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Equipment & Gear => Power Equipment & RV => Topic started by: Bofire on December 20, 2010, 06:56:54 PM
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Over the years I have heard all kinda theory about this, especialy the right rear/left front idea. What is teh effect of posi-trac or a locker? :)
Carl
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Chain the front tires first. Have a spare for the back just for emergencies to get out.
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If and when i chain up i chain up all four that way i have no worries...
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I chain the fron, but thought about doing the LF/RR and seeing how it works out :dunno:
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I always just do the front tires. Never really needed to chain up all 4s. If I need to do all 4 I wont even go. :twocents:
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done both but go with the rear now after hearing what chains can do to the front in when they flap around in there...I try to avoid using them at all,Ill just drive where I dont have to worry..
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I usually chain the rear wheels because when towing a trailer i don't want the trailer pushing the rear end around.
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chaining opposite corners could be a good stuck w/o a limited slip and a broken arm with a front limited/locker. I broke a hub on my jeep and the wheel turned so friggin hard I was nearly looking for my fingers. do both on one axle or all. the front has a lot of stuff to tear up if the chain goses wonky......abs sensors and brake lines. rear end stuff is usually tucked in nicely.
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If I'm going to chain up at all, i will chain the back tires. The reason that i would do it this way is because i have the weight on the front end + i would be in 4 wheel drive.... I very rarely use chains at all... :twocents:
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If you only have 2 chains, chain up front first. That way you can still steer, front does a higher percentage of braking and you have more weight in the front with the engine. If you have open differentials, like most rigs do, and only chain up on one side (LF+RF or RF+RR) your unchained tire on the axle will spin when it loses traction. I use heavy duty chain tensioners to keep them from flapping and never had any problems.
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Its where your going not where you have been :chuckle: I chain all the way around if i think i need chains actually only used them a couple times shoulda used them more but they dont do well at a high RPM when your drift Bustn :chuckle:
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I always just do the front tires. Never really needed to chain up all 4s. If I need to do all 4 I wont even go. :twocents:
:yeah:
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always just the front two :yeah:
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I do believe that the law in Washington.. (really old law -if its even still on the books) Says to chain up the primary driven wheels.
What isn't specified in this poll is whether you're talking empty pickup truck or an SUV?
An SUV generally has better weight distribution across all four wheels.
Still, for anything with real 4x4 and driven rear wheels, the best to me is to chain the rear where the traction should be the worst -given that there's normally less weight on the axles there. Especially if you've got some sort of limited slip differential involved. LS works great if there's at least one point that actually has traction, otherwise, LS is like bringin ice to a snowstorm.
If you get stuck with chains in the rear, you have a chance to pull the chains and switch to front and still get out without help. You get stuck with chains in the front.. If you switch them to the lighter rear..Might not be able to get out without help.
If I have to chain up though.. (its got to be pretty nasty for me to chain up), I prefer all four. And yes.. I have four for the truck and SUV. If I'm towing, I've certainly got at least one chain on the forward axle of the trailer, (most likely both sides though) and the rear of the truck would be first, and if its really nasty out... I'll chain up the front of the truck too. No chains up front usually keeps speeds to what they should be, as four chains will usually give someone more 'courage' than they deserve unless they can restrain themselves.
Oh... One more reason NOT to chain up the fronts 'primarily'. Chains lead to some terrific traction that the rear won't have. Start spinnin AT ALL in a turn and grab traction, and you can kiss the front axle CV joints, Universal joints or yokes goodbye. I've snapped more than one weeker front axle/yoke/u-joint before I ever snapped a rear axle. Rear axles on 1/2 ton rigs hold weight. Fronts are on spindles. Rear axles on 3/4 tons don't support weight, and the fronts are still supported by spindles. This allows the axles in front to be 'weeker' than any of the rear ones. Toss in some leverage with a turn involved and some grabbed traction when things are spinning. BAMM!
Learn from my experience and save yourself some green in your wallet, some serious embarassment, and wrench turning in the cold.
If its bad enough to chain up.. Chain the rear.
-Steve
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I dont use chains, I just air down. If chains are required, I stay home cause that means that there are to many yahoo's on the road.
