Post by: Hyde on December 28, 2010, 05:48:20 PM
(Easties, we'll do one for you next time)
Post by: Huntbear on December 28, 2010, 05:57:40 PM
Oh, caliber would be the difficult part. Would have to decide between .308, 7mm-08, or .257 Roberts. All proven deer slayers.
Post by: jdb on December 28, 2010, 06:28:08 PM
Post by: JimmyHoffa on December 28, 2010, 06:37:20 PM
Post by: Wanttohuntmore on December 28, 2010, 06:53:08 PM
Post by: 700xcr on December 28, 2010, 08:03:53 PM
Post by: BigGoonTuna on December 28, 2010, 08:41:23 PM
Post by: Emptyhanded on December 28, 2010, 08:44:43 PM
Remington 700 stainless action
Pacnor barrel (stainless)
McMillan edge stock
.358 Win shooting 225 Grain Nosler Partitions
topped with a VXIII 2.5X8X36
Post by: wadu1 on December 28, 2010, 08:53:26 PM
:twocents:
Post by: danceswitharrows on December 28, 2010, 09:08:26 PM
Leouplod 3x9x50 glass
Post by: Jamieb on December 28, 2010, 09:16:01 PM
My remington 700 cdl in .257wby. I'm going to order a McMillan swirly for it when funds become available.
I like everything about this rifle and cartridge, the vx-III 3.5-10x40 in talley LW's are keepers too.
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv376%2Felkhunter%2FIMG_0504.jpg&hash=1998a18ee33e302df2eee3e2176d0259fe6eab8d)
Even though I really like this rifle, it isn't going to get the call for every hunt, I like rifles and have diffrent rifles for diffrent situations.
Post by: uncoolperson on December 28, 2010, 09:25:32 PM
http://winchestersutler.com/BCA_Scope.html#Winchester (http://winchestersutler.com/BCA_Scope.html#Winchester)
Post by: Kain on December 28, 2010, 09:36:35 PM
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Post by: Hyde on December 28, 2010, 09:38:15 PM
Post by: Hyde on December 28, 2010, 09:39:47 PM
I think I found it in a factory rifle for me.
My remington 700 cdl in .257wby. I'm going to order a McMillan swirly for it when funds become available.
I like everything about this rifle and cartridge, the vx-III 3.5-10x40 in talley LW's are keepers too.
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv376%2Felkhunter%2FIMG_0504.jpg&hash=1998a18ee33e302df2eee3e2176d0259fe6eab8d)
Even though I really like this rifle, it isn't going to get the call for every hunt, I like rifles and have diffrent rifles for diffrent situations.
If they made that in a lefty, I'd have one tomorrow. Sweet rig.
Post by: gadwall on December 28, 2010, 09:41:18 PM
My solution: (you said don't spare the money)
M-70 action trued and botface squred
Shilen or Lilja 26",ss, matte finish crowned barrel in one of the medium weight contours
Custom trigger job to the stock trigger (I have a buddy that can tune them to the nuts in his sleep)
HS precision or McMillan synthetic stock pillar bedded
Carl Kahles or Nightforce scope, the model doesn't really matter when you get into that kinda money for glass.
As far as the work, i'd have David Christman guns in Louisianna build it without question.
Post by: Jamieb on December 28, 2010, 09:41:23 PM
Post by: gadwall on December 28, 2010, 09:42:56 PM
Post by: jdb on December 29, 2010, 07:32:54 AM
Post by: jackelope on December 29, 2010, 07:48:06 AM
I think a $300 Savage Edge in 30-06 off the shelf would do the job just as well.
:dunno:
I shoulda kept it but I unloaded my idea of a great westside rifle...
Ruger m77 mkII in 7mm Mauser with a 1.5-6x Burris Signature Select scope. Sweet handling little rifle.
Post by: quadrafire on December 29, 2010, 07:58:19 AM
I shoulda kept it but I unloaded my idea of a great westside rifle...
Ruger m77 mkII in 7mm Mauser with a 1.5-6x Burris Signature Select scope. Sweet handling little rifle.
