Hunting Washington Forum
Other Hunting => Coyote, Small Game, Varmints => Topic started by: cky2k897 on January 04, 2011, 07:44:02 PM
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What calls are being used this time of year Im using a cotton tail im hearing more and more about howlers trying to figure out what they are coming in on.
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i use mostly open reed calls you can make so many different sounds with them, i dont think when i call i really even sound like any cottantail or jack rabbit, i do seem to have a lot of mule deer come in tho lol i must sound like a fawn in distress some what, howlers are great and i use them but be careful with them you can ruin a stand really fast with one if you dont know what kind of howls you are makin with it, coyote pups in distress seem to work pretty good sometimes if you got a stubborn coyote, they work great in the spring too, good luck
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Good thread to start. Any insure from the "pros" would be appreciated by all I'm sure. I was out on Monday & saw 7 dogs. The first two were at least 600 yards out. They appeared to be mousing & showed no interest in my rabbit distress at all. I stayed on that stand for about 30 minutes calling for one to two minutes every 4 or 5. I moved a couple hundred yards and saw a third dog that was mousing for sure. I tried rabbit, pup distress, female howls, challenge howls coyote pair. He looked my way a couple times but just continued about his business. Is it possible that if they have a good food source they just won't come in? I've also heard of territory boundaries. At the time I was calling this one I noticed 3 more about a half mile out. As far as I could tell they were looking my direction but that is all. I started heading back to the truck and decided I would make one more stand before I left. I started with cotton tail distress and immediately had one start coming in. Then another from the opposite direction. They both covered 300 to 400 yards. I lost site of the second one but the first one held up 500 to 600 yards out. He would have had to cross a dirt road to get to me but I don't think that would have stopped him. I switched to pup distress & sent him in the opposite direction. I'm at a loss. If any of you east side pros would like to come out to my spot and show me what I'm doing wrong I would b more than happy to accommodate. Hell, ill even drive & leave my gun in the truck. I just need some direction.
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Anybody ever watch Randy Andersons videos ? I have all of his CD's and they are very, very good to watch. Alot of tips for any and all
callers out here. Get one, buy some beer and watch 1 or 2.
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Jackrabbit gave me 2 and a miss on Sat. Came right in.
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How long are you calling and how long are you waiting between calls?
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It seems you are looking for info and a GREAT place to soak in all you can is predatormasters forums. If you do a search, you will have months worth of reading.
Good Luck and don't be afraid to ask here, just that there aren't that many of us here compared to there.
Cheers!
Gringo
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:)In my opinion howling is the most difficult kind of calling to do, but can be VERY effective. It will produce when nothing else does. At this time of year I am just starting to howl every stand. I am working into lots of coyote and pup distress right now. I listen to foxpro howls alot then try to make that sound. Even if you do not like electronic callers for hunting they can teach you alot. Mouth calls are like playing a musical instrument, you gotta practice, keep your call tuned and you are gonna screw up, get a "squawk" when you want a "squeek", :chuckle: but keep calling when you do.
Carl
ps: some folks like the "Predator Masters" site, some think it is a joke. now "coyote gods" is pathetic!
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Bofire, what howls are you using. Will you switch calls on the same stand? For instance, a rabbit distress isnt working, will you switch to pup distress? When you are actually calling, how long do you do it for and long do you wait before you start again?
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howls are named different things on different sites. I like "female invitation" calls and "lonesome howls" using Foxpro names, I have had no luck with "challenge" howls. Yes I switch sounds, I almost never use Rabbit sounds, my go to is Puppies, whimpering sounds. it all depends on the stand. Close cover/short quiet stands, BIG VALLEYS, big loud sounds. I like bird sounds. I use a little call, mouth call, I call a "peeper" alot. lots of peeps, and little squeals.
The time thing: here is my view: I call a lot, I hunt a lot, I like it. So time is not important, I may call and sit, doze off, call again. I might hurry a bit?? I like to take walks in a large circle (5-10 miles), I like to sit and look, I am out to have fun. Since I have adopted this attitude, about 6 years ago, my kill rate has gone way UP!! :IBCOOL: LOL, sounds wrong but it is true.
I want to qualify this, I am no expert, I dont know nuthin, I dont like taking and posting pics, I aint never seen a coyote, I know no "hot spots' or killer sounds, I miss all I shoot at, I am a total *censored* that dont take nobody hunting, other then that I am just a loveable guy, that has been burned.
Carl
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Thanks Carl. Like I said early in this post, I'm seeing the dogs I just can't get them to close the distance. I'm wearing camo, I'm showered in non sent soap, clothes are washed in non sent detergent and I'm using the fox pro. I'm sure with trial and error it'll all come together, I'm just trying to get as much input as I can.
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:)Change yer angle, if ya been trying to call them up, switch to down, if calling straight up the draw or down, try a 90 degreee angle, watching the wind of course. figure out a different approach, might take alot of walking. Do you hunt alone? If you have a partner try to set up an ambush, you are calling and yer partner is cross wind or down wind, depending on terrain, and a ways away (50 yards to 500 yards). Best advide I ever heard was "slime yer way in and slime yer way out" :chuckle:
Carl
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Carl has the right idea , have fun and you will relax , when you relax you make fewer mistakes with set up and getting into your set . why you ask , cause you will not be in such a hurry youll take your time and think things thru before you make a move . calling is not a sport to be hurried , you MUST have patience .
you have to be willing to put in the time , walk the extra 1/2 mile to a stand and learn your ground intimately
I have guided many folks that had been calling for up to two years and had never seen a coyote you are fortunate to have already passed that point.
you can ask for guidance, but the real answer to calling is to get out in the field and figure out what works for YOU IN YOUR AREAS.
for know i suggest you stay away from the howling , if your using a e caller , just stick with a interrogation or female howl ----Just one on the beginning of the set and wait for a few minutes . be patient and dont hurry things , this is not the easiest time of year to be calling coyotes unless your calling virgin ears . by now most all coyotes have heard the dying bunny blues more then once and were possibly shot at or smelled