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Now where is the picture of that guy on the pass driving a Honda civic with the rear end chained up..... :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
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Now where is the picture of that guy on the pass driving a Honda civic with the rear end chained up..... :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
I was in Steven's Pass parking lot at the resort about 8 years ago. Saw a ford 250 spinning rear wheels and going deeper into the white stuff. I finally walked over to the guy and suggested he shift into 4 wheel. He said he was! I asked him if he'd turned his hubs. He looked at me like I had corn cobs growing out of my ears and asked, "What are my hubs!" I told him to showed him and then explained that he had to shift into two wheel again and then turn the hubs and then shift back into 4 wheel. Turned out this guy had never owned a 4x4 before and just bought the rig used for the ski season. He thanked me for my help. I never laughed or anything but it sure was a surprise to me that a fella would not know this. :dunno:
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Now where is the picture of that guy on the pass driving a Honda civic with the rear end chained up..... :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
:yike: :chuckle: :chuckle:
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Sometimes I have to chain up the log truck three or 4 times a day with 3 railers and If I have to chain up my pickup, I'm somewhere I don't need to be.
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I dont use chains, I just air down. If chains are required, I stay home cause that means that there are to many yahoo's on the road.
Yeah That.
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You can tell who drives in the snow and who doesn't by the answers.
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Nothing to do where u shouldnt be.. all about getting to where I need to hunt
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Chains in the front, weight in the back is a good combination.
Worked well in the Swakane after Thanksgiving.
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Thanks for the responses. I have always thought the RRear, Lfront was bogus, maybe in the old days when not everyone was Posi of some kind. I too have favored the front chain up if I needed chains but if terrible enough to need 4 wheel chains go home! :chuckle: But I understand the idea of doing the rear first also. Now days almost all 4X is some kind of posi or locker, or auto-hook-up?? of some kind. I do not mind driving in snow, but like last Sunday at 6:00am going from Yelm to Olympia the roads were a clear black ice, and foggy, SUCKED!!! lots of cars in the ditch.
Carl
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Chains in the front, weight in the back is a good combination.
Gotta disagree here. Going around a corner, downhill curves etc...I wouldn't want my front end to have X amount of more traction than the rear end. Front end chain bites in, rear doesn't...they may swap places..
I air down, assume everyone else will do something stupid and give myself room. I also carry 4 very mean looking ice bar sets of chains. Haven't needed them yet. 4Hi or 4Lo has been enough. Then again I drive the backwoods alone. I've had to clear small slides (always pack a shovel) to get out. I've also packed up to go home and found the only road out, inches wider than me, had gone from several inches of snow to a solid sheet of ice for several switchbacks down...
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Never had to use chains big truck, big(good)tires, When that stops working all I have ever had to do is air down and maybee some shoveling. At that point I am heading the way I came. But if I did chain up it would be the front.
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If I'm in my dodge diesel the back gets the chains, In my Jeep the front
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on a 4x4 chain front wheels.i.e front wheel drive vehicles are better in the snow then rear wheel same concept for 4x4.If you have to chain your 4x4 you are some place you need to turn around and get the hell out of, no hunt is worth anyones life!
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IF I chain up, rarely, it's only in the woods. Then it's the front. If I need chains on the highway, I don't go. Way too many idiots on the highway.
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but like last Sunday at 6:00am going from Yelm to Olympia the roads were a clear black ice, and foggy, SUCKED!!! lots of cars in the ditch.
It was like that here on Saturday evening. 3 hours of off and on wet snow then it froze on the highway. Slicker' N Snott! Wasn't bad when the sun came out in the morning.
-Steve
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I have two sets of link chains, custom fitted for my rig (hook goes into the end link, favor the outside of the tire, one bungee... done!)
I'll typically chain all 4 if I chain at all. I'll chain the rear first, but rarely do I drive on with only one set.
If I only had 1 set, I'd chain the front. I don't drive fast downhill, that's just dumb.
I almost never chain on the paved roads, no matter how bad the snow. 4x4, and go slow, not a problem. (Bridge ice, on the other hand... :DOH:.)
Above I'm talking about running FS roads for Cougar tracks!
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maybe some of you can give these guys some pointers?
