Post by: Huntmossberg8 on April 15, 2008, 04:49:01 AM
Im gonna go fall asleep under a tree somewhere..lol..
Post by: boneaddict on April 15, 2008, 06:06:06 AM
Post by: ICEMAN on April 15, 2008, 06:26:37 AM
I ran into Huntmossberg8 at Cabelas last night in Lacey. He overheard me talking it up with a sales associate, and realized he heard the story before, came over and asked "you from HuntWa?" How cool is that!?
This sight is truly amazing, so far all the folks I have shaken hands with after meeting online here are truly decent great people.
Thanks Ray!
Also, Huntmossberg8, good luck on your hunt! I am taking my 9yr old daughter this weekend for hopefully a repeat of last year, where she called my bird to me! :IBCOOL:
Post by: Huntmossberg8 on April 15, 2008, 02:20:22 PM
I would have to agree, that Last night at cabelas I met my first fellow HuntWa, member ICEMAN. I did over hear him telling a story to a sales associate, who i wanted to ask where some camo wrap tape was.
Ice, Seemed like a great guy who also shared the passion of hunting that i do, I hope to meet some more guys on here sooner or later, whether by accident or not.
As of this morning, The turkey slam ot off to a great start, but not for me, for my hunting partner my 22 year old cousin. we snuck a tom, that would not come any closer to us after calling for some time and at about at about 9 am, and he blasted it. An eastern, with a 6 inch beard and about 3/4 inch spurs.his first western washington bird. I will post a picture later this evening. Good liuck to all i have to go right now i have a high shcool baseball game..
Post by: boneaddict on April 15, 2008, 03:04:10 PM
I agree Ice. I slowly keep meeting you one at a time.
Post by: ICEMAN on April 15, 2008, 08:04:14 PM
Congrats on the bird, can't wait to see the pics!
Post by: Ray on April 15, 2008, 08:35:57 PM
Post by: clhutner on April 15, 2008, 08:48:02 PM
Post by: Huntmossberg8 on April 16, 2008, 09:43:47 AM
I didn't go this morning, i decided to sleep in after an eventful night last night at m baseball game, we did end up winning 14-9. but anyways. here is the only picture i have of the bird my cousin killed yseterday.
It is not the best, but here is a western washington eastern for you.
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi116.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fo37%2Fbigbucks8%2Fjustinseastern.jpg&hash=f30a819033a26878e64810941b0d5192c2e1c618)
Post by: 10Key on April 16, 2008, 10:56:03 AM
Post by: Machias on April 16, 2008, 12:09:45 PM
Post by: popeshawnpaul on April 16, 2008, 07:18:04 PM
The analogy for me would be is it unsafe for me to stalk elk when I bowhunt them in september? Or can I only call them in? I don't get it.
Post by: mossback91 on April 16, 2008, 07:33:39 PM
I don't get it really Machias. As long as the person is safe and knows what his target is, I don't see the problem. I know there are accidents from idiots that don't know their target and shoot. I guess we all assume some risk when you go out hunting with other people in the woods.+1
The analogy for me would be is it unsafe for me to stalk elk when I bowhunt them in september? Or can I only call them in? I don't get it.
Post by: jackelope on April 16, 2008, 07:54:35 PM
i also know 1 very experienced old timer hunter back home who unfortunately shot a man turkey hunting. he was not severely injured, thankfully, but *censored* happens to the best hunters in the world once in a while.
i'm with machias on this one.
congrats on the bird.
pope, there's a huge difference between stalking in on a 600 lb bull elk and a turkey, especially with all the cool-guy decoys available for turkeys these days.
Post by: mossback91 on April 16, 2008, 08:02:29 PM
Post by: popeshawnpaul on April 16, 2008, 11:56:31 PM
It comes down to knowing what you are shooting at. If you can't tell a decoy from an original and can't tell if you are going to shoot someone you don't belong out hunting and risking my life. We are sympathetic for these turkey hunters yet we come down hard on someone who has a hard time telling the distinction between a brown colored black bear and a grizzly in a non-grizzly area? I do understand sh*t happens, but I have no sympathy here as a fellow turkey hunter.
On the point of the topic, well done. I have wanted to kill an eastern and have not got out and done it. Great bird.
Post by: ICEMAN on April 17, 2008, 04:41:11 AM
We are always moving towards a bird when hunting turkey. If you simply drop your butt to the ground at the first turkey you hear hoping that he will come your way, you arent going to have the best of luck when hunting.
