Post by: DoubleJ on December 28, 2010, 10:08:35 AM
Post by: Woodchuck on December 28, 2010, 10:15:46 AM
Post by: C-Money on December 28, 2010, 10:22:02 AM
Post by: Pathfinder101 on December 28, 2010, 10:24:58 AM
Gives you a good feeling when you crawl under the thing and look at it. Waaaayyyy different than the half-tons and Toyota I have owned. It's not built like a car, it's built like a piece of "equipment". Like farm equipment. Big, HEAVY, sturdy...
They are a pain in the a$$ to work on though. The heads are like 100 lbs each, and the motor on my F250 is wedged up under the windshield, so to get to anything in the back part of the engine you either have to pull the motor, or remove the cab... :bash: Plan to change your own oil, getting it done at a shop is spendy. Don't forget to plug in the block heater when it's cold...
Like Jim said, if you don't really "need" one... :dunno:
If you are getting a new one, you probably won't have to worry about fixing stuff for a while though.
Post by: 6x6in6 on December 28, 2010, 10:28:59 AM
Fuel filters are your best friend. Buy good filters that filter down to 2 microns will protect your injectors. Change them every 10k.
Air filtration is your second best friend. Using an oiled filter element collects up much more debris than a dry element. S&B or aFe are two oiled element filters for example.
Oil and filter. Buy a good quality filter element, not a Fram, and simply just run Delo 400 and your good to go.
What ever you do, run far away from the 6.0l Ford.
Flame suit on. :chuckle:
Post by: Pathfinder101 on December 28, 2010, 10:33:17 AM
He's right about the 6.0Liter Ford as well. Everytime I tell a mechanic that I bought a Superduty, the first thing they ask is "did you get the 7.3L, or the 6.0L?" the 6 L motor has a pretty bad rep.
Post by: 6x6in6 on December 28, 2010, 10:35:10 AM
Post by: C-Money on December 28, 2010, 10:37:57 AM
Post by: jackelope on December 28, 2010, 10:43:24 AM
There's no spark plugs to change(real trucks don't have spark plugs) so there's a non-expense there.
I think they used to be a lot more worth it before they went to DPF systems and all the other emissions crap that took away all the fuel mileage.
Post by: bearpaw on December 28, 2010, 10:44:51 AM
I really like this Ford but I can tell you I do not get as good of mileage as those older dodges get that have a manual tranny. Many of those are getting 20+, I am getting about 15 to 17 all around. I pulled my older dodge flatbed on a trailer from Idaho and got 12.5. That dodge V10 only gets 9 pulling itself... :chuckle:
Good luck. :)
Post by: MLhunter1 on December 28, 2010, 10:45:15 AM
Post by: 6x6in6 on December 28, 2010, 10:46:25 AM
Dodge will no longer warranty repair any engines that the owner can not prove changing the fuel filters in every 15k miles. It's about $100 to do a fuel filter here, and an $89.95 oil change.Yup.
There's no spark plugs to change(real trucks don't have spark plugs) so there's a non-expense there.
I think they used to be a lot more worth it before they went to DPF systems and all the other emissions crap that took away all the fuel mileage.
"Proving" meaning receipts for purchases and documented in the maintenance schedule in the owners manual.
Same for oil changes too.
Post by: jackelope on December 28, 2010, 10:56:03 AM
Engines and injectors too. If we decide there is more than 1 injector thats bad(it happens) and its a warranty situation, we need maintenance records(fuel filters every 15k miles) and then we pull all 6 injectors, send them to a shop for testing. They verify that some injectors are bad, then we replace them and not until the test shop verifies it. Some of the new policies suck for both sides of the fence. Cummins warranties injectors, for example, for 100k miles so folks need to make sure they take care of their maintenance always...
Post by: Fastass350 on December 28, 2010, 10:57:20 AM
Another huge thing to consider is whether you are getting an automatic or a manual. To me, that would make my mind up as to which manufacturer to use. Every make has had it's bad years of trannys, so look for that.
My opinion, I'd go with either the Chev or the Dodge. If I went brand new, I'd do the Chev, having the option of the Alison which is a proven transmission. Or It'd be the Dodge with the 6spd, but I don't like the new motor. Ideally, an 05 or older Dodge with the 6spd and low miles. I have an 04 Dodge with the auto, which I regret, but I've had no troubles with the truck other than the known weak link of the lift pump, which was warrantied. I have 76k on it now, and get 20mpg empty, 15mpg loaded with about 8k on the hiway.