UNCUT: Ice Rink On Spokane's South Hill; Vehicles Pile-up Crashing Down The Hill (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1ZpOORPbAo#ws)
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Why? I rather enjoy seeing that.... :chuckle:
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I was told that there were people at the top of the hill telling the idiots not to go down and that many people continued down the hill. I have watched it half a dozen times. I can't not watch it. It reminds me of my days in Pullman, watching all the ill prepared drivers from all over the country think they are perfectly capable of driving in the snow.
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I like the guy in the diesel truck at the end.... if in doubt, throttle it! :chuckle:
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I usually air down in deep snow, it's funny how so many people you see up in the hills don't realize how much difference it makes. I'll throw the chains for icy, roads with a chance of going off an edge. I usually just take chains and a Hi lift in case I get stuck.
always good to have :twocents:
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I carry 4. But....if I had two it would be the front two
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OMG, that was funny. :chuckle:
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Whacker, that vids priceless. Must be a great show every year
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The one guy in the black car actually did it right. Stayed off the brakes, steered into the skid, and was able to make it safely down the hill.
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I usually chain the rear wheels because when towing a trailer i don't want the trailer pushing the rear end around.
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maybe some of you can give these guys some pointers?
UNCUT: Ice Rink On Spokane's South Hill; Vehicles Pile-up Crashing Down The Hill (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1ZpOORPbAo#ws)
This happens every year on that hill. That thing is STEEP!!!!!!
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I've never needed chains until this year while elk hunting so I've decided to buy some. I didn't know that it's common to chain up the front tires and not the back if you only have two chains. That's interesting, I'm glad I saw this thread.
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I caryy four, but always the first set goes on the front end, if I end up stuck then I chain the rears, turn the truck around and park it and start walking to wherever it is I was trying to go. If you chain up all four and get stuck, it's a fair bet you will be stuck for a good long time.
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The one guy in the black car actually did it right. Stayed off the brakes, steered into the skid, and was able to make it safely down the hill.
That was awsome lets just keep the brakes locked up and hope we stop. ha ha ha
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Chains provide some amaxing traction! I almost always just chain the fronts. I keep some for the rear, but can count on one hand how many times I've needed them.
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We had all 4 chained up one year while elk hunting the Manastash. One of the cross chains broke on the outside where it joins the side chain. The cross chain wrapped around the exhaust pipe of the Jeep and proceeded to rip the tail pipe and muffler off. We had to hack saw it all out. That was one loud ride into Ellensburg to get a new muffler. :chuckle:
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We had all 4 chained up one year while elk hunting the Manastash. One of the cross chains broke on the outside where it joins the side chain. The cross chain wrapped around the exhaust pipe of the Jeep and proceeded to rip the tail pipe and muffler off. We had to hack saw it all out. That was one loud ride into Ellensburg to get a new muffler. :chuckle:
Bad stuff can and will happen when chains are used. They are metal and wear down and break, so reinspect often. Or just know that you run the risk of breaking a chain at some point. Chains will also take you places you shouldn't probably be, so park cautiously when in deep snow or in icy conditions. Best to pointing down hill in your intended direction when parking should conditions worsen when you are away from the vehicle.
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I was told that there were people at the top of the hill telling the idiots not to go down and that many people continued down the hill. I have watched it half a dozen times. I can't not watch it. It reminds me of my days in Pullman, watching all the ill prepared drivers from all over the country think they are perfectly capable of driving in the snow.
No kidding... I was in Gannon Hall with a commanding view of the morons on Stadium way.... Girly friends windows faced it too from Mcallister Hall.... Lots of fun watching the cars and students wiping out....
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I was told that there were people at the top of the hill telling the idiots not to go down and that many people continued down the hill. I have watched it half a dozen times. I can't not watch it. It reminds me of my days in Pullman, watching all the ill prepared drivers from all over the country think they are perfectly capable of driving in the snow.
No kidding... I was in Gannon Hall with a commanding view of the morons on Stadium way.... Girly friends windows faced it too from Mcallister Hall.... Lots of fun watching the cars and students wiping out....
I was on the 10th floor of Stevenson North facing the stop light at Stadium way and the Moscow Pullman Highway. I sat there for 3 hours one day watching small collision after small collision. I couldn't look away. absolutely mesmerized by the mayhem
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I'm wondering if some of you guys are crazy or just lucky! No tire store will only put snow tires on the front of ANY car or truck, it is flat dangerous to do so as it makes the car much more likely to spin out. Chains would be just that much worse, the only saving grace I can see for most guys here is that they are in 4wd when doing this. Chain the back or all 4, chaining a fwd car up front only can be an exciting experience going down hills.
