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Big Game Hunting => Bow Hunting => Topic started by: Machias on December 21, 2010, 11:03:50 PM

Title: M2D's Livin' The Dream Show
Post by: Machias on December 21, 2010, 11:03:50 PM: Anyone watch tonight's show? Supposedly a archery deer hunt in WA. Both deer, a doe and a nice buck, killed with lumenocks. I thought those were illegal here?? :dunno:
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Post by: carpsniperg2 on December 21, 2010, 11:13:33 PM: Didn't see the show, but yes they are illegal here.
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Post by: Machias on December 21, 2010, 11:16:47 PM: I know!
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Post by: carpsniperg2 on December 21, 2010, 11:23:50 PM: I thought you were asking, when you said."I thought those were illegal here??" :chuckle:
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Post by: sakoshooter on December 22, 2010, 01:10:22 AM: How is it that they could use them here in WA if they are illegal?
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Post by: NoBark on December 22, 2010, 10:41:36 AM: By either not reading the regs, or simply ignoring them. Or, it really wasn't Washington?????
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Post by: STIKNSTRINGBOW on December 22, 2010, 10:49:49 AM: As far as I know, the show is put on by a guy that lives in Washington, they probably were hunting somewhere else ? :dunno:, or they are pretty :P and should expect a visit from enforcement officers.....
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Post by: Tony on December 22, 2010, 10:53:51 AM: A while back i saw a bear hunt out by the coast that they hunted over bait with an outfitter and i believe they were natives is that legal for them and if so could the lumenocks be legal for them in places?
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Post by: bearhunter99 on December 22, 2010, 11:00:20 AM: Quote from: Tony on December 22, 2010, 10:53:51 AM
A while back i saw a bear hunt out by the coast that they hunted over bait with an outfitter and i believe they were natives is that legal for them and if so could the lumenocks be legal for them in places?

That's a good question, since they can bait on the reservation they can probably use lumenocks. I wonder if a white guy could use lumenocks if they hunted the Quinalt bear hunts?
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Post by: Machias on December 22, 2010, 12:00:36 PM: The show's title was deering hunting in WA. :dunno:
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Post by: Button Nubbs on December 22, 2010, 12:02:15 PM: I believe you can use whatever you want bearhunter. Lumenocks, mechanicals, lighted sights, ect. As long as its ok with the tribe. Could be wrong tho.
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Post by: alwinearcher on December 22, 2010, 12:50:41 PM: Quote from: Button Nubbs on December 22, 2010, 12:02:15 PM
I believe you can use whatever you want bearhunter. Lumenocks, mechanicals, lighted sights, ect. As long as its ok with the tribe. Could be wrong tho.

That is correct. On the res it is all up to the tribe.
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Post by: tlbradford on December 22, 2010, 01:02:54 PM: Most of the leases that the owner works are in Idaho. Maybe they were there?
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Post by: jackelope on December 22, 2010, 01:10:29 PM: Quote from: sakoshooter on December 22, 2010, 01:10:22 AM
How is it that they could use them here in WA if they are illegal?

I think thats the point of the thread.
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Post by: kennedy244 on December 23, 2010, 07:33:01 AM: I saw the show also, and they did say they were hunting washington. WTF
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Post by: jackelope on December 23, 2010, 01:11:56 PM: It's apparently not a Lumenok.

More to follow....
Stay tuned.
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Post by: Buckmark on December 23, 2010, 01:17:40 PM: Oh, goodie, more drama.......
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Post by: washelkhntr on December 23, 2010, 01:20:09 PM: :chuckle: :chuckle:
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Post by: jackelope on December 23, 2010, 01:22:27 PM: I emailed them and asked about it. They emailed me back with a response. I asked for the OK to post the response and was granted.

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JB,

Thanks for the email. We were not hunting on a reservation and yes we know that Lumenoks and all other electronic devices on a bow are illegal. Not only in WA but also in many other western states. We do not break laws in the states we hunt in. We would be pretty stupid to show a lumenok being shot on a National TV show. That being said, we are big supporters of Lumenok and think they should be legal in all 50 states and Canada, we try to show them in all legal states and in states like WA we edit in a tracer type effect to appear to be shooting them. This effect helps our viewer see the arrow in flight and also allows us to support a sponsor and raise awareness and controversy about the Lumenok.

I wish every bow hunter in all western states would stand up for Lumenoks. Only an uninformed person would argue that they help any hunter in aiding to harvest an animal. They in no way shape or form do that. They do however help the hunter find their arrow, which is a good indicator of where your target was hit. This information allows you to look at your arrow and make a better decision about how soon to trail an animal. The Lumenok is a valuable tool in helping the hunter find his animal. It is unfortunate that some states like WA can not see the error in their umbrella law on electronics.