Post by: JackOfAllTrades on December 28, 2010, 11:31:31 AM
LOVE THE 6.0 IN MY 2004 SUPERDUTY 4x4 FORD WITH ZF6spd! One EGR valve, two ball joints and two front rotors in 130,000 miles. (I'll change the rear rotors and all four Rancho shocks after the first of the year.) Regular oil changes with Dello400 every 5000 miles. Fuel filter changes every 30,000 miles. Air filter changes every 40,000 miles.
Don't just look at the engines.... There are issues with ball joints of the Fords. The front rotors are junk, but there are aftermarket replacements that are great!
Never scrimp on maintenance with a diesel powered truck. Treat them well, and they'll treat you well.
Narrow your choices of brand down by the trucks intended use and your budget. The GM drives like a car. Erganomics in the interior are the best of the big three. Duramax is Isusu... Tons of good and bad reputation of the Alison transmissions. Ford interiors come in second place. Powerstroke is International Engines. I buy my fuel and oil filters at the local MotorFreight/International parts depot. (cheaper) The 6.0 air/fuel/oil filters are patented. Ford auto transmissions have gotten much better, but I still like the ZF6 in a manual tranny with granny gear. That tranny is used up to 24,000#gvw panel/flat bed trucks. Same tranny used for quite a while in GM too. Max GVW for domestic trucks is reduced for that tranny 'on paper', but don't let that fool ya. I've hauled/towed double the tow rating of my truck without issue. I do not trust an automatic behind a diesel at all. Too many horor stories. The Dodge 'Cummins' is a real inline 6 Diesel engine. Gobs of torque. They're 5spd is a nice shifting tranny. I think most will agree that the Dodge is capable of the best fuel economy, but the older Ford turbo'd 7.3's did quite well in that department. The newer 6.4 Ford not so good on fuel. I have kept a log book of everything done to my truck, fuel economy has averaged 17mpg for the life of the truck. I get 15mpg towing a 29' camp trailer across the passes. Best I've gotten empty is 22mpg from Seattle to Portland on I-5.
Stay away from the early 2003 Ford Superduty's with 7.3's, and the late/mid 2003's with 6.0. That was a bad cross-over year for Ford. Some little things like little electronics and such that weren't proven on the 7.3's and the head studs for the 6.0 were troublesome. Up through 2005 the auto tranny had a series of design faults. But, the recalls did well to fix them so anything used, should have been fixed. The tow-haul mode with transmission braking is sweet.
Get on the diesel truck forums.
(yes, these are commercial forums, but I'm only pointing him toward information, not to make purchases)
http://www.ford-trucks.com/forums (http://www.ford-trucks.com/forums) http://www.thedieselstop.com (http://www.thedieselstop.com) http://www.duramaxforum.com (http://www.duramaxforum.com) http://www.cumminsforum.com (http://www.cumminsforum.com)
I read a lot of stuff and asked questions for months before I bought my truck. Inform yourself and you'll most likely end up a happy diesel pickup owner.
-Steve
Post by: Woodchuck on December 28, 2010, 11:47:31 AM
Post by: Skillet on December 28, 2010, 11:49:32 AM
My advice to a potential diesel truck owner? Buy good oil in bulk when it's on sale. At 15 quarts a change for my 6.0, it adds up fast. Always keep a spare fuel filter with you, and know how to change it (or them, in my case) blindfolded. Buy filters in bulk online. Doing that, you can sometimes get the cost of an oil change down to under $50. If you buy a newer one, bring your dealer service department a fifth of whatever he wants and keep him happy. You guys will get to be good friends and spend a lot of time together if you don't regularly change your fuel filters.
Final piece of advice - if you don't regualry tow/haul heavy loads long distances, get a gasser. Just not worth the extra costs owning a diesel unless you use it for what it was made to do.
Post by: tshoote30 on December 28, 2010, 12:03:26 PM
Post by: JackOfAllTrades on December 28, 2010, 12:05:41 PM
-Steve
Post by: jackelope on December 28, 2010, 12:07:24 PM
Yes, to pull the engine on a Ford... You pull the cab off the frame to get it out.
-Steve
I was at the ford dealership the other day and saw one of these operations in the works... :yike:
Post by: jstone on December 28, 2010, 12:08:18 PM
Post by: tshoote30 on December 28, 2010, 12:10:54 PM
Yes, to pull the engine on a Ford... You pull the cab off the frame to get it out.
-Steve
I was at the ford dealership the other day and saw one of these operations in the works... :yike:
:yike: yea so probably avoid that year of truck then ;) Ouch that has got to be a spendy little operation....
