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Big Game Hunting => Deer Hunting => Topic started by: Bunny Thumper on December 23, 2010, 06:47:03 PM

Title: Hancock accesss south of Carbonado
Post by: Bunny Thumper on December 23, 2010, 06:47:03 PM: Went up and looked around the mashel unit this year off of highway 165, tons of area but 95% Hancock land. Access by permit signs every 40 yards. Question, do you need a permit just to enter or to drive in? Can you park and walk into these areas? How much is the permit? Is a permit good for more than one person (can I bring my kid)? I did see some deer and found a couple spots in the national forest, but there is very little area between Hancock land and the park boundary, also does any one know if the park boundary is well marked if you dive in and get along way from the road? Will probably go back next year but would like know a little more about the area.
Title: Re: Hancock accesss south of Carbonado
Post by: throttlejocky20 on December 23, 2010, 10:36:20 PM: I would not get caught in handcock without a permit( on foot or car). Handcock hires the game department to patrol.
Title: Re: Hancock accesss south of Carbonado
Post by: Gundy on December 24, 2010, 08:45:20 AM: Quote from: throttlejocky20 on December 23, 2010, 10:36:20 PM
I would not get caught in handcock without a permit( on foot or car). Handcock hires the game department to patrol.

Not sure who "Handcock" is but Hancock does not hire gamies to patrol. They hire old retirees to drive around and play cop. That being said, you can NOT walk into Hancocks Kapowsin area but you can walk in to their White River and Snoquo properties w/out a permit.
Title: Re: Hancock accesss south of Carbonado
Post by: throttlejocky20 on December 24, 2010, 08:49:49 AM: Quote from: Gundy on December 24, 2010, 08:45:20 AM
Quote from: throttlejocky20 on December 23, 2010, 10:36:20 PM
I would not get caught in handcock without a permit( on foot or car). Handcock hires the game department to patrol.

Not sure who "Handcock" is but Hancock does not hire gamies to patrol. They hire old retirees to drive around and play cop. That being said, you can NOT walk into Hancocks Kapowsin area but you can walk in to their White River and Snoquo properties w/out a permit.
Thats the security I have been stopped while driving 2 times and seen a check station multiple times. Legit wa state game department all times. You ho nestly can say all you have seen in there is security.
Title: Re: Hancock accesss south of Carbonado
Post by: gotshot on December 24, 2010, 09:14:38 AM: Years ago when kapowsin was PLWMA all they had was security. Now that it is under state regs the gamies are in there quite often. When I have been stopped at check stations they have never asked to see my permit, but I do have appropriate sticker in my windshield. They have emphasized this year the rules will be strictly enforced but I don't know if anything will change. If I think someone is in there illegally I won't hesitate to give Clyde a call and if he can have them checked out. I don't want to be the hancock policeman but over the last few years after the increase in popularity of the permits I have noticed more inconciderate people in there. People that will ride your butt even if you are driving somewhere at a fast clip and don't have anywhere to pull over, more garbage, and rigs with 5 guys in them which really makes you wonder if they all paid the price like most of is. About 4 yrs. ago I stopped to watch some guys work a buck on a hillside. Later when talking to one of the guys he said he was thinking about getting a permit but it was closed a lot of bow season so he didn't bother. He had driven in with a friend. Really burned me up because they had a deer and I didn't. SORRY TO RANT LIKE THIS.
Title: Re: Hancock accesss south of Carbonado
Post by: CRITTERSTICKER on December 24, 2010, 10:57:58 AM: from my experience it may just be clyde sometimes but i did hear of somebody seeing an elk shot out of season in there and it didnt take but 10 minutes to have gamies at the gate waiting for them. I too have noticed the amount of people in there that are rude and inconsiderate over the last couple years. It was easy to stop and bs with a guy in the road or just drive around and not have a giant lifted dodge or ford screaming down the road at 50+
Title: Re: Hancock accesss south of Carbonado
Post by: gotshot on December 24, 2010, 01:28:19 PM: Yea a couple years ago somebody reported a poached elk and they were looking for his truck. They had his description on the cb and everything. This guy heard it and showed up to the gate where clyde was waiting. Turned out he had an elk shed in the back of his truck. Last year my wife found a real nice 6 point shed. We had her toyota truck that day so on the way out we put it in the back sticking up a little. It was funny watching the heads turn.
Title: Re: Hancock accesss south of Carbonado
Post by: Gundy on December 24, 2010, 01:30:24 PM: Quote from: throttlejocky20 on December 24, 2010, 08:49:49 AM
Quote from: Gundy on December 24, 2010, 08:45:20 AM
Quote from: throttlejocky20 on December 23, 2010, 10:36:20 PM
I would not get caught in handcock without a permit( on foot or car). Handcock hires the game department to patrol.

Not sure who "Handcock" is but Hancock does not hire gamies to patrol. They hire old retirees to drive around and play cop. That being said, you can NOT walk into Hancocks Kapowsin area but you can walk in to their White River and Snoquo properties w/out a permit.
Thats the security I have been stopped while driving 2 times and seen a check station multiple times. Legit wa state game department all times. You ho nestly can say all you have seen in there is security.

