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Equipment & Gear => Guns and Ammo => Topic started by: splitshot on January 01, 2011, 10:22:23 PM

Title: brake, break?
Post by: splitshot on January 01, 2011, 10:22:23 PM: do they make a 50% muzzle brake or is it all or none. i have one on my 7 and it is deafening but is sure nice to the body. mww
Title: Re: brake, break?
Post by: JackOfAllTrades on January 01, 2011, 10:26:15 PM: There are several muzzle brake designs out there. Some are louder/not as loud, some reduce recoil more/less. If you can't handle the recoil of a magnum rifle without a muzzle brake, the best thing is a better recoil pad/system. There's no reason to go deaf shooting one.

-Steve
Title: Re: brake, break?
Post by: Antlershed on January 01, 2011, 10:28:00 PM: Quote from: splitshot on January 01, 2011, 10:22:23 PM
do they make a 50% muzzle brake or is it all or none. i have one on my 7 and it is deafening but is sure nice to the body. mww
Get some good ear plugs to wear EVERY time you shoot your rifle. :twocents:
Title: Re: brake, break?
Post by: yorketransport on January 01, 2011, 10:31:25 PM: :yeah:

The recoil reduction of the brake is not worth the added noise and blast. Some are better than others, but they're all pretty punishing in the noise department.

Put on a nice recoil pad and try the rifle. If it's still too much, consider a lesser caliber. :twocents:

Andrew
Title: Re: brake, break?
Post by: splitshot on January 01, 2011, 10:36:48 PM: can i take the brake off with no damage to the rifle.? mww
Title: Re: brake, break?
Post by: JimmyHoffa on January 01, 2011, 10:40:34 PM: I think the highest rated muzzlebrake is at 57%. They make a big difference in recoil, but the design can definitely up the noise. For example if you shoot something with a brake like they have on the Barrett .50 BMG, the shooter doesn't get it that bad, but the person 3 ft left or right will get a blast of sound and a 'warm breeze'.
Title: Re: brake, break?
Post by: Lowedog on January 01, 2011, 10:44:13 PM: I made some threaded caps to cover the threads on the barrel for several rifles including my model 70 with the BOSS. I actually made a brake for a buddy's rifle with a sleeve that you could turn to close the holes when you were hunting. For me the only time I use the muzzle brake is when developing a load at the bench.
Title: Re: brake, break?
Post by: carpsniperg2 on January 01, 2011, 10:44:34 PM: Quote from: JimmyHoffa on January 01, 2011, 10:40:34 PM
For example if you shoot something with a brake like they have on the Barrett .50 BMG, the shooter doesn't get it that bad, but the person 3 ft left or right will get a blast of sound and a 'warm breeze'.

:chuckle: You still get it if you are shooting prone in the dirt :chuckle: I call Barrett's slapers for a reason :chuckle:
Title: Re: brake, break?
Post by: elkslayer069 on January 02, 2011, 05:04:46 PM: I can say not good for truck hoods either lol
Title: Re: brake, break?
Post by: Alchase on January 02, 2011, 05:51:26 PM: Quote from: carpsniperg2 on January 01, 2011, 10:44:34 PM
Quote from: JimmyHoffa on January 01, 2011, 10:40:34 PM
For example if you shoot something with a brake like they have on the Barrett .50 BMG, the shooter doesn't get it that bad, but the person 3 ft left or right will get a blast of sound and a 'warm breeze'.

:chuckle: You still get it if you are shooting prone in the dirt :chuckle: I call Barrett's slapers for a reason :chuckle:
All the Barretts I shot had flash suppressors (or hiders) not muzzle brakes, brake, deflect gas to reduce recoil and hop, while the flash suppressors do reduce hop, they do nothing for recoil that I know of.
Title: Re: brake, break?
Post by: carpsniperg2 on January 02, 2011, 08:54:21 PM: All the ones i have shot, have muzzle brakes on them. You are right, the flash suppressors don't do much or anything for recoil. I like the fish gill brakes better 8)
Title: Re: brake, break?
Post by: gadwall on January 03, 2011, 09:09:23 PM: I Like the fish gill type brake too. I think brakes have a place, particularly on the big pounders like 7mm STW and up, for those that are recoil sensitive but still want to get the full potential out of those cartridges. I have shot custom brakes that were not made by a well known company but instead by a brilliant machinist in his home shop that were more effective than anything on the market at the time. It all depends on how much the manufacturer knows about the physics building a brake to reduce recoil.

Gadwall
Title: Re: brake, break?
Post by: deerslyr on January 09, 2011, 06:18:46 PM: are the removable brakes that thread in to your barrel any good?
Title: Re: brake, break?
Post by: bod on January 10, 2011, 01:38:01 PM: I had a tikka t3 338 win mag and had a holland quick discharge brake put on deafining so I took the brake off and point of impact changed to seven inches higher luckily I checked. So having a brake to sight in with and take it off to hunt probably wouldn't work in most situations.
Title: Re: brake, break?
Post by: Skillet on January 10, 2011, 02:02:10 PM: Your shoulder will heal. Your ears will not.
Remove the brake and get a recoil pad...
Title: Re: brake, break?
Post by: whacker1 on January 10, 2011, 02:37:29 PM: Here is my two cents. I have researched brakes quite a bit for my 300 RUM. I have shot the 300 RUM with a VAIS Brake and without. The VAIS brake on my buddy's 300 RUM actually produces the same noise that my Savage in 270 win mag produces. It also produces less recoil than the 300 RUM with the VAIS brake. The VAIS Brake is the only one that I have found that vents down range. However, It doesn't give as much relief as some of the other Brakes do.

The other option I was strongly considering is the Defensive Edge. The Defensive Edge reduces more recoil according to most users than the VAIS Brake, but I can not comment on the noise levels, as I haven't shot with it yet. I was going to have a Defensive Edge put on last summer, but decided to wait. I wanted to shoot heavier bullets, but decided to stick with the 168 grain for the time being.

The Defensive Edge is supposed to allow you to shoot in the prone position without kicking all the Dirt from beneath you as it only vents to the sides. The VAIS brake vents both down range and has vents all the way around like a tradtional brake.

These are the two front runners I was leaning towards - I was actually gravitating toward the Defensive Edge, because they are just 30 minutes drive from me and I do not have a relationship with another gunsmith that I would feel comfortable asking to install a VAIS brake, so I would end up sending my gun to Texas if I chose the VAIS route. The cost are very similar from one against the other.

www.muzzlebrakes.com (http://www.muzzlebrakes.com)
under the frequently asked questions there is a link to a test that an individual did with decibel meter with the VAIS brakes on his personal guns vs. guns without.

http://www.defensiveedge.net/products/products.htm (http://www.defensiveedge.net/products/products.htm)