Post by: Bean Counter on December 28, 2010, 12:13:37 PM
I could see myself writing a similar thread. I grew up fixing my broken gas engine vehicles, but I don't have the first clue how a glow plug works. In addition, while I don't fancy myself a road hunter, I have no qualms about hopping out of the truck, loading my rifle, and blasting an animal. It seems as though the loudness of the diesel puts an end to that possibility before it starts.
+1 to the 'if you don't need it...' crowd.
Post by: DoubleJ on December 28, 2010, 12:19:37 PM
Post by: bearpaw on December 28, 2010, 12:22:30 PM
Post by: mjbskwim on December 28, 2010, 12:23:16 PM
the big thing is just be prepared that any maintenance on a diesel will be more money than a gas truck, if you arent using it for what it was designed it does not pay to go diesel :twocents:
I did the math and they made the diesel expencive enough it cost the same per mile as a big block gas engine.
Until you start pulling a load.
But it should last way longer than a gas engine,which only makes a difference if you keep your vehicles for ever
Post by: JackOfAllTrades on December 28, 2010, 12:24:47 PM
Yes, to pull the engine on a Ford... You pull the cab off the frame to get it out.
-Steve
I was at the ford dealership the other day and saw one of these operations in the works... :yike:
I've talked to techs that have pulled the engines on all big three... Ford techs say its so easy to work the engine once the cab is out of the way that its worth it.
-Steve
Post by: DRobnsn on December 28, 2010, 12:26:54 PM
There is a fix though cut it off and throw it away buy a programmer that bypasses it and enjoy more power and better mileage. I wouldn't hesitate to buy a 6.7l Cummins, but I don't have to do emissions testing currently.
As for filters I use nothing but Fleetguard now owned by (Cummins filtration). Look under the hood of most over the road trucks or equipment with diesel power and these are what you will find. One thing I would like to add to this is the Powerstroke and the Duramax are not used in any equipment to my knowledge other than the pickups/heavy duty trucks F550 ect. So finding good cost efficient aftermarket filters like fleetguard may be difficult. The fleetguard for my 01 Dodge is around $15 for the oil and $12 for the fuel.
Another thing to remember about new diesels is the Urea they are requiring them to use. Ford and Chev both use them Dodge is the only one of the big three that hasn't had to use it yet. Urea is a additive that is injected into the exhaust to help scrub the system and is something that will have a tank and will need to be filled at certain intervals. Not sure on price and availability but its worth checking into when considering a new truck.
Also Fords and Chevs have glow plugs to assist in cold starts they do wear out as well as there controllers. Cummins don't have them instead they use a grid heater in the intake to heat the intake air I have never heard of one wearing out. I have heard of issues with them but its very rare. I have read the new Fords don't need nearly as much glow plug warm up time to start which may help with wear on them. Not sure on the Chev.
Not trying to scare anyone away from Diesel power its great, I love mine and will never buy a fullsize truck without one again just wanted to point those things out.
Post by: jackelope on December 28, 2010, 12:33:16 PM
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Long Block
Auto Trans B 0.0 25.6
Includes: R&I Engine & Transfer All Necessary Components Not Supplied With Long Block.
Manual Trans B 0.0 28.0
Includes: R&I Engine & Transfer All Necessary Components Not Supplied With Long Block.
NOTE
To Clean CAC Tube, Add B 0.0 0.2
With Dual Alternators, Add B 0.0 0.4
Steve-
What they're actually saying is the book pays pretty damn good to do these motors. Holy crap 28 hours for a long block...
Post by: JackOfAllTrades on December 28, 2010, 12:43:05 PM
-Steve
Post by: Bean Counter on December 28, 2010, 12:43:43 PM
K. Thanks guys. I'll probably stick to gas.
You can still pull and haul chit with a gas.. Diesel just seems to make sense if you regularly haul 1,000 lbs or tow a lot. I doubt that you'd even get much of an advantage with diesel if all you pull is some lightweight fishing boat, to boot. I went through the same considerations when I bought my (gas) Toyota Tundra. Lovin' every huntin' minute of it. :IBCOOL:
Post by: DoubleJ on December 28, 2010, 12:54:27 PM
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Post by: DoubleJ on December 28, 2010, 01:02:41 PM
Post by: Happy Gilmore on December 28, 2010, 01:08:44 PM
Our fleet was filled with Ford F-350's since 2000.
In 2004 we bought our first 6.0L trucks. By 2006 We had 6 F-350 6L trucks. We can easily put 50K on a year unless the truck is on a big job and not on the highway doing a bunch of running around. Our low mileage trucks usually have a ton of off road miles on them due to job locations in Montana, WY, NV, OR, WA,etc. We currently have 3 6L trucks left in our fleet. Two do not run, one will not start without starting fluid. None of the three left have over 190K miles. These trucks are strictly maintained, oil and filters changed and monitored.