I think it is a bit unclear what was meant by "snuck" up on the bird. Let's give the hunter the beneift of the doubt, that he is being as safe as he can, before we start slamming him.
A simple reminder for all of us, that; "look, hunters can get shot....we are in camo, everyone else is in camo, we are all carrying guns and want to shoot a turkey, make sure of our shots, be very carefull, lets not make any mistakes...." should be enough of a reminder in this case, IMHO.
Great bird Huntmossberg8. Not many guys scoring on the westside on any given year. Congrats!
Post by: Outfitter on April 17, 2008, 07:41:55 AM
Post by: Skyvalhunter on April 17, 2008, 08:19:28 AM
Post by: MountainWalk on April 17, 2008, 08:28:52 AM
Post by: Intruder on April 17, 2008, 09:35:56 AM
Boy I sure hate the be the stick in the mud. There is a vey good reason why sneaking in on birds is frowned upon and discouraged. Not only is it not what turkey hunting is all about, ie learning to call the birds to you, but is extremely unsafe. Congrats on your friend taking the bird, but congrats even more on not getting yourself or someone else shot. With all the strutting decoys on the market nowadays, folks getting blasted either sitting at a decoy or sneaking in on one will happen much more. Every year lots of hunters are shot sneaking into gobblers. How do you know someone else isn't sitting there softly calling to that tom. It's just a bad idea and very unsafe. :twocents: :peep:
Here - Here!!! Even taking the safety aspect out of the mix. The point about screwing up another guy's setup shouldn't be ignored. You can certainly move toward a gobblin bird to try and call it. But trying to sneak up on it could totally screw a guy who's been working it for hours. And as pointed out... can get you or the other guy shot.
Bottom-Line: Don't do it!!!! :bdid:
Post by: popeshawnpaul on April 17, 2008, 11:07:17 AM
It's just like elk for me. If I hear another guy calling to an elk, I'll back off. If you can't tell the difference then you need to back off until you are sure of your quarry.
Post by: Machias on April 17, 2008, 11:31:25 AM
From a different site on hunting safety: Notice #2:
The following are a laundry list of safety tips that Hughes recommends that all turkey hunters memorize before hitting the field this spring. I encourage you to study them all. Remember, one turkey hunting accident is one turkey hunting accident too many.
To wit:
• Hunt defensively. Never assume other hunters are acting responsibly.
• Never stalk a turkey. The chances of getting close enough for a shot are slim, but the chances of becoming involved in an accident are increased.
• If you want to locate a tom, use an owl, crow or other locator call instead.
• Eliminate red, white and blue colors from your turkey hunting outfit.
• When turkey hunting, assume every sound you hear is made by another hunter. Once you pull the trigger, you can’t take the shot back.
• Hunting should not be treated as a competitive sport. Peer pressure to bag a bird leads to poor judgment.
• Discuss hunting safety techniques with your hunting companions. Many accidents are caused by people in the same hunting party. When party hunting, be sure of everyone’s location.
• Never assume you’re alone in the woods, even on private property.
• Always keep your gun pointed in a safe direction.
• Use a flashlight when walking in the dark.
• Make sure your headnet doesn’t obscure your vision.
• Be aware of what’s beyond your target before you shoot.
• Keep your gun unloaded until you are set up in the field. Keep your finger off the trigger until you are ready to shoot.
• Respect property rights and secure permission before hunting.
Another site:
Tips for a Safe and Successful Turkey Hunt
Turkey Hunting can be an exciting and memorable experience, but it has associated dangers that the hunter must keep in mind. The wild turkey has a keen sense of sight and can easily detect movement and colors that are out of place in the woods, making the use of complete camouflage or drab colored clothing almost a must. Camouflage not only reduces the turkey's chance of seeing the hunter, but also has the same effect on other hunters. Each year hunters somewhere in the U.S. are mistaken for turkey's and are shot. Several factors are responsible for these accidents. Hunters sneaking up on other hunters (stalking) who are calling and hunters who are wearing turkey colors (red, white, blue, and even black.) are involved in a high percentage of the accidents.
Three solutions to these problems are:
DON'T STALK, CALL THE TURKEY TO YOU;
DON'T WEAR THE COLORS RED, WHITE, BLUE, OR BLACK ON ANYTHING THAT MIGHT BE EXPOSED DURING YOUR HUNT
DON'T HIDE WHERE YOUR VIEW IS OBSTRUCTED
One more, seeing a theme here?