Thank you ;)
Post by: high country on December 29, 2010, 08:28:42 AM
I would aim high.....
stiller or surgeon or the like
brux, broughton or bartlein in any chambering because at 300yds it does not much matter.
drop it in an edge if you are looking light, or a mc swirly if you can handle the extra ounces......your choice of patterns
might as well have a S&B on top.
have gap build it and then it is worth a PILE of cash when you want to unload it and buy 10 abolts.
Post by: jackelope on December 29, 2010, 08:39:22 AM
good lord, you get the green light to build a rifle and choose an a bolt?
I would aim high.....
stiller or surgeon or the like
brux, broughton or bartlein in any chambering because at 300yds it does not much matter.
drop it in an edge if you are looking light, or a mc swirly if you can handle the extra ounces......your choice of patterns
might as well have a S&B on top.
have gap build it and then it is worth a PILE of cash when you want to unload it and buy 10 abolts.
Why would you do that for a 200 yard brush gun?
I understand the cool factor, is that it?
Post by: jackelope on December 29, 2010, 08:39:41 AM
Post by: high country on December 29, 2010, 08:45:15 AM
Post by: jackelope on December 29, 2010, 08:46:43 AM
see the last line.....lol. were it me, I would take a smith 460 revolver and kill lots o' chitHow much would the rifle you just designed cost from scratch?
Post by: PolarBear on December 29, 2010, 08:48:37 AM
Post by: high country on December 29, 2010, 08:55:44 AM
see the last line.....lol. were it me, I would take a smith 460 revolver and kill lots o' chitHow much would the rifle you just designed cost from scratch?
you would hav eabout 2-2.5k in parts. you could have mel put it together for you for another $150-200.....but if you have GAP do it, it would be another$200 on top of that....but the litte logo they put on the barrel sells. it mays shoot no different then mels, but come time to unload it it is worh the sum total of parts.....unless it wears certain names.
Post by: grundy53 on December 29, 2010, 08:58:12 AM
Post by: thinkingman on December 29, 2010, 09:05:31 AM
Tikka S/SS 7-08.
Light, weatherproof, enough cartridge for anything without claws inside of 250yds.
I would switch out my Burris scope for a Bushnell Elite 6500 2.5-16x42 with Rainguard on a deadnutz mount.
$1200.
Post by: GoldTip on December 29, 2010, 09:19:11 AM
Post by: jackelope on December 29, 2010, 09:26:52 AM
Post by: quadrafire on December 29, 2010, 09:38:41 AM
Post by: jackelope on December 29, 2010, 09:41:12 AM
These are legit questions on my end.
Post by: quadrafire on December 29, 2010, 09:43:07 AM
Post by: Rainstorm Hunter on December 29, 2010, 09:44:59 AM
Post by: PolarBear on December 29, 2010, 10:07:17 AM
Post by: grundy53 on December 29, 2010, 10:10:57 AM
.338 Lapua, 30" barrel, tripod, stainless, synthetic, 50 round magazine, 20 power Swarovski scope, target turrets.......
:chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :P and a wheels on it to roll it behind you?
Post by: jackelope on December 29, 2010, 10:19:19 AM
.338 Lapua, 30" barrel, tripod, stainless, synthetic, 50 round magazine, 20 power Swarski
Now we're talking...put a gun turret on top of the house and you wouldn't even have to leave the house.
Post by: high country on December 29, 2010, 10:23:30 AM
Post by: PolarBear on December 29, 2010, 10:29:20 AM
Post by: jdb on December 29, 2010, 11:15:16 AM
Don't know why you'd want a 16x scope in the jungle here either...to each his own I guess.im gonna have to agree sir.
Post by: JimmyHoffa on December 29, 2010, 11:24:16 AM
Post by: thinkingman on December 29, 2010, 11:46:45 AM
I already have it.OK...I edited it for anyone who missed the point...
Tikka S/SS 7-08.
Light, weatherproof, enough cartridge for anything without claws inside of 250yds.