We have two 2000 F-350's at our office in Reno with over 200K and no major repairs.
We now have been buying Chevy Duramax / Allison combos. We currently have 8 as of last week-a new 2011.
Our highest mileage Chevy has 165K. I think the 2007. It has spent time in the shop for electrical issues and transmission issues. Both were minor easy fixes but, have also been re-occuring.
Overall, right now- Chevy is the only Choice. Might be a while until Ford motor is proven. Dodge's can't take the heavy work- they fall apart. We have only tried two Dodges, one 1998 and a 2000. They can't take the off road beating our trucks endure going up to old mining sites and driving around landfills. They had all sorts of fit and finish issues, tranny and electrical problems. We left one in Montana on a trade in for a Chevy a couple years back.
Anyone needs two 6L parts trucks- we have them sitting here in Kent looking for a new home. Poor condition bodys, 4 doors, plastic interior, dual rw, flatbeds. not running. send me a PM -
Post by: Rick on December 28, 2010, 01:25:48 PM
Probably not getting any, just window shopping. looking at the 2011 6.2l gas F350
Good call.
A truck with almost 400hp will tow just about anything that any of us will need to tow.
With the way the new diesels are getting hamstrung by emmision laws,the advantage of the diesel isn't what it used to be.
My next truck won't have a diesel engine.
Post by: MuleySniper on December 28, 2010, 01:29:05 PM
MS
Oh and my only other gripe is the frickin cost of diesel!!! Sure isn't what it was a few years back.
Post by: 6x6in6 on December 28, 2010, 01:33:57 PM
Did you get the Black Max or Mini Max from H&S Performance?
Post by: MuleySniper on December 28, 2010, 01:38:14 PM
Post by: JackOfAllTrades on December 28, 2010, 01:39:20 PM
My 88 Ford F250 with built FI 460 with the big'ole Banks 3 1/2" exhaust and 4" lift I kept for just over ten years. For half the time I had it, it was a second rig and sat in my shop for days on end while I drove a hotrod. I still managed to put 100,000 miles on it.
I've had my PowerStroke since fall of 04' and now have 130,000 miles on it. I plan to get 300,000 miles out of the powerplant. I figue that'll be about 12 years of ownership or so..
I think that my next truck will still be diesel powered. There are lots of emissions regulations, but I bet in the next few years that all the big three will have the emissions stuff figured out.
Just add propane! (It'll all be cleaner but you're gonna have to hold the heck on missy!)
-Steve
Post by: JackOfAllTrades on December 28, 2010, 01:42:05 PM
-Steve
Post by: 6x6in6 on December 28, 2010, 01:43:39 PM
I went with a Smarty. Seems the majority vote on cumminsforum.com was the Smarty tuner for the 6.7. I still need to add an intake and would like to do a new down pipe. I need an excuse to head east to do some yote hunting, might have to convince the wife I need to check my highway mpg's :chuckle:S-06 Smarty on my '05.
Be careful with timing adjustments. Too much timing makes the head gasket go boom. But I think Bob and Marco got that one sorted out.
Post by: woodswalker on December 28, 2010, 01:53:33 PM
MUFFLER FLUID!!!!!!!!!!! :dunno:
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Another thing to remember about new diesels is the Urea they are requiring them to use. Ford and Chev both use them Dodge is the only one of the big three that hasn't had to use it yet. Urea is a additive that is injected into the exhaust to help scrub the system and is something that will have a tank and will need to be filled at certain intervals. Not sure on price and availability but its worth checking into when considering a new truck.:bash:
What next....Blinker fluid? :'(
Post by: jackelope on December 28, 2010, 02:13:29 PM
I've been ruminating on a new-to-me diesel truck...one thing that is a WHOLESALE turnoff for the newer ones....
MUFFLER FLUID!!!!!!!!!!! :dunno:QuoteAnother thing to remember about new diesels is the Urea they are requiring them to use. Ford and Chev both use them Dodge is the only one of the big three that hasn't had to use it yet. Urea is a additive that is injected into the exhaust to help scrub the system and is something that will have a tank and will need to be filled at certain intervals. Not sure on price and availability but its worth checking into when considering a new truck.:bash:
What next....Blinker fluid? :'(
Dodge uses it too.
:dunno:
4500's and bigger now, all of them next year.