Turkey Hunting Safety Tips:
Select a calling position where you can see for at least 50 yards in all directions and where you are protected from the backside.
Whistle or shout to alert approaching hunters of your position. Never wave or stand up.
Never sneak in on a turkey or use a gobbler call near other hunters.
Never crowd another hunter working a bird.
Never shoot at sound or movement.
Use a flashlight when walking in the dark.
Be aware of turkey "fever" and its prevention. Disregard peer pressure to bag a bird.
Be extremely careful using turkey decoys.
Do not wear red, white, or blue outer wear or exposed inner clothing.
Make sure your headnet doesn't obscure your vision.
Don't assume you are the only hunter in the area. Be certain of a companion's location.
Know and identify your target and what is beyond.
Discuss safety techniques with companions.
Never assume that other hunters are responsible.
Always keep your gun pointed in a safe direction.
Always keep your finger off the trigger until ready to shoot.
Always keep your gun unloaded until ready to use.
Never use alcohol or drugs before or while hunting.
Respect property rights and secure permission before hunting.
Hunters should unload their guns when crossing fences, climbing into stands, jumping ditches or traversing steep ravines.
Post by: Skyvalhunter on April 17, 2008, 11:40:14 AM
Post by: BLUEBULLS on April 17, 2008, 12:07:16 PM
huh???????
what's elk hunting all about then? If this were the case then elk should only be hunted when they're succeptible to calling, right? I don't want to make anyone mad but I think it's fine to sneak a turkey. Just be damn careful and know what you're up against.
It's challenging to stalk a big ole Tom and one on one seems ethical to me.
Post by: Machias on April 17, 2008, 12:54:40 PM
Safe and Ethical Turkey Hunting
1. ALWAYS ask permission to hunt on private land. Most landowners are cooperative if you ask.
2. Do not attempt to stalk a turkey. That gobbler you’re stalking may be another hunter.
3. Unless absolutely necessary, don’t use a gobbler call. This call can be productive, but also very dangerous. Use this call when all else fails and then sparingly.
4. Never wear any red, white, or blue clothes. These are the colors of the gobbler’s head, the primary target of the turkey hunter.
5. Never presume what you hear is a turkey. Many hunters are convincing callers.
6. Select a calling site that gives at least 40 yards of vision in all directions and sit with your back to a large tree.
7. If another hunter is working a bird, don’t spoil it by calling or spooking the bird.
8. Make sure that the gobbler is within sure range of the shotgun and shoot only the neck and head.
9. Be absolutely positive of your target. After you pull the trigger, it’s too late.
10. Should you see another hunter (especially if he/she is close to your "line of sight") call out to the hunter in a loud, clear voice.
Post by: BLUEBULLS on April 17, 2008, 02:01:10 PM
Post by: Wacenturion on April 17, 2008, 02:10:11 PM
Post by: MountainWalk on April 17, 2008, 02:26:22 PM
i think that is liable to scare the hell outta someone and who knows what could happen?
i say just talk in a normal plain voice. sorry to nitpick
Post by: BrushChimp on April 17, 2008, 02:47:40 PM
Post by: Machias on April 17, 2008, 03:45:11 PM
P.S. I agree with Mountainwalk338, I tend to speak softly, increasing my volume until they notice me, don't want to startle anyone. The main thing there they are trying to get at is don't wave or move before you get their attention.
Post by: Wacenturion on April 17, 2008, 05:09:57 PM
"Comparing turkey hunting to elk hunting isn't that far of a stretch to me. Stalking is stalking."
I said......
......."comparing turkey hunting to elk hunting to validate stalking of gobblers is a real stretch."
VALIDATE being the key word here. I didn't say they were not comparable.....i.e. like calling a tom or buggling a bull. Stalking an elk is pretty standard for elk hunting outside the rut....but stalking turkeys is outside the norm.
Post by: popeshawnpaul on April 17, 2008, 05:54:14 PM
I know that there are various guidelines that you should not stalk a turkey out there. However, there are guidelines and rules that you shouldn't speed in a car, yet we all do it. The most likely cause of death in the U.S. is car accidents, yet we still drive around. I don't believe the occurrence of accidents for stalking turkeys is crazy high. I'd like to see some statistics not that it happens in Missouri, but how many times per year it happens in WA. Every year people get shot doing every type of hunting. Is it really quite a bit higher for turkey hunting while stalking? Show me statistics if they are out there. Otherwise, I have a hard time believing them.