Another follow up....

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I have no problem with you posting my reply as I can see how you and others would think that. We love the way that you can follow the arrow and we started doing that this year on another two shows we did. We go the idea from the hockey puck on TV.

:dunno:
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Post by: washelkhntr on December 23, 2010, 01:25:03 PM: Interesting. . . edited in tracer ? Sounds fishy to me.
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Post by: carpsniperg2 on December 23, 2010, 01:48:24 PM: Thanks for taking the time to post that jackelope, and to write them. Very intresting read. I am not sure of what to think about it. I am sure, that someone good at editing could tell us, if this could be done or not. I would think after the arrows hits the animal. It would be really easy to tell if it was a edit job or a real lumenok. I have watched there shows a few times. I did not see this one. But from the shows i have watched, there production value does not seem to be the highest around. I find it hard to think, that type of quality editing would be done on that show. Just my :twocents: hope someone who knows editing better could fill us in more.
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Post by: grundy53 on December 23, 2010, 02:09:55 PM: sound's legit to me. I'll give them the benefit of the doubt.
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Post by: jackelope on December 23, 2010, 02:11:25 PM: The guys from that show are also all from Washington FYI.
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Post by: Machias on December 23, 2010, 03:55:20 PM: Well cool for e-mailing them. :tup: I will say the buck down with the arrow sticking out looked staged, so I could see that part being edited, but why would they say we are bowhunting in WA and then show lumenoks without letting viewers know? :dunno: Someone watching the show would be like heck I thought they were legal, I seen it on a TV show. I know that's no excuse, just seems a disservice to their veiwers. I'm not a big fan of the show, but watched when I saw it was bowhunting deer in WA. Thanks for getting to the bottom of it.....
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Post by: WCTaxidermy on December 23, 2010, 04:12:08 PM: What time and channel is the show? John
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Post by: turkeyfeather on December 23, 2010, 06:14:32 PM: I think if they truly new that they were illegal then they should have put some sort of disclaimer on the bottom of the screen saying that the tracer was edited in. This would have taken care of any doubt. On a another note I was talking to my sisters neighbor who happens to work for f&g and told me that in the 2012 season Lumenoks will be legal.
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Post by: sakoshooter on December 23, 2010, 06:31:46 PM: Quote from: washelkhntr on December 23, 2010, 01:25:03 PM
Interesting. . . edited in tracer ? Sounds fishy to me.

X2
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Post by: Button Nubbs on December 23, 2010, 07:02:37 PM: X3. I think they're just trying to cover their a$$ so they don't end up busted like the nuge.
Title: Re: M2D's Livin' The Dream Show
Post by: Machias on December 23, 2010, 07:03:37 PM: I think I'm going to videotape me killing a bear over bait next year here in WA. Not really, I'll edit it in the bait pile afterwards, you know because I think we should all be able to bear bait. :chuckle:
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Post by: dscubame on December 23, 2010, 09:35:22 PM: There is no issue here but apparently some in this forum community are set on creating one. Sparky and his guys are a great, ethical, and fantastic Washington based team, to bad this may scar the forum for all of us.
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Post by: tlbradford on December 23, 2010, 10:57:20 PM: Well I have heard otherwise, but I can believe that they could add the tracer effect easy enough.
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Post by: Machias on December 23, 2010, 11:19:24 PM: Quote from: dscubame on December 23, 2010, 09:35:22 PM
There is no issue here but apparently some in this forum community are set on creating one. Sparky and his guys are a great, ethical, and fantastic Washington based team, to bad this may scar the forum for all of us.

How do you figure there is no issue. A show, proportedly filmed in WA, using illegal items or special affects that make it appear to be using illegal equipment, is not an issue? Scar the forum for all of us?? :dunno: As far as I can see this is not much difference then the guy strapping a flashlight on his stabalizer.
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Post by: JCClement on December 23, 2010, 11:29:04 PM: "As far as I can see this is not much difference then the guy strapping a flashlight on his stabalizer"

I guess I will take the surefire off my bow now.... :chuckle:
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Post by: Machias on December 23, 2010, 11:39:59 PM: :chuckle: Just don't do a TV show or post photos on HuntWA and you "should" be ok.
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Post by: dscubame on December 24, 2010, 08:23:41 AM: Quote from: Machias on December 23, 2010, 11:19:24 PM
Quote from: dscubame on December 23, 2010, 09:35:22 PM
There is no issue here but apparently some in this forum community are set on creating one. Sparky and his guys are a great, ethical, and fantastic Washington based team, to bad this may scar the forum for all of us.