Post by: Buckmark on December 28, 2010, 02:22:25 PM
Post by: Special T on December 28, 2010, 02:27:38 PM
Post by: JackOfAllTrades on December 28, 2010, 02:27:53 PM
-Steve
Post by: 6x6in6 on December 28, 2010, 02:33:05 PM
I fuel up about every 8 days. Lately that's been $3.20/gal. for about a $110 fill up. (I runn'r until the low fuel light comes on. Ole' Wilber has a factory 38gallon tank that I've put 37gallons into more than once). I could pay $3.39 just down the road from my home if I wanted to, but I've got my select couple of stations that seem to always have the best price in the county.
-Steve
Care to share where your best prices are?
Fred Meyer on Bakerview I will only do after the Canadian curfew hits around 10:00 PM. :chuckle:
Post by: JackOfAllTrades on December 28, 2010, 02:37:16 PM
Oh,, and Fredies at Bakerview won't let the tab go past $75 on debit/credit. The one on Lakeway will go till its full. I use an air miles credit card to well past $100 to fill there without it stopping on me.
-Steve
Post by: DRobnsn on December 28, 2010, 02:41:57 PM
I've been ruminating on a new-to-me diesel truck...one thing that is a WHOLESALE turnoff for the newer ones....
MUFFLER FLUID!!!!!!!!!!! :dunno:QuoteAnother thing to remember about new diesels is the Urea they are requiring them to use. Ford and Chev both use them Dodge is the only one of the big three that hasn't had to use it yet. Urea is a additive that is injected into the exhaust to help scrub the system and is something that will have a tank and will need to be filled at certain intervals. Not sure on price and availability but its worth checking into when considering a new truck.:bash:
What next....Blinker fluid? :'(
Dodge uses it too.
:dunno:
4500's and bigger now, all of them next year.
Could you point me in the direction where you got this info. I know the Cab and Chassis trucks have it but haven't been able to find anything saying the regular pickups would have it.
Post by: 6x6in6 on December 28, 2010, 02:46:49 PM
Funny story.
The short little blonde lady that runs the Lakeway Fred's and hides in the little house right off our tailpipes asked me to shut my truck off when I was waiting in line to fuel up a year and half ago.
I had just dropped in some new 240 hp injectors in it and it was hazing to say the least and I couldn't since the egt's were still over 400*. :chuckle:
But hey, I got first in the sled pull at Berthusen a few hours later.
Post by: jackelope on December 28, 2010, 02:48:25 PM
I've been ruminating on a new-to-me diesel truck...one thing that is a WHOLESALE turnoff for the newer ones....
MUFFLER FLUID!!!!!!!!!!! :dunno:QuoteAnother thing to remember about new diesels is the Urea they are requiring them to use. Ford and Chev both use them Dodge is the only one of the big three that hasn't had to use it yet. Urea is a additive that is injected into the exhaust to help scrub the system and is something that will have a tank and will need to be filled at certain intervals. Not sure on price and availability but its worth checking into when considering a new truck.:bash:
What next....Blinker fluid? :'(
Dodge uses it too.
:dunno:
4500's and bigger now, all of them next year.
Could you point me in the direction where you got this info. I know the Cab and Chassis trucks have it but haven't been able to find anything saying the regular pickups would have it.
I just finished all the training on it. It's all on a password protected dealer website :'( . If I can find something that I have the ability to show you, I will.
Post by: Happy Gilmore on December 28, 2010, 02:54:39 PM
Post by: JackOfAllTrades on December 28, 2010, 02:57:58 PM
http://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/1022611-another-def-fill-post.html (http://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/1022611-another-def-fill-post.html)
Post by: jeepasaurusrex on December 28, 2010, 03:32:50 PM
Post by: C-Money on December 28, 2010, 04:17:53 PM
Post by: Rick on December 28, 2010, 05:12:23 PM
Diesel is just not practical for me anymore.
Diesel isn't practical for a lot of people. I think for a lot of guys,having a big burly diesel is good for their self estem. :chuckle:
If I could talk my wife into either a motorhome,or something smaller than our current 33' fifth wheel,I'd go back to a 1/2 ton gas truck in a heartbeat.
Post by: jeepasaurusrex on December 28, 2010, 05:13:19 PM
Post by: MuleySniper on December 28, 2010, 05:33:33 PM
MS
Post by: jackelope on December 28, 2010, 08:05:42 PM
when I blast by em towing up vantage hill are the guys with the Chev 8.1's otherwise move over and enjoy my exhaust :chuckle: :chuckle:
MS
Now that you have exhaust it will be even better.