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I'm not from california there for i have the ability to drive in the snow AND rain! FC you are correct but you wont be going 50mph down the road like you would with 2 snow tires on the front....
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They used to stud 2 tires for MANY years. Part of that was business. Make it mandatory to do 4 and you automatically sell twice as many tires and have twice as many mount and balances. :chuckle:
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This is an interesting thread. Bone is right, I can remember getting snow tires on and if it was RWD, they went on the back and if it was FWD they went o the rear. My brother in-law Ice races in Alaska, every Saturday night they drill holes in the ice to flood the lake so they will have a smooth surface the next morning. Guess which tires they stud? Yep, the front, why? because it gives them the ability to steer while they race around the ice. If I only have two chains and Im in the pick-up, they go on the front, but like I said before, I've never needed chains when driving in the snow. My brother in-law says they are only for those who dont know how to drive.
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I always just do the front tires. Never really needed to chain up all 4s. If I need to do all 4 I wont even go. :twocents:
Unless you are IN there when it DUMPS...and all 4 is required to get OUT.
I just chain up all 4 if its needed...keeps things from sliding about. :twocents:
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They used to stud 2 tires for MANY years. Part of that was business. Make it mandatory to do 4 and you automatically sell twice as many tires and have twice as many mount and balances. :chuckle:
I'm aware of this and thought the same at one point but the truth of it is that independent studies have shown what I said to be true and tire stores get tired of being sued after a while.
As for me not going 50 mph? That is where people get into the most danger with snow tires on the front only, turning or stopping is where they lose the ass-end of their car. I take my time in the snow and leave myself as much room as I can.
Racing on ice...Are we really comparing that to a street application?!?!?! I am betting it's a circle or oval track to where they are drifting the rear of the car...right? That type of driving is completely different than street driving in the snow and ice.
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Ok here is a stupid question. For the people that air down, Do you have a onboard compressor to air back up? Or do you just wait tell you get to a gas station to get air?
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Still an interesting thread. Another question for you all, do you chain up in the deep snow or just on the compacted snow and Ice? In my experience chaining up in the snow just got you deeper into trouble.
Ok here is a stupid question. For the people that air down, Do you have a onboard compressor to air back up? Or do you just wait tell you get to a gas station to get air?
I have on-board air, but before I built the system I would just wait till I gas to a gas station or home
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Ok here is a stupid question. For the people that air down, Do you have a onboard compressor to air back up? Or do you just wait tell you get to a gas station to get air?
I wait till I get to a gas station or home to air them back up, I have a friend who converted his AC pump to an on demand air compressor for wheelin'. Pretty slick setup but you had to manually add ester oil on a frequent basis.
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Still an interesting thread. Another question for you all, do you chain up in the deep snow or just on the compacted snow and Ice? In my experience chaining up in the snow just got me deeper into trouble.
I've actually never chained up a 4wd in the snow.
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I usually only just chain up the spare....that way when I need real super duper traction I put it in 5 wheel drive. :chuckle:
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I usually only just chain up the spare....that way when I need real super duper traction I put it in 5 wheel drive. :chuckle:
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I've actually never chained up a 4wd in the snow.
Good thing you are on here offering advice then. :chuckle:
I tend to chain up when I am stuck, then go home. I have found that chaining up before hand is a good way to get yourself into serious trouble. There are a few places where that doesn't hold true, like the Swakane for instance during late season.
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I tend to chain up when I am stuck, then go home. I have found that chaining up before hand is a good way to get yourself into serious trouble. There are a few places where that doesn't hold true, like the Swakane for instance during late season.
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Depends on the snow and road conditions. Sometimes I have chained up after I started spinning. Sometimes before if the road looked icy or someone tore it up by spinning all the way up. Better to idle on the side of caution if you think theres a chance of sliding. I have been in Montana where all fours were chained up and the snow was comming over the hood but that was in dry powder. I know we have all had those pucker moments where you pulled that seat cushion in your arse do to a sticky situation. :chuckle:
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Ok here is a stupid question. For the people that air down, Do you have a onboard compressor to air back up? Or do you just wait tell you get to a gas station to get air?