I would switch out my Burris scope for a Bushnell Elite 6500 2.5-16x42 with Rainguard on a deadnutz mount.
$1200.
The OP said out to 300yds and I like being able to see details at that range.
A 90lb blackie isn't a very big target out there.
Post by: JackOfAllTrades on December 29, 2010, 12:29:25 PM
Marlin 338MXLR would be my base. If I have to spend money... then disassemble the action, have the bolt face trued to the chamber. Have the chamber polished. If there's a 338Marlin equivalent in Ackley Improved, ream it first or develope one. Take each part out of the action and mill the reciever so that there are no casting marks. Then build up all pivot and pin points, redrill/mill as necessary, blueprinting the reciever to 2% better than factory spec. Take every moving part and copy to be 1% larger with CNC machine, then shot peen every part with respective sized pellets. If here are any MIM or cast iron parts. Replace them with 440 stainless customs. Polish every piece with water blaster. Hand fit every piece using your only tool to be a CNC mill until the action slides like graphite in synthetic oil. Heat temper the sear and hammer. Might not need a trigger job at this point.. But what the hell. Black gunkote the reciever and barrel. Williams peep sights! I love wood, but I'd have to look for some sort of composite stock and Packmeyer Decelorator recoil system.
Some of you have absolutely no imagination!
-Steve
Post by: high country on December 29, 2010, 02:50:05 PM
lol
Post by: gadwall on December 29, 2010, 03:17:24 PM
I have a question and I am not being a smart azz but why build a rifle in 7mm08 w/ a 26" barrel? to my way of thinking a 7-08 should be a light handy rifle. A 26" barrel says "I wanna reach out there" if you want long range abilities I would think you would be better served by a bigger cartridge. again not trying to argue just interested in the reasoning.
The first reason is for the same reason we take on any gun project, because we want to and we can here in the USA. As some guys on here who've done alot of long range shooting will agree, you don't need a big cartridge to do great long range work. My reason for the 26" barrel is to make sure all the powder I am loading gets burned behind the bullet while in the barrel. Before some of my buddies and I had any magnums, we shot short actions in 6.5, 7-08 and 308 to 1000 yds and beyond with great results on game. Not everyone has the patience to learn how to do that, but it sure can be done.
Post by: gadwall on December 29, 2010, 03:19:33 PM
I shoulda kept it but I unloaded my idea of a great westside rifle...
Ruger m77 mkII in 7mm Mauser with a 1.5-6x Burris Signature Select scope. Sweet handling little rifle.
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The 7mm Mauser is a highly underrated cartridge in todays world.
Post by: Huntbear on December 29, 2010, 03:21:48 PM
Post by: gadwall on December 29, 2010, 03:24:10 PM
Post by: high country on December 29, 2010, 03:26:06 PM
Post by: uncoolperson on December 29, 2010, 03:51:51 PM
OK, just for fun, you have the green light from your "financial director" to build your dream rifle for hunting deer in the rainy west side.
just for fun, or do you have the green light?
Post by: denali on December 29, 2010, 04:11:59 PM
have one and I love it !!! 308/7.62 the ultimate brush gun
Post by: Kain on December 29, 2010, 04:47:52 PM
http://www.keltecweapons.com/our-guns/rifles/rfb/ (http://www.keltecweapons.com/our-guns/rifles/rfb/)
have one and I love it !!! 308/7.62 the ultimate brush gun
That is kinda heavy at over 11 pounds but other than that I like it.
Post by: yorketransport on December 29, 2010, 05:41:01 PM
For the record, you need at least a 416 to hunt deer around here. They have been known to charge unsuspecting hunters.
Post by: woodswalker on December 29, 2010, 05:51:21 PM
Chamber it in a .338 Federal Ackley Improved. OR maybe, just to be difficult chamber it in .358 Winchester AI.
All good to 300 and plenty of punch in close too...and about light/short enough to hump all day in the steep-n-deeps.