8)
Post by: MuleySniper on December 28, 2010, 08:09:30 PM
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Post by: DIESEL BREATH on December 28, 2010, 08:43:21 PM
Post by: jackelope on December 28, 2010, 09:04:17 PM
:yike:
Post by: DRobnsn on December 28, 2010, 10:08:58 PM
My guys are putting an injection pump in an 08 Cummins 6.7L tomorrow. It will cost Chrysler $5500 at warranty cost. Thats probably 8 g's customer pay.
:yike:
:yike: WOW, Why so much, Oregon fuel injection sells rebuilt one's for $755.00. Upgraded pumps are between 1-2k.
Post by: jackelope on December 29, 2010, 05:53:10 AM
Factory Warranty. Have to use factory parts.My guys are putting an injection pump in an 08 Cummins 6.7L tomorrow. It will cost Chrysler $5500 at warranty cost. Thats probably 8 g's customer pay.
:yike:
:yike: WOW, Why so much, Oregon fuel injection sells rebuilt one's for $755.00. Upgraded pumps are between 1-2k.
Post by: 6x6in6 on December 29, 2010, 10:46:13 AM
My guys are putting an injection pump in an 08 Cummins 6.7L tomorrow. It will cost Chrysler $5500 at warranty cost. Thats probably 8 g's customer pay.
:yike:
Ok, I'll bite.
The cp3 is a +- $600 part after the $400 core is taken out of the equation.
What would make this cost $5,500 under warranty or $8,000 to the customer?
Post by: 6x6in6 on December 29, 2010, 10:47:12 AM
Post by: Pathfinder101 on December 29, 2010, 10:48:07 AM
Post by: JackOfAllTrades on December 29, 2010, 10:59:51 AM
Post by: 6x6in6 on December 29, 2010, 11:00:18 AM
Post by: jackelope on December 29, 2010, 11:36:09 AM
My guys are putting an injection pump in an 08 Cummins 6.7L tomorrow. It will cost Chrysler $5500 at warranty cost. Thats probably 8 g's customer pay.
:yike:
Ok, I'll bite.
The cp3 is a +- $600 part after the $400 core is taken out of the equation.
What would make this cost $5,500 under warranty or $8,000 to the customer?
You'd have to call Chrysler and ask them.
I don't invent the prices. That is the price that Chrysler sets for it.
You're familiar with Alldata right?
Quote
Part OEM Part Price
Diesel MFI Pump
Injection Pump 68027022AA $5600.00
Labor Skill
Level Mfg.
Warranty Standard
Diesel MFI Pump
Replace B 1.9 2.6
NOTE
With Jacob Brake, Add B 0.3 0.5
As I said earlier in this thread...I can't use aftermarket parts for warranty work.
Post by: 6x6in6 on December 29, 2010, 11:45:01 AM
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Post by: Special T on December 29, 2010, 11:48:53 AM
Post by: 6x6in6 on December 29, 2010, 11:50:53 AM
I would be curious, if you ever find out, what caused the pump to crap out. It's not very often as you now. Sure, FCA's, HPLV's, COV's, rail pressure senser's etc. do go on the blink. The cp3 is a pretty tough pump.
Post by: 6x6in6 on December 29, 2010, 11:53:00 AM
I've got new bosch injectors in one of my dodges... My buddy put some kind of hi flow injectors in his rig and didn't do anything else..said it made the rig run smoother AND slightly better fuel milage... ever heard of that kinda thing? I'll have ot get the brand and specs...Yup, better mpg and run's smoother. Throw a cam shaft in it and it's even better. A better intercooler and a turbo or two and your getting somewhere. :chuckle:
http://www.f1diesel.com/ (http://www.f1diesel.com/)
Post by: jackelope on December 29, 2010, 12:05:03 PM
Post by: Buckmark on December 29, 2010, 12:05:56 PM
MS
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Vantage is a candyass pass....i really can not think of any pass in this state that is a true test..
Post by: MuleySniper on December 29, 2010, 12:16:56 PM
Post by: blacklab-123 on December 29, 2010, 07:03:30 PM
Post by: Bofire on December 29, 2010, 08:06:15 PM
MS
:dunno: :rolleyes:
shoot fire! I didn't know it wuz a race!! now that I know: start in Vantage
I figure getting a good run down the hill west bound, take the outside lane and make that right turn onto the bridge at about 80 stand on it accross the bridge and stay in the left lane, if they try to pass(with no bump) just wing yer trailer out in front of them. straddle the line between left and center. :chuckle: if they dive into the far right lane some slow truck will let you cut them off.