Then you get into the issues of private land. If you are the only person that is supposed to be on the property is it ok? Should we assume someone is on the land tresspassing? Should you be more cautious about stalking on crowded public land? If you hear someone calling a bird, can you discern which one is the human caller? These are questions an intelligent person can answer and make their own decisions. I'm not saying everyone should go out and stalk turkeys everywhere. I'm saying use your head and approach the tactic/idea in a reasonable and cautious manner. Just as you would any hunting situation like elk hunting.
By the way, in a unit where you can shoot elk cows and bulls I don't think it's much of a stretch to compare elk hunting with turkey hunting...calling, camo, *censored*es shooting on sight, etc.
Post by: Intruder on April 17, 2008, 06:22:50 PM
As far as comparing stalking an elk and stalking a turkey.... it's a total stretch. In most states if you're rifle hunting the hunters are going to be wearing blaze orange. During bow season where it's really a factor both guys will be approaching downwind. And it's really an entirely different scenario in respect to the cover, the weapon, the shot ranges and even the position you're shooting from.
Not trying to insult anyone but do some reading on turkey and the history of the sport. Stalking turkeys is not an acceptable hunting technique.
Post by: Wacenturion on April 17, 2008, 06:47:34 PM
Post by: jackelope on April 17, 2008, 07:53:09 PM
there is a reason why it reads everywhere to not stalk turkeys. PEOPLE GET SHOT.
people shoot a decoy, not realizing it's a decoy. what happens to the unsuspecting hunter that is sitting 15 yards on the opposite side of the deke? he gets a face full of #4's. thats a bad start to his day.
the list of reasons to not stalk turkeys goes on and on.
Post by: BrushChimp on April 17, 2008, 08:05:29 PM
I talked to a few other hunters recently as well who admit to stalking turkeys as well. It's a good tactic I believe. I'm not retarded or blind and shoot decoys. Nor do I intrude on other's hunts. I'm about 99% sure no one else hunts the areas I do so this might have a bit to do with it.
People who shoot decoys and/or mistake other hunters for critters outta be shot themselves. It takes very little brain power to distuingish human from furry/feathery animal. If they don't have the smarts to do that, I don't want them passing on their genes.
Post by: jackelope on April 17, 2008, 08:12:19 PM
Post by: ICEMAN on April 17, 2008, 08:21:12 PM
I am sure we all agree that much more attention to safety is in need during a camo clad hunt. Duck hunting, coyote, turkey, bear.
But, I stand a better chance of being injured or killed on my drive to turkey camp than while in the turkey woods. More guys get injured loading their guns than shot by some unscupulous hunter.
What you end up stating here is that some other guy (moron) is waiting to shoot at me cause I am wearing camo in the woods. Closing distance is safe as long as I am not "sneaking"? Lets be a bit realistic. You have no idea what is around the bend. You risk walking into someones shotgun range all day long. No matter what you do, you could get shot. It is a risk. It is hunting. We can make it as safe as we possibly can. I have blaze orange that I can deploy after we claim a bird for the walk out. I can walk down open trails and closed roads and stay in the open as much as possible. I try to stay as far away from other people as possible. But, I cannot control what some asswipe does with his shotgun.
I believe that alot more guys "run and gun" than are willing to chip in here. How far can I close on a tom I hear? How can a hunter determine distance to a tom?
I appreciate the reminders for safety, but in the real world, guys are moving about all the time, and are at constant risk of being mistaken for game, not just when they hear a bird. I think that what some consider stalking, others call closing distance.
Huntmossberg8, this thread of yours has turned a bit into a wrestiling match of sorts, all for the good though.
Post by: jackelope on April 17, 2008, 08:27:24 PM
this is a pointless jacking of a thread and i'm the dummy for keeping it going.
Post by: Machias on April 17, 2008, 09:27:19 PM
P.S. Pope, all those states with the advice not to stalk turkeys are spring gobblers only.
P.S.P.S. The morons who shoot at sound and movement, they happen to be the same guys who don't care about "No Hunting" signs as well. At least when you sitting there in the Hospital you can tell yourself over and over, I was on private property and it sure sounded like a real bird. Good luck to you all.