Post by: denali on December 29, 2010, 05:59:47 PM
http://www.keltecweapons.com/our-guns/rifles/rfb/ (http://www.keltecweapons.com/our-guns/rifles/rfb/)
have one and I love it !!! 308/7.62 the ultimate brush gun
That is kinda heavy at over 11 pounds but other than that I like it.
The carbine is #8 - single sling , easy to carry
Post by: jdb on December 29, 2010, 06:34:35 PM
Post by: Deep Forks on December 29, 2010, 10:02:38 PM
Post by: deerslyr on December 29, 2010, 10:12:53 PM
Ruger used to make an awesome lookin gun that I drooled over, it had a stainless 20 inch barrel with a shadow stalk and came in 300 wsm and 7/08 it even had the scope mounted further forward then usual for quick use in thick brush, I cant remember the name of the gun though. My other dream gun would be a stainless browning BLR takedown in 308 with leupy glass. I love those guns. When I used to hunt with rifle over here my go to gun was my stainless synthetic savage 270 topped with an alaskan guide 3.5-10x44, it was a fairly cheap gun that drives tacs and doesnt rust while being fairly light weight.
Post by: Deep Forks on December 29, 2010, 10:34:07 PM
I think a few of you guys have missed the point of this thread, its your DREAM gun with NO budget for the wet-side that would be practical for just about any situation you would encounter ie thick reprod open timber big clear cuts etc. I have a hard time beleiving anyones dream gun would be a $300 savage edge or a 30-30 levergun, but I could be wrong :chuckle:The Ruger you're referring to is a M77 mark II. I have a BLR ss in grey laminated stock chambered in 300wsm. Would still rather use my savage m99f in the brush, but that's just me. :)
Ruger used to make an awesome lookin gun that I drooled over, it had a stainless 20 inch barrel with a shadow stalk and came in 300 wsm and 7/08 it even had the scope mounted further forward then usual for quick use in thick brush, I cant remember the name of the gun though. My other dream gun would be a stainless browning BLR takedown in 308 with leupy glass. I love those guns. When I used to hunt with rifle over here my go to gun was my stainless synthetic savage 270 topped with an alaskan guide 3.5-10x44, it was a fairly cheap gun that drives tacs and doesnt rust while being fairly light weight.
Post by: deerslyr on December 29, 2010, 10:51:44 PM
Post by: JackOfAllTrades on December 29, 2010, 11:11:41 PM
-Steve
Post by: Hyde on December 29, 2010, 11:14:59 PM
just for fun, or do you have the green light?
Well, having built several project rifles, I can say it is very fun. And I always have the green light (and the ex wives to prove it) :chuckle:
I haven't heard anyone mention a Rogaurd finish (or the likes). I customized a Marlin 1895 in 45/70 with all the slick bells and whistles, including a Leupy scout scope in QRW rings, ghost ring backups, oversized loop handle, aluminum follower, I took the silly crossbolt safety gizmo out, and sent it off to Robar for the Rogaurd/NP3 treatment. The only thing I didn't get to was a custom synthetic stock. My wife's sister fought a nasty battle with leukemia, (no health ins), so we were liquidating any and everything possible to keep her in treatment. That rifle was one of many that went down the road. I never hunted with it. I would call it pretty close to a perfect Northwest brush gun, but the 45/70 is lacking much past 200 yards, which takes it out of the race in my scenario here.
I like the 358 Winchester idea, that seems like a great heavy hitter for brush country. Not "dainty" at all. That's what I'm looking for. How does it perform out past 200? Will it perform in a 22 inch barrel? I'm also thinking of the 308 win.
Post by: Hyde on December 29, 2010, 11:23:34 PM
Man the model 99 was my first love.
I hear you there. My first encounter with a 99 was when I was 13. It was my first rifle, in 308. My Pops had one in .284 win, which is what I wanted, but there were none to be found when it was my turn to get one. I found one in .284 some years later and bought it for 200.00. I took it home, and my Pops IMMEDIATELY claimed it. He wanted it to go with his other one, and he still has both today (he used the ol' "you'll get them all back some day" trick on me). Those are worth a small fortune today, and both have accounted for many meals.