How do you figure there is no issue. A show, proportedly filmed in WA, using illegal items or special affects that make it appear to be using illegal equipment, is not an issue? Scar the forum for all of us?? :dunno: As far as I can see this is not much difference then the guy strapping a flashlight on his stabalizer.

There has been no illegal activity as stated numerous times, rather it is just being made up by this thread and people like you! I thought more of you until now Machias your just being ridiculous.
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Post by: Gutpile on December 24, 2010, 08:34:41 AM: I'm surprised so many of you really think something is going on here. I think that it's completely plausible to edit in the tracer It's probably pretty easy.

If someone posts a really big deer it's definately photoshopped because "anybody with a pc can do that". But for a professional to add a tracer is impossible? Really? I rarely watch bowhunting shows but when I do I like to see the impact to see where it was hit. Sounds like a great idea to me. :dunno:
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Post by: jackelope on December 24, 2010, 08:35:56 AM: While I agree with Sparky's opinions on Lumenoks, I don't agree with or understand the need to edit in the Lumenok look. I feel it is being done for the sponsors and with all the people watching the show, I don't feel it's worth portraying illegal hardware without some sort of disclaimer stating it's an edit job.
Machias, I still respect your opinions. ;)
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Post by: jackelope on December 24, 2010, 08:36:57 AM: Quote from: Gutpile on December 24, 2010, 08:34:41 AM
I'm surprised so many of you really think something is going on here. I think that it's completely plausible to edit in the tracer It's probably pretty easy.

I don't have any issue believing thats what they did, what I don't understand is why. I suspect it was solely for the sponsors.
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Post by: Drifterat on December 24, 2010, 08:41:28 AM: I havn't seen the show that's being discussed here, but do believe with the editing software today that it is possible to edit in a tracer into an arrows flight.
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Post by: boneaddict on December 24, 2010, 08:46:14 AM: There are ten other threads regarding that topic. Lets not turn this into one too.
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Post by: Machias on December 24, 2010, 08:54:52 AM: Well damn now I'm going to lose some sleep. 8) You know a 30 second blurb at the beginning of their show would go along way, you know like "Hey folks we think lumenoks should be legal, but they are not here in my home state. Here is the arrow flight without lumenok and here we've edited it in, see how much easier it is to see the path of the arrow flight!". Lots of guys were quick to jump on ol Ted Nugent for putting something on his show that was illegal, i.e. baiting deer. Sorry, if I watch a show and the guy is doing something that appears illegal and then he comes out and says oh no don't watch this hand, watch this hand, it has the quarter in it. Just because some guy I don't know says no I didn't do anything wrong I just did something....I don't know puzzling, does not mean I just accept it. Kind of scratching my head that you guys are quick to jump on one guy and give another guy a pass because he's doing something or appears to be doing something you wish was legal. I'm perplexed by that.
Title: Re: M2D's Livin' The Dream Show
Post by: Machias on December 24, 2010, 08:56:24 AM: Quote from: jackelope on December 24, 2010, 08:36:57 AM
Quote from: Gutpile on December 24, 2010, 08:34:41 AM
I'm surprised so many of you really think something is going on here. I think that it's completely plausible to edit in the tracer It's probably pretty easy.

I don't have any issue believing thats what they did, what I don't understand is why. I suspect it was solely for the sponsors.

:yeah:
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Post by: bigpaw 77 on December 24, 2010, 09:45:54 PM: I just watched the show and I actually posted a thread about this because I did not see this one. Not only was there a tracer from the illuminock on the shot to the doe, but when they showed the buck laying dead the arrow sticking out of it had an illuminock on the arrow. It just seems dumb to edit your show to make it look like your doing illegal stuff. Since some people on here have suggested that they didn't use illuminocks but edited it to look that way.
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Post by: NoBark on December 26, 2010, 05:52:52 PM: Doesn't matter what hunting sport you choose, Hunting shows, sponsorships and money have made
people do stupid and sometimes illegal stuff. Those dollar signs really test a man's ethics. Some stand
strong, some fail. Congrats to those who stand strong.
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Post by: JCClement on December 26, 2010, 06:15:08 PM: Quote from: NoBark on December 26, 2010, 05:52:52 PM
Doesn't matter what hunting sport you choose, Hunting shows, sponsorships and money have made
people do stupid and sometimes illegal stuff. Those dollar signs really test a man's ethics. Some stand
strong, some fail. Congrats to those who stand strong.

:yeah: