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Equipment & Gear => Guns and Ammo => Topic started by: Gutpile on December 23, 2010, 08:27:17 AM
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Whats an SPS?I know it means "Special Purpose Synthetic" but that tells me nothing. Anybody know what the difference is between this and just a synthetic 700? Is there a difference?
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Heavy barrel I think is one difference think the stocks are different too.
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I'll take a stab-- I think the SPS's are the heavy barrel models. My .17 Fireball 700 is a heavy barrel/synthetic stock SPS. My .22-250 is the triangle shaped barrel VTR. with syn. stock. I only shoot the .17 Furby from a bench for ground squirrels. Too heavy for carry.
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Thats the SPS Tactical. The plain old SPS doesn't have a heavy barrel
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Hmmm... Maybe the .17 Cal. hole is so small it just looks like a heavy barrel. All I know is that sucker is heavy. Accurate, but heavy.
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I think its just a new name for their synthetic rifles :dunno: kinda like bdl adl cdl.....just a sps :dunno:
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Thats kind of what I'm thinking. I was just scared it's a new name for a 710 since they discontinued that p.o.s. :dunno:
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I think the remodeled 710 is called 770
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I believe the sps came in different styles like tactical, varmit and even a normal barrel.
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I think the remodeled 710 is called 770
I think your right.
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I believe the sps came in different styles like tactical, varmit and even a normal barrel.
It does.
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SPS is the successor line to the ADL. Their current entry-level M700. Many different configurations. It is a REAL M700, though, not a reborn 710.
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SPS is the successor line to the ADL. Their current entry-level M700. Many different configurations. It is a REAL M700, though, not a reborn 710.
Thats what I was wondering. Thanks. The price difference between the SPS and the BDL is significant, thats why I asked. Probably the high sheen and nice wood on the BDL makes the difference.
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A friend of mine bought a 7mm rum in bdl and I bought one in the sps. Same barrel 26 inch, differences are trigger, stock obviously, and finish all the sps's I have seen are matte black. The stock on the sps sucks it sits tight against the barrel if you tried to float the barrel the stock would just crack, it can't hold without the support on the for end from the barrel.
I figured with the money I saved on the sps vs Bdl I could buy a good stock and trigger and have a more personalized M700 for about the same price.
By the way my friend and I use the same load/bullet combo and both guns perform very close in group size. Even with the crap stock on the sps.
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Out of curiosity I went to the Remington.com website. The number of 700 variations is mind-boggling! Evidently, my .17 Fireball is the varmint SPS with a heavy contour barrel. I'd go open the safe and look if I wasn't so lazy. :sry:
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Out of curiosity I went to the Remington.com website. The number of 700 variations is mind-boggling! Evidently, my .17 Fireball is the varmint SPS with a heavy contour barrel. I'd go open the safe and look if I wasn't so lazy. :sry:
I know and half of them, if not more are discontinued. Remington drives me crazy.
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A friend of mine bought a 7mm rum in bdl and I bought one in the sps. Same barrel 26 inch, differences are trigger, stock obviously, and finish all the sps's I have seen are matte black. The stock on the sps sucks it sits tight against the barrel if you tried to float the barrel the stock would just crack, it can't hold without the support on the for end from the barrel.
I figured with the money I saved on the sps vs Bdl I could buy a good stock and trigger and have a more personalized M700 for about the same price.
By the way my friend and I use the same load/bullet combo and both guns perform very close in group size. Even with the crap stock on the sps.
I bought one of the "SPS" gun in 7mm08 and have been very pleased. Drawbacks are no drop magazine and does not have the "new" adjustable remington trigger. Advantages, about $250 cheaper. I've found the same as you, shoots just fine, yes stock feels cheap, but it's a workhorse gun and I've even developed a love for my old boat paddle stocked synthetic Ruger, so if I can love that stock, there's not much I can't love in a stock!
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Strange that you say that the trigger is not adjustable. Both of my 700's, the SPS and VTR have the adjustable triggers. You do, however, have to remove the action from the stock and pry out the waxy plug on the allen head set screw to change the adjustment. The early "new" triggers had the adjustment hole for the allen key in the trigger, but I think they changed it to make it harder to get it set too "hairy".
As for the ugly synthetic stock, it doesn't hurt as much to scratch a plastic stock. Like I tell the youngsters: The only thing that gets easier as you get older is falling down. :chuckle:
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Strange that you say that the trigger is not adjustable. Both of my 700's, the SPS and VTR have the adjustable triggers. You do, however, have to remove the action from the stock and pry out the waxy plug on the allen head set screw to change the adjustment. The early "new" triggers had the adjustment hole for the allen key in the trigger, but I think they changed it to make it harder to get it set too "hairy".
As for the ugly synthetic stock, it doesn't hurt as much to scratch a plastic stock. Like I tell the youngsters: The only thing that gets easier as you get older is falling down. :chuckle:
I think he meant they don't have the "new" X trigger.
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I was thinking that all the new 700's had the "X" trigger. Guess I was wrong. But I been wrong before!
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I don't really know. I was just thinking maybe thats what he meant.
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Gutpile. I bought a 22-250 November of 2009. I was going to buy a bull barrrel SPS and decided to go with a Howa 1500. I am a remington guy, so that was a hard decision to make, but I really do like the HOWA 1500 with the Hogue stock. I save about $125 and it shoots really nice. Downside is that it is a little on the heavy side as the HOWA carries a little more weight in the action. But still not as heavy as the remington in a bull barrel. The HOWA includes the drop down magazine and an adjustable trigger. I am relatively impressed with the HOWA for $400.
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Just purchased the 700 sps in 7mm mag. Sps is special purpose synthetic. It has nothing to do with a bull barrell. Simply means the stock is synthetic. The gun has been great so far. I encourage the purchase!
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Gutpile. I bought a 22-250 November of 2009. I was going to buy a bull barrrel SPS and decided to go with a Howa 1500. I am a remington guy, so that was a hard decision to make, but I really do like the HOWA 1500 with the Hogue stock. I save about $125 and it shoots really nice. Downside is that it is a little on the heavy side as the HOWA carries a little more weight in the action. But still not as heavy as the remington in a bull barrel. The HOWA includes the drop down magazine and an adjustable trigger. I am relatively impressed with the HOWA for $400.
Thanks but I'm only looking at a 700 SPS because it's chambered in the 7mm RUM. Not necesarily the gun I'm interested in, it's the caliber. Don't think Howa chambers that caliber.
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you are correct no howa in 7mm rum.
I have 300 RUM in Remington XCR. I am not sure how the SPS stock will feel with the RUM recoil, so you might ask some questions of anyone that has an SPS in an RUM. The XCR is a significantly more recoil absorbing stock than the old Remington Stocks and recoil pads. food for thought as well as the price tag.
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I just bought a 22-250 SPS w/xtrigger set at 3.5 lbs. Going to Grand Coulee next week to try it out along with my new Rock River 223.
I'm so lathered up I can't stand it. I love killin' coyotes....... :drool: :drool:
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I just bought a 22-250 SPS w/xtrigger set at 3.5 lbs. Going to Grand Coulee next week to try it out along with my new Rock River 223.
I'm so lathered up I can't stand it. I love killin' coyotes....... :drool: :drool:
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:yike: :chuckle: :yike: :chuckle: :yike:
:mgun:
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I just bought a 22-250 SPS w/xtrigger set at 3.5 lbs. Going to Grand Coulee next week to try it out along with my new Rock River 223.
I'm so lathered up I can't stand it. I love killin' coyotes....... :drool: :drool:
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:yike: :chuckle: :yike: :chuckle: :yike:
:mgun:
You think like me ....................
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I just bought a 22-250 SPS w/xtrigger set at 3.5 lbs. Going to Grand Coulee next week to try it out along with my new Rock River 223.
I'm so lathered up I can't stand it. I love killin' coyotes....... :drool: :drool:
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:yike: :chuckle: :yike: :chuckle: :yike:
:mgun:
For your sake CAMPMEAT I hope not. :bdid:
You think like me ....................
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I just bought a 22-250 SPS w/xtrigger set at 3.5 lbs. Going to Grand Coulee next week to try it out along with my new Rock River 223.
I'm so lathered up I can't stand it. I love killin' coyotes....... :drool: :drool:
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:yike: :chuckle: :yike: :chuckle: :yike:
:mgun:
For your sake CAMPMEAT I hope not. :bdid:
You think like me ....................
Maybe a little bit ...
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The only thing I've noticed, as said above, the SPS is the bargain basement Remmy 700. The stock is the lightest I've ever seen on a rifle, but as noticed above also, they still seem to shoot just fine.
I've purchased three in the last few years, one for each of my Son's and another for my Wife, and they all shoot the same load very well, which I'm thankful for. Sure don't want to have to load and segregate separate loads for three same chambered rifles of the same make.
They are True 700's though, and parts will interchange between them.
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I recently bought the SPS Varmint. Mine does have the new trigger. The stock is pitiful so I ordered a McMillian. They are telling me 3+ months to receive the new stock, so in the mean time I filled in the hollow SPS butt-stock with a roll of lead and spray foam. Balances nicely now.
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A friend of mine bought a 7mm rum in bdl and I bought one in the sps. Same barrel 26 inch, differences are trigger, stock obviously, and finish all the sps's I have seen are matte black. The stock on the sps sucks it sits tight against the barrel if you tried to float the barrel the stock would just crack, it can't hold without the support on the for end from the barrel.
I figured with the money I saved on the sps vs Bdl I could buy a good stock and trigger and have a more personalized M700 for about the same price.
By the way my friend and I use the same load/bullet combo and both guns perform very close in group size. Even with the crap stock on the sps.
I bought one of the "SPS" gun in 7mm08 and have been very pleased. Drawbacks are no drop magazine and does not have the "new" adjustable remington trigger. Advantages, about $250 cheaper. I've found the same as you, shoots just fine, yes stock feels cheap, but it's a workhorse gun and I've even developed a love for my old boat paddle stocked synthetic Ruger, so if I can love that stock, there's not much I can't love in a stock!
I'm not sure what you mean by drop magazine mine has a hinged drop plate just like the Bdl :dunno:
I installed a Timney trigger in mine set at 2.5 lbs its great. Only one problem, I want one in every gun I have now. :chuckle:
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THAT is what makes the 700's, the ability to find so many differant sights, triggers, bases, barrels, stocks, BOTTOM METAL!, etc.
Its the Chevy 350 of the rifle world.
Maybe its not the best out there, but it sure makes it a lot easier to design/build/add-to, whatever it takes to get the end product of what you want.
The SPS is a perfect buy, if you just don't see what you want in the "Rifle-World". Then as time goes, and money is available, build it to what YOU want.
I've a couple with detachable mag systems now that I just love. Excellent triggers, top of the line bases/rings, very good/the best stocks...sure, its taken me some time, but-what the hay? So does switching/trading rifles off and buying others, none being "exactly" what I truly want.
Does this "jibberish" make sense?
Good Luck guys!