Gamies may be in there patrolling but Hancock doesnt hire them. They patrol everywhere.
Title: Re: Hancock accesss south of Carbonado
Post by: Bunny Thumper on December 24, 2010, 02:44:06 PM: So is the Hancock forest land at the end of Highway 165 just before you enter the park the snoqualmie, white river area? Isn't that the snoqualmie national forest that butts up against the park? If so, can you walk into this area on foot without a permit? I don't want to break any rules and if I can't go in without a permit I won't go unless I get one. Again does anyone know how much the permits are?
Title: Re: Hancock accesss south of Carbonado
Post by: trophyhunt on December 24, 2010, 03:36:19 PM: The permits are 350.oo but they are probably already sold out this year. They go on sale Dec.1st and are usually gone in a couple weeks, call work n sports in enumclaw to see if they have any left. Good luck
Title: Re: Hancock accesss south of Carbonado
Post by: bigtex on December 24, 2010, 03:39:03 PM: Quote from: Gundy on December 24, 2010, 08:45:20 AM
Quote from: throttlejocky20 on December 23, 2010, 10:36:20 PM
I would not get caught in handcock without a permit( on foot or car). Handcock hires the game department to patrol.

Not sure who "Handcock" is but Hancock does not hire gamies to patrol. They hire old retirees to drive around and play cop. That being said, you can NOT walk into Hancocks Kapowsin area but you can walk in to their White River and Snoquo properties w/out a permit.

Hancock DOES hire WDFW to patrol all of their lands (White River, Kapowsin, Snoqualmie and Eatonville). WDFW has to patrol a certain amount of hours per year and in return Hancock pays WDFW $. Hancock also has their own security people (usually one person per farm) which are more of your typical security guards. But the actual law enforcement on the farms is WDFW.
Title: Re: Hancock accesss south of Carbonado
Post by: bigtex on December 24, 2010, 03:41:03 PM: Quote from: Gundy on December 24, 2010, 01:30:24 PM
Quote from: throttlejocky20 on December 24, 2010, 08:49:49 AM
Quote from: Gundy on December 24, 2010, 08:45:20 AM
Quote from: throttlejocky20 on December 23, 2010, 10:36:20 PM
I would not get caught in handcock without a permit( on foot or car). Handcock hires the game department to patrol.

Not sure who "Handcock" is but Hancock does not hire gamies to patrol. They hire old retirees to drive around and play cop. That being said, you can NOT walk into Hancocks Kapowsin area but you can walk in to their White River and Snoquo properties w/out a permit.
Thats the security I have been stopped while driving 2 times and seen a check station multiple times. Legit wa state game department all times. You ho nestly can say all you have seen in there is security.

Gamies may be in there patrolling but Hancock doesnt hire them. They patrol everywhere.

Hancock does hire WDFW to patrol their lands. There is a brief description about this patrol contract in the WDFW Enforcement 2008 Staffing study.
Title: Re: Hancock accesss south of Carbonado
Post by: bigtex on December 24, 2010, 03:43:31 PM: From the WDFW Enforcement 2008 Staffing Study, regarding the Hancock-WDFW Security Contract:

Region 6 also manages a portion of the Hancock Timberland security contract, approximately 400 hours of patrol work between July and December. This is a service reimbursement contract directed at public safety, theft, trespass, general vandalism, above officers’ regularly scheduled activities.
Title: Re: Hancock accesss south of Carbonado
Post by: 7mag. on December 27, 2010, 08:00:11 AM: Quote from: Bunny Thumper on December 24, 2010, 02:44:06 PM
So is the Hancock forest land at the end of Highway 165 just before you enter the park the snoqualmie, white river area? Isn't that the snoqualmie national forest that butts up against the park? If so, can you walk into this area on foot without a permit? I don't want to break any rules and if I can't go in without a permit I won't go unless I get one. Again does anyone know how much the permits are?

That is the Kapowison tree farm. You cannot enter without a permit.
Title: Re: Hancock accesss south of Carbonado
Post by: bigtex on December 27, 2010, 05:03:29 PM: Quote from: 7mag. on December 27, 2010, 08:00:11 AM
Quote from: Bunny Thumper on December 24, 2010, 02:44:06 PM
So is the Hancock forest land at the end of Highway 165 just before you enter the park the snoqualmie, white river area? Isn't that the snoqualmie national forest that butts up against the park? If so, can you walk into this area on foot without a permit? I don't want to break any rules and if I can't go in without a permit I won't go unless I get one. Again does anyone know how much the permits are?

That is the Kapowison tree farm. You cannot enter without a permit.

The Kapowsin Tree Farm is heavily marked, you shouldn't have an issue of not knowing where you are. A good idea would be to pick up a Mt. Baker-Snoqualmie National Forest map at the Enumclaw USFS office so you know if you are on USFS or private land.
Title: Re: Hancock accesss south of Carbonado
Post by: deleted BGS on December 28, 2010, 10:49:51 PM: There is NO access anywhere to kapowsin except the main gates. The permits are sold out, but next year ya you can take your kid in. I live close to that gate and it would be awesome if it was open! :bash: I know several people that patrol the areas around here and if you get caught your in trouble, especially if it says permit required or anything like that. You must have a permit, and no quads, dirtbikes, or any type of off road vehicle except a truck.