:dunno:
when you hit the flat at Eburg remember to flip them off when they pass and you will see them again between cle elum and the pass. Then again on Tiger mountain, remember to wave. :chuckle:
Carl
O'course I am driving my girly little 1/2 ton and my weinie 22 foot trailer. :P
Post by: NWwildman on December 29, 2010, 09:14:06 PM
Post by: jackelope on December 29, 2010, 09:29:54 PM
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." If it was possible i would have jump through the phone and murder the guy.
right.. :rolleyes:
You should have just took the truck back to them and got another injection pump for free rather than spending another $1500 on another one. I don't understand that....
Post by: bigpaw 77 on December 29, 2010, 09:30:55 PM
Post by: Special T on December 29, 2010, 09:35:48 PM
If you want a real pulling rig its diesel and a stick... just ask the professional haulers... Just let me know if i'm wrong......
Post by: jackelope on December 29, 2010, 09:44:10 PM
Post by: Special T on December 29, 2010, 09:49:05 PM
Post by: jackelope on December 29, 2010, 09:53:39 PM
I heard a story from a fleet guy that the guys up on the ice roads wanted to buy a whole pile of new Dodge trucks a few years ago but the fact that they were having all the issues with them scared them away. Not being able to leave them idle all the time is an automatic disqualifier up there. I don't know how true that story is...just something I heard from a fleet guy.
Post by: JackOfAllTrades on December 29, 2010, 10:40:47 PM
I cannot bash any of the big three as they all have problems. But most of them that are taken care of will run circles around the gassers with more power and better fuel economy.
-Steve
Post by: NWwildman on December 30, 2010, 09:48:11 AM
Post by: 6x6in6 on December 30, 2010, 10:13:45 AM
the reason i didn't take it back to the dealer is because I live in Washington and the pump was bought in another state and was twice the cost of my pump now. 15 hr trip with a pump that would stop sending fuels didn't sound fun. They where not willing to let a local dealer work on it either.I hope your running an Air Dog, Fass or the likes to feed that VP and those 150's because it's only a matter of time before you toast another one. :)
Post by: MuleySniper on December 30, 2010, 10:29:35 AM
the reason i didn't take it back to the dealer is because I live in Washington and the pump was bought in another state and was twice the cost of my pump now. 15 hr trip with a pump that would stop sending fuels didn't sound fun. They where not willing to let a local dealer work on it either.I hope your running an Air Dog, Fass or the likes to feed that VP and those 150's because it's only a matter of time before you toast another one. :)
What exactly does the Fass do? And it the fancy Amsoil filter/recycler thing that loops to the filler worth it?
I hear of prolonged oil changes but honestly it seems a catch 22. Spend the money and use delo every 3000k or spend about the same amount switching to amsoil and do it every ten?
Post by: 6x6in6 on December 30, 2010, 10:56:21 AM
No, the Amsoil bypass oil filter is not worth the expense. Just by good Fleetguard filters from Cummins Northwest or on-line and your good to go.the reason i didn't take it back to the dealer is because I live in Washington and the pump was bought in another state and was twice the cost of my pump now. 15 hr trip with a pump that would stop sending fuels didn't sound fun. They where not willing to let a local dealer work on it either.I hope your running an Air Dog, Fass or the likes to feed that VP and those 150's because it's only a matter of time before you toast another one. :)
What exactly does the Fass do? And it the fancy Amsoil filter/recycler thing that loops to the filler worth it?
I hear of prolonged oil changes but honestly it seems a catch 22. Spend the money and use delo every 3000k or spend about the same amount switching to amsoil and do it every ten?
A Fass provides extra filtration, a better water seperator and aids in eliminating air in the fuel delivery system along with greater psi of fuel to feed the injection pump so you don't drain the fuel rail (common rail engines) that feeds the injectors. Basically, it aids from starving the injection pump of fuel and a better job of keeping debris from getting to your injectors. Water and debris are the #1 cause of failed injectors which ultimately can kill your engine.
Post by: jackelope on December 30, 2010, 11:43:13 AM
the reason i didn't take it back to the dealer is because I live in Washington and the pump was bought in another state and was twice the cost of my pump now. 15 hr trip with a pump that would stop sending fuels didn't sound fun. They where not willing to let a local dealer work on it either.
Warranty is good at any dealer nationwide if it is a Mopar part. You got fed the wrong info. Sorry to hear that.