I love the 99. I wish they would make a comeback.
Post by: Kain on December 30, 2010, 10:42:01 AM
1. Weather proof. Either SS or good coating on metal. Synthetic stock.
2. Light, short and fast. Brush is thick, gates are locked, animals dont stand around.
3. Heavy round nose bullet. Not easily deflected by a blade of grass or small twigs. Long range is not a priority.
4. Knockdown overkill. :chuckle: I hate tracking blood trails through thick brush and most days it is raining hard enough to loose a trail very fast.
Optional: Fast follow up shot if needed. Its just nice.
I think the lever actions with open sites or a 3x9 scope with good fog proofing is great.
The AR I posted earlier is very appealing to me but that is just a personal preference.
A slug gun would fit the bill very nicely also.
Sounds pretty boring but I would take all the money saved and buy other top of the line gear instead. Packs, camo and so on.
Post by: Alchase on December 30, 2010, 12:19:35 PM
First off, you do not need a different rifle for hunting the West (or wet) side vs hunting the east side. Unless you just want to buy another rifle. Anyone who says you need a brush gun on the west side is buying in to the brush gun myth. There are tons of info out there that shows no discernible difference shooting larger caliber or heavier grain vs smaller caliber and lighter grain while hunting in heavy brush. Are you actually planning on shooting through the brush? Yes many people have hunted the west side with 30-30 levers. And short barrelled carbines. I would bet 10 times that many use any of the common hunting calibers in a bolt action or semi's that they would also use on the east side. As for scopes, hunting thick brush with a good scope increases you chances of seeing the ear or tail flick in my opinion. A good stainless/synthetic would probably be better suited for the wet, but for generations hunters used only blued and wood.
To sum it up, buy what you can afford that can be utilized for the most possible uses. If a 30-30 lever fits that, then more power to you. If I was choosing one rifle it would be stainless/synthetic (but a blued/wood stock rifle would shoot just as well just not as weather proof) in a suitable caliber then go with as nice of a scope as you can afford.
Sorry I do not believe the "myth" of a brush gun need for hunting washington. Alaska, in bear country ya.
Post by: Alchase on December 30, 2010, 12:28:21 PM
Sako, Finlight (stainless/composite), 300 win mag, curently with a Leopold VXIII.
If I would change anything with no budget worries it would be a Swarovski Z6i Illuminated 3-18x50 scope.
http://www.opticsplanet.net/swarovski-illuminated-riflescope-z6i-3-18x50.html (http://www.opticsplanet.net/swarovski-illuminated-riflescope-z6i-3-18x50.html)
Post by: grundy53 on December 30, 2010, 12:35:23 PM
Well, here are my :twocents:
First off, you do not need a different rifle for hunting the West (or wet) side vs hunting the east side. Unless you just want to buy another rifle. Anyone who says you need a brush gun on the west side is buying in to the brush gun myth. There are tons of info out there that shows no discernible difference shooting larger caliber or heavier grain vs smaller caliber and lighter grain while hunting in heavy brush. Are you actually planning on shooting through the brush? Yes many people have hunted the west side with 30-30 levers. And short barrelled carbines. I would bet 10 times that many use any of the common hunting calibers in a bolt action or semi's that they would also use on the east side. As for scopes, hunting thick brush with a good scope increases you chances of seeing the ear or tail flick in my opinion. A good stainless/synthetic would probably be better suited for the wet, but for generations hunters used only blued and wood.
To sum it up, buy what you can afford that can be utilized for the most possible uses. If a 30-30 lever fits that, then more power to you. If I was choosing one rifle it would be stainless/synthetic (but a blued/wood stock rifle would shoot just as well just not as weather proof) in a suitable caliber then go with as nice of a scope as you can afford.
Sorry I do not believe the "myth" of a brush gun need for hunting washington. Alaska, in bear country ya.
i agree. except i would go with the larger caliber not for shooting through brush but for the knock down power. as we all know it rains a lot over here and i don't want to have to try to follow a blood trail too long in pouring down rain. other then that you are correct. but i do prefer a shorter barrel over here just for when i'm crawling through the brush. and yes i usually use the same guns east and west.