I wait till I get to a gas station or home to air them back up, I have a friend who converted his AC pump to an on demand air compressor for wheelin'. Pretty slick setup but you had to manually add ester oil on a frequent basis.
Why not just buy an inexpensive pump that plugs in to your cigarette lighter?
Because they are cheap, I carry two of the things..... Never had one break yet, yet.
As far as chaining up, you chain up when you have to...... So do you want to be in that predicament with elcheapo chains and maybe only one pair? I recommend everyone take the time and cash to get the welded V-bar type heavy chains. Get two pairs and you will sleep better at camp knowing they are in the truck... Don't forget to get a whole bunch of snubbers, bungies, or even paracord to lash them tight and save your fenders....
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BTW if anyones looking for them I have really good chains from NAPA 33x1250 x 16.5 for sale for 50 bucks 1 set only
Will post on classified and CL
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BTW if anyones looking for them I have really good chains from NAPA 33x1250 x 16.5 for sale for 50 bucks 1 set only
Will post on classified and CL
I see that you said 33's I curently pack my old mans with me do you know if they will fit on 35's
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When I'm going nothing but higher, and there's already snow, I chain up so I don't have to later. In some places here, a slip can be extremely bad... one ditch is 3ft deep, but the other is 1,000 ft deep! If I'm already in 6" of snow before I hit the FS road, I'm going to run chains all day long... That's why mine are custom fitted and they fit tight.
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up to a foot or so of snow is fun to drive around in, no chains. that few day old packed down a few inches think so slick you have to be careful to walk on, you stop your truck and it keeps sliding to the low spot, and you HAVE to drive, 4 wheel chains are great but I drive in fear of one coming loose. Only times I chained just the rear was pulling my trailer into or out of elk camp some steep hills and snow but with the trailer tongue weight it has to b e pretty bad.
thanks for all your comments
Carl
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Ok here is a stupid question. For the people that air down, Do you have a onboard compressor to air back up? Or do you just wait tell you get to a gas station to get air?
I wait till I get to a gas station or home to air them back up, I have a friend who converted his AC pump to an on demand air compressor for wheelin'. Pretty slick setup but you had to manually add ester oil on a frequent basis.
Why not just buy an inexpensive pump that plugs in to your cigarette lighter?
Because they are cheap, I carry two of the things..... Never had one break yet, yet.
As far as chaining up, you chain up when you have to...... So do you want to be in that predicament with elcheapo chains and maybe only one pair? I recommend everyone take the time and cash to get the welded V-bar type heavy chains. Get two pairs and you will sleep better at camp knowing they are in the truck... Don't forget to get a whole bunch of snubbers, bungies, or even paracord to lash them tight and save your fenders....
I’ve burnt up a cheap 12v pump or two. I always carry one but I also try not to go too low on pressure. I drive my Tacoma to the mountains so I can get by in the upper single digits but I try to keep It around 10-15 just so I can run around on pavement too.
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Ok here is a stupid question. For the people that air down, Do you have a onboard compressor to air back up? Or do you just wait tell you get to a gas station to get air?
Yes, air line connection is on the PacBrake system for my exhaust brake.
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When I'm going nothing but higher, and there's already snow, I chain up so I don't have to later. In some places here, a slip can be extremely bad... one ditch is 3ft deep, but the other is 1,000 ft deep! If I'm already in 6" of snow before I hit the FS road, I'm going to run chains all day long... That's why mine are custom fitted and they fit tight.
I like that bit about the 1000 foot ditch. One reason I carry chains. A 3 foot ditch? Slid into one with a friend and spent the night (78 Ford Maverick...lol) built an 'on ramp' in the morning to get out. A good point has been made here I'm glad I saw it. "If I have to chain up my 4WD I'm some place I shouldn't be" Food for thought. Also I'm reminded to replace my portable Jump Starter/Air compressor.
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Lowering air pressure is usually harder on the tires for fullsize rigs than smaller trucks...the carrying capacity of a 33in tire even at 10psi is sufficient in cold weather for most compact trucks... For a full size with all kinds of crap in it your gona have to be more careful...