Post by: Woodchuck on December 30, 2010, 11:47:02 AM
Post by: NWwildman on December 30, 2010, 11:52:48 AM
Post by: MuleySniper on December 30, 2010, 12:07:18 PM
MS
Post by: Rick on December 30, 2010, 02:00:36 PM
What is with all the trashing on 6.0 diesels I own a 06 f250 with the 6.0 and love it, I will agree the 03 was a bad year for them being new and all but the 06 model has fewest warranty claims than any powerstroke. I have owned a 98 dodge Cummings and will never own a dodge again. That is my opinion we all have one, I guess I get sick of people talking trash about a truck that they don't own or drive. They just hear stuff and believe it all to be true :twocents: thanks for letting me vent.
People talk trash,because the 6.0 was a POS. There is no debating that. The 6.0 broke a decades long partnership between International and Ford.
You sure you owned a Dodge? If you did,you should know,theres no "g" at the end of Cummins.
Post by: NWwildman on December 30, 2010, 02:46:25 PM
Post by: bigpaw 77 on December 30, 2010, 09:47:07 PM
Yes I am sure I owned a dodge, I dumped more money in to that truck then I care to admit. Maybe you should be the spell check instead of the crappy one the site offers.What is with all the trashing on 6.0 diesels I own a 06 f250 with the 6.0 and love it, I will agree the 03 was a bad year for them being new and all but the 06 model has fewest warranty claims than any powerstroke. I have owned a 98 dodge Cummings and will never own a dodge again. That is my opinion we all have one, I guess I get sick of people talking trash about a truck that they don't own or drive. They just hear stuff and believe it all to be true :twocents: thanks for letting me vent.
People talk trash,because the 6.0 was a POS. There is no debating that. The 6.0 broke a decades long partnership between International and Ford.
You sure you owned a Dodge? If you did,you should know,theres no "g" at the end of Cummins.
Post by: bearpaw on December 31, 2010, 08:04:28 AM
At what temps should I plug the engine heater in overnight?
At colder temps (20 degrees or less) it starts hard if I forget to plug in. I may have to turn the key 4-5 times to warm the glow plugs, does this mean problems are brewing?
How long should the engine idle on freezing mornings before taking off?
How do I recognize if injectors are getting bad or if fuel pump is getting weak?
Thanks In Advance
Dale
Post by: Pathfinder101 on December 31, 2010, 08:27:55 AM
Post by: Woodchuck on December 31, 2010, 08:32:00 AM
Post by: jackelope on December 31, 2010, 08:44:07 AM
Yes I am sure I owned a dodge, I dumped more money in to that truck then I care to admit. Maybe you should be the spell check instead of the crappy one the site offers.What is with all the trashing on 6.0 diesels I own a 06 f250 with the 6.0 and love it, I will agree the 03 was a bad year for them being new and all but the 06 model has fewest warranty claims than any powerstroke. I have owned a 98 dodge Cummings and will never own a dodge again. That is my opinion we all have one, I guess I get sick of people talking trash about a truck that they don't own or drive. They just hear stuff and believe it all to be true :twocents: thanks for letting me vent.
People talk trash,because the 6.0 was a POS. There is no debating that. The 6.0 broke a decades long partnership between International and Ford.
You sure you owned a Dodge? If you did,you should know,theres no "g" at the end of Cummins.
The site's spell checker is not smart enough to know you were talking about "Cummins". Cummings is not spelled incorrectly...it's just not correct for the application. Spell check doesn't know that, but if Rick wants the job, he can have it too...I don't want to steal his thunder.
;)
Post by: bearpaw on December 31, 2010, 09:12:27 AM
1. At what temps should I plug the engine heater in overnight?
2. At colder temps (20 degrees or less) it starts hard if I forget to plug in. I may have to turn the key 4-5 times to warm the glow plugs, does this mean problems are brewing?
3. How long should the engine idle on freezing mornings before taking off?
4. How do I recognize if injectors are getting bad or if fuel pump is getting weak?
Post by: yelp on December 31, 2010, 09:18:30 AM
Not to thread jack, but since mileage has been a topic here I'll go ahead. I finished off my emissions delete this evening and I'm happy to report 15.2 mpg's on my short, up and down, stop and go 7 mile drive home from from work tonight. :IBCOOL: I should be golden on long hauls towing going camping or fishing. Oh, and for you gas lovers! The only ones I respect when I blast by em towing up vantage hill are the guys with the Chev 8.1's otherwise move over and enjoy my exhaust :chuckle: :chuckle:
MS
Thats what I have in my Chevy! The 8.1 with the Allison..I LOVE it!
Post by: VANANATOR on December 31, 2010, 09:25:02 AM
Post by: NWwildman on December 31, 2010, 09:36:41 AM
Post by: C-Money on December 31, 2010, 09:40:27 AM