:stup: :mor:
Post by: bucklucky on April 17, 2008, 10:03:53 PM
Post by: Ray on April 17, 2008, 10:12:05 PM
Post by: popeshawnpaul on April 17, 2008, 11:28:44 PM
I wanted to see just how dangerous this could be so I went and looked up hunting statistics from Wisconsin and Texas. Just Google them, they come right up. Turkey hunting is by far and away not the most dangerous animal to hunt. In Wisconsin, on average, I see that 2.5x as many deaths occur while deer hunting. In texas, the number one cause for hunting accidents is someone got covered on the swing by another wingshooter. By far and away the biggest cause for hunting accidents was wingshooting errors... ie Dick Cheney. Why are we not crusading to outlaw wingshooting for Doves in Texas?
I think accidents do occur when people stalk turkeys. However, I have not been convinced that there is a large percentage of these accidents compared to other accidents in turkey hunting and other game hunting. If anything, I've realized how dangerous wingshooting is. Looks like I'll be hunting grouse alone this year. Oh crap, how am I going to get to the hunting area if I can't drive there because that's unsafe according to the statistics...
Post by: Intruder on April 18, 2008, 07:58:37 AM
The thread is jacked but it's a great topic and debate. It seems to me there is something else going on here. Do you not think it's sporting to stalk a turkey and the only proper way is to call them in? It seems funny this is the issue we are crying foul on.
I wouldn't argue that 1 bit. Stalking turkeys in addition to being highly dangerous is not a sound or acceptable method to hunt them. Generally speaking it isn't very effective.... although at very specific times it can be done. But more to the point when you go stalking after a gobbling bird you have no idea if someone is there who you may be screwing up. As Jack said, moving to w/in 150 yards to call is a whole different ball game then trying to sneak into 30 yards. You're making a giant assumption that:
1. they will be calling
2. that you'll hear them calling if there are
3. that you can identify their call as NOT being a real hen
In respect to the stats that were stated I'm not convinced that they tell the whole story. While I'm sure the numbers are true do they truly measure what's being discussed? We're not claiming that turkey hunting is unsafe... we're claiming that stalking turkeys is unsafe. To a large degree it's an apples to orange comparison.
All I can say is for all of you who believe it is perfectly acceptable to stalk turkeys please just do some reading about the sport and its history. Try to get some more information from respected outside sources. You will see that overwhelming position is that stalking birds is a no no.
I too am done!
BTW.... Nice Bird - Congratulations.
Post by: Machias on April 18, 2008, 07:59:13 AM
Post by: MountainWalk on April 18, 2008, 08:18:48 AM
Post by: kirkl on April 18, 2008, 08:52:32 AM
Post by: MountainWalk on April 18, 2008, 09:11:08 AM
Post by: Machias on April 18, 2008, 02:34:43 PM
The Conservation Department has confirmed nine spring turkey hunting accidents this year. They ranged from a person who was struck in the nose by one shotgun pellet to a man who died of his injuries. One other accident is under investigation to determine whether it was related to turkey hunting. This year--as every year--most spring turkey hunting accidents occurred when a hunter mistook another person for a turkey.
"Missouri has so many turkeys, people sometimes take for granted that it's just them and the birds out there," said Rick Flint, hunter education program coordinator for the Conservation Department. "They let down their guard and shoot without waiting to see the entire bird and positively identify it. It's the most common turkey hunting error. There is no excuse for it."
Missouri has averaged approximately eight hunting accidents per spring turkey season over the last 10 years. In the previous decade, the average was 17 accidents per year. The worst year was 1986, when 29 people were injured and two died in spring turkey hunting accidents.
"Seeing accounts of hunting accidents in the news media, it's easy to forget how far we have come," said Flint. Before 1986, when hunter education became mandatory, our turkey hunting accident rate was twice what it is now." He said increased awareness of what causes hunting accidents has helped hunters be safer.
Turkey hunting in this state is really in it's infancy, there is no reason we should have to go through the same growing pains as other states. We can learn from other folk's misfortune. Good luck and be safe folks.
Post by: Outfitter on April 18, 2008, 03:25:28 PM
Post by: popeshawnpaul on April 18, 2008, 03:42:28 PM
I do like turkey hunting more though...