My 33in BFG LR C has a capacity of 2500lbs a tire at 50psi the scale weight of my S-10 is 3500lbs... I normally run them at 30lbs on pavement and could go a low as 15 in the winter time an have no problems with the tire, just might not handle so nice... The scale weight on my Dodge is about 7000lbs the same tire is going to have a harder time supporting the truck aired down.... Now many of you would say that a full size is gona have a LR for D or E so they are not comparable... higher Load Rating mostly come from more air pressure... "Max" air pressure on the LR C is 50.... on a LR D or E is about 80lbs...
Off road equiptment tires have an air-speed-weight table so that you can meet each kind of tire to its best combination for wear & traction... Manufacturers don't produce one for auto stuff because they don't want the added liability of helping you "refine" your ride on the tires.. :twocents:
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I'll only own 4wd/awd vehicles for the rest of my life.
I'm by no means an expert here but I haven't really read anyone say its better to chain up less. Sure, another pair of chains will double your cost and take longer to put on and take off. Then there's the space you need to dry them out back at home and the wd40 to spray on after. That all being said, isn't a little more cost and effort worth the extra traction?
+1 about the 1,000 foot ditch fears. 42,000 Americans die in vehicle accidents every year. I'm sure that sliding off a USFS road in the snow is a small % of that number, but a small % of a big # is still a big #. :twocents:
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Ok here is a stupid question. For the people that air down, Do you have a onboard compressor to air back up? Or do you just wait tell you get to a gas station to get air?
I carry a 12 volt compressor. I have used it several times to air myself and others back up no probs. However I am considering putting onboard air on the truck. I have driven the truck aired down to get air from a service station. I just depends on the situation. And if I can safely drive it to a local service station.
I have 4 chains for my fullsize truck and they do help dramatically in the snow and ice. I only ran them in the rear. I haven't done allot of experimenting with air in my 7500lb Dodge. I will just take my cheap compared to the Dodge, Toyota w/31s drop the air down to about 4-6lbs in rear and 6-8lbs in front and go anywhere I please easily. I have been considering studding all four tires on the Toyota with about two the three times more studs than normal I have a stud machine in the shop. aired down+studs :IBCOOL:.
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Special T, great points about vehicle weight and tire pressure.
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I bought chains the day I picked my new truck up from teh dealer Ice. I did it when I was at Schwabs getting a 2 inch leveler lift to make sure the chains would fit the front end without ripping out the inside.. I get in some hairy crap up in the NE corner and I carry them all year around. So far still in the bags. I actually decided not to go out this year when I normally would have. Growing up I guess. :)
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Whats the matter, don't like crawlin in the snow as much anymore? :chuckle:
Atleast you east siders are usually chaining up in dry snow. Us wetsiders are chaining up in slush.... :'(
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If you figure the cost of 4 used link chains is about $100 or $200 new its pretty cheep insurance to get to and from.... For some of you guys who have BIG tires many off roaders cut down semi truck chains to fit thier rig.... My bro has semi truck chains for his 35x12.5x18 that are on his ranger... chopped down and a couple of beefy bungie cords per wheel and your good to go...
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Ok here is a stupid question. For the people that air down, Do you have a onboard compressor to air back up? Or do you just wait tell you get to a gas station to get air?
I had on-board air in my Toyota. Had the compressor mounted under the hood, and a 2.5 gallon reserve tank mounted under the bed, so the compressor could take breaks. If you do get on-board air, make sure you get a 100% duty cycle compressor or you will end up burning it up if you aren't careful. I think the lowest I went in the snow with my toy on 35's was 6lbs all the way around.
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If you figure the cost of 4 used link chains is about $100 or $200 new its pretty cheep insurance to get to and from.... For some of you guys who have BIG tires many off roaders cut down semi truck chains to fit thier rig.... My bro has semi truck chains for his 35x12.5x18 that are on his ranger... chopped down and a couple of beefy bungie cords per wheel and your good to go...
Heck yeah, we picked up about four big rig chains along the highway and made a set for my dads tractor..... can't beat free...
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I've actually never chained up a 4wd in the snow.
Good thing you are on here offering advice then. :chuckle:
If I think I am going to get stuck worse than a shovel can get me out of I turn around. :P As far as the advice goes? It comes from years of working on cars and understanding how they work, anytime you give the front end more traction/control than the back you are asking for trouble but a 4wd will cover for some of that since you have power to both ends, I would chain the rear, all 4 or none. The most I've done for any 4wd I owned was air down and I no longer own any chains for trucks having never needed them when I did own them.