Post by: JackOfAllTrades on December 30, 2010, 12:49:45 PM
i agree. except i would go with the larger caliber not for shooting through brush but for the knock down power. as we all know it rains a lot over here and i don't want to have to try to follow a blood trail too long in pouring down rain. other then that you are correct. but i do prefer a shorter barrel over here just for when i'm crawling through the brush. and yes i usually use the same guns east and west.
Yup!
Post by: Kain on December 30, 2010, 12:55:54 PM
A "brush gun" is not really a myth more than a misused term. IMO a brush gun would be short, light, large caliber with fast targeting. Something probably needed more in Africa and Alaska for defensive purposes. :chuckle:
Post by: Alchase on December 30, 2010, 01:01:27 PM
http://www.outdoorlife.com/articles/gear/2007/09/knockdown-power (http://www.outdoorlife.com/articles/gear/2007/09/knockdown-power)
Post by: CAMPMEAT on December 30, 2010, 01:24:02 PM
Post by: Kain on December 30, 2010, 01:30:28 PM
I think Carmichel says it best right here, I tend to agree with him
http://www.outdoorlife.com/articles/gear/2007/09/knockdown-power (http://www.outdoorlife.com/articles/gear/2007/09/knockdown-power)
The article kinda falls apart at the end and he never really came to a conclusion other than knockdown power is a myth? Maybe I should reread it. Whatever you call it, knockdown power, stopping power or whatever, you cant tell me caliber and bullet dont have differences in effectiveness. If you dont need a bullet to perform at long range you have a lot more options to play with. Try to find a bullet/caliber that performs at the ranges you need it to and transfers as much energy to the animals as possible for maximum damage. If nothing else a bigger bullet makes a bigger hole. :chuckle:
Post by: grundy53 on December 30, 2010, 01:46:32 PM
I think Carmichel says it best right here, I tend to agree with him
http://www.outdoorlife.com/articles/gear/2007/09/knockdown-power (http://www.outdoorlife.com/articles/gear/2007/09/knockdown-power)
The article kinda falls apart at the end and he never really came to a conclusion other than knockdown power is a myth? Maybe I should reread it. Whatever you call it, knockdown power, stopping power or whatever, you cant tell me caliber and bullet dont have differences in effectiveness. If you dont need a bullet to perform at long range you have a lot more options to play with. Try to find a bullet/caliber that performs at the ranges you need it to and transfers as much energy to the animals as possible for maximum damage. If nothing else a bigger bullet makes a bigger hole. :chuckle:
:yeah:
Post by: Wanttohuntmore on December 30, 2010, 09:08:02 PM
Post by: bankwalker on December 30, 2010, 09:13:15 PM
if shots are around 100-300 go with the 2-7x or 6x. and for dense areas go with a 2-7x or 4x. keep it a compact scope.
the options are endless but there isnt any real advantage with one or the other. the scope is the big difference with average shot distances in the specific area and type of hunting you will be doing. a 4x will suck for shots past 200yds and a 6x will suck for dense cover.
a litgher rifle will be nice for hiking through brush all day long. or for hilly areas
Post by: CAMPMEAT on December 30, 2010, 09:43:23 PM
You all with your brush guns, open sights, and poor ballistic coefficient bullets must not hunt anything but brush on the westside. You're missing out on some of the long range shooting we have in the clearcuts. I'll take a scope (with butler creek flip caps), a stainless bolt gun, in a 30 cal or 7mm cal anyday over a lever gun. I own a big bore m94, but more for fun than for use.
That's all there is to hunt over there, brushy clearcuts. I used to live over in hell 10 years ago. :chuckle: :chuckle:
I have long range shooters for over here in paradise. :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: Wanttohuntmore on January 01, 2011, 08:47:53 AM
Post by: high country on January 01, 2011, 10:02:18 AM
every man deserves at least one rifle he can't afford.
Post by: 2506 on January 01, 2011, 06:26:18 PM