature=watch_response#)