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Yeah, but....
Chains can be used in wet muddy conditions as well, and you can help save someone else who is in a ditch in a muddy condition, by putting chains on their rig, or yours. So I would still argue that everyone in the backcountry should carry chains....
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Yeah, but....
Chains can be used in wet muddy conditions as well, and you can help save someone else who is in a ditch in a muddy condition, by putting chains on their rig, or yours. So I would still argue that everyone in the backcountry should carry chains....
I've actually been thinking of getting another set for mine just for those reasons. Chains are amazing in clay and nasty slimy stuff like that.
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Yeah, but....
Chains can be used in wet muddy conditions as well, and you can help save someone else who is in a ditch in a muddy condition, by putting chains on their rig, or yours. So I would still argue that everyone in the backcountry should carry chains....
Yeah That.
And it only takes once.....
Or in my case a couple of times to learn my lesson. I used my chains twice now. Once to turn around on some ice on a sloped intersection. and last year when I almost got stuck in the melting snow when bear hunting last spring. glad I had them both times. Oh Yeah. Those brand new chains have been riding around with me for 8 years - unused until last year.
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I run 0 psi in my Samurai when I am out wheeling in the snow and have many times driven on over 4' of snow. THis jeep and Zuk are sitting on about 3.5' foot of snow.
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didn't vote- I grew up i Mich. where chains are illegal. Imagine that in snow country. I have had a few sets for 2 wheel drive cars but never for my 4x4. While chains do give more traction- they reccommend not going over certain speeds when they are on, I just don't like that restriction. :chuckle:
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I carry chains for all 4. But I have found if I buy aggressive enough tires every year, I rarely have to chain up.
To answer the poll I'd put chains on front first if I only had one set, especailly if out hunting in deep snow. That is usually the holdup, the front tires digging their way through the snow. :twocents:
Jack is correct, it's harder than hell on the front cv's, I have to replace them all the time because I put so many miles on in 4x4 lock. One of the reasons I recently went back to a straight axle front end. :twocents:
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Ok here is a stupid question. For the people that air down, Do you have a onboard compressor to air back up? Or do you just wait tell you get to a gas station to get air?
Yes, air line connection is on the PacBrake system for my exhaust brake.
Have you ever tried filling a tire with your Pacbrake?
If you haven't,be aware that it takes FOREVER to air up a tire. I had to fill the 34" tire on my Dodge last hunting season. It took about 20 minutes just to put enough air in it to get to town and have it patched.
My Pacbrake is cool for airbags,and soccer balls,but there are much better compressors for airing tires up.
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I have onboard air on the Jeep. It is a converted York AC compressor. It puts out enough air to run a ½" impact gun, and air a 35" tire up from 5psi to 25psi in about a minute. I have a 7 gallon air tank behind the rear seat.
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I have onboard air on the Jeep. It is a converted York AC compressor. It puts out enough air to run a ½" impact gun, and air a 35" tire up from 5psi to 25psi in about a minute. I have a 7 gallon air tank behind the rear seat.
That is the same compressor I would use for onboard air. They have there own oil supply so no need to oil the intake air.
I will throw in a vote for semi truck chains for 35 12.50 tires that is exactly what I used for my Dodge they are easy to make fit and usually a very tough chain. I might be wrong on this but I was under the impression that the trucks have to replace there chains at a certain interval. If this is right there is potential for a very cheap set of chains if you know a semi operator.
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I've always chained the back first, just because I know how much beefier it's built and I hate tearing up front ends. I do hunt with 4 chains, just because I'd rather have them than wish I did. But it's been forever since I needed more than chains on the rear end.
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I've always chained the back first, just because I know how much beefier it's built and I hate tearing up front ends. I do hunt with 4 chains, just because I'd rather have them than wish I did. But it's been forever since I needed more than chains on the rear end.
:yeah:
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I have to say i chain the rear. My truck goes much better when I chain the rear it doesn't try to swap ended. Other question that should be asked are what type of chain are people using quick chains, normal chains, or v-bar chains. I run 2 sets of v -bar so if I am stuck call a crane to save me. The curse of a diesel truck.