Post by: kirkl on April 18, 2008, 03:51:06 PM
Post by: Machias on April 18, 2008, 03:58:19 PM
Post by: Huntmossberg8 on April 19, 2008, 10:43:44 AM
Sweet mother of god.. :yike: .. so i don't get on for 3 days, and apparently I have started a word war. It took me 10 minutes to read through all the posts.
First off, let me say sorry, for not replying to anyone for this amount of time, but inbetween my 9 hour school day, and my 4 baseball games i played, i was out hunting. As much as a debate this has turned into i would like to say sorry, i need to be more clear on my story.
I would like to say i agree totally, that sneaking can be very dangerous, wether your attempting to sneak a tom, or a bugling bull, you never know when you might actually be coming on another hunter, or someone else who is hunting that same animal. :bdid:
Of the 8 birds i have killed, every single one of them have been called in, 4 bymy cousin, and 4 by me. Of any bird hunt i have been involved in, this was the first bird we ever had to get up and repostion to get the tom. We had the bird gobbling in the roost, he was with 1 hen, we watched them both fly down in plain site. They flew the opposit direction of where we were, but were on a logging road landing, a very nice green patch , we could see them just feeding. The tom was gobbling like crazy, answering to our calls, but did not want to leave his hen. So by 830 we decided, we would try and repostion ourselve on the otehr side of the birds. There was a quad trail that wraped around, so we backed out and went all the way around, and while we were walking down the quad trail towards the birds we saw them coming up the quad trail towards us about 80 yards away. So we sat down, and they walked right in, and i gave my cousin shot( i got first bird last year), he blasted the tom at about 40 yards.. Game over..... I apologize useing the word sneak, but we did manuever around the bird and cutt it off, didn't happen the ideal way, but it happend.
I understand, Machias, point of view totally, and i agree with it, it is stupid to attempt to sneak birds, or game, but there is a difference, between what you talk about on the computer, and what happends in the field, adrenline pumping, heart beating, you want the animal, what really happens.?.. Thank you for backing me up iceman, I am not attempting to tick anyone off, I just wanted to get the exact story of what happend out.
I would say i am safe, and ethical hunter, i abide by all the laws, but, i can't control what other people do, I hunt to the safest,a nd best of my abilitys, And though i am a 16 year old kid, and i know i still have more in this greatlifetime to learn, than i will. I also think i have a pretty good head on my shoulders, Top of my class, athlete,loving family,hard working, self supportive,and i know what i want in life. I love hunting, it is my true passion, I will live my life, to try and help conserve this way of life, so that future generations can continue to enjoy it.
I am happy to see everyones opinions, but know that is exactly waht they are opinions, take them or leave them, to each their own. Have the maturity, to respect that, and not get pissed off over the internet, because somebodys view is slightly different from yours.
I hope everyone has a great hunting season,and is safe out there in the woods, whether your on priviate property by yourself, or on public land with 20 other people, be safe, know your target, wahts beyond it. I am going hunting in the snow.
:twocents: Huntmossberg8
Post by: Intruder on April 19, 2008, 09:27:36 PM
Again... Congrats on the gobbler!!!
Post by: Machias on April 19, 2008, 09:45:40 PM
Post by: Outfitter on April 19, 2008, 10:19:23 PM
Post by: Huntmossberg8 on April 20, 2008, 12:30:40 AM
Thank you for your compliments everyone , and i do care how i sound when tlaking to fellow friends, and hunters.I owe much respect to everyone who has helped influence me and my life, that includes, everything i read on here from all of you respectible outdoorsmen.
I want no enemys on here, we are all in the same boat when it somes to the continution of our sport. I do like to her everyons opinion,the good, the "stick in the mud" ones :P and the ones in between. we need that balance. I again apologize, for not clarifing my story, but i am happy it happend the way it did, it is a very good discussion. I in no way feel that the discussion was being directed strait towardsme, it pretty much broke off into a total debate over the danger of sneaking, im actually kinda happy i could be involved in a discussion for once, i normally just sit the sidelines,a nd read and learn.lol :hello:
Personally I like to call, unless it is spooking the birds, but when Im calling that much and i got a decoy up, i sure as hell hope no one is sneaking my set up. It is dangerous for me and him.
Good Luck to all this season.. goodnight.
Post by: ICEMAN on April 20, 2008, 07:02:09 PM
I believe the lively discussion is good for the soul, and I am sure we all learn something about any of the issues that get tossed around on this site.
We got skunked this weekend. Froze our patookey's off too! Damned water in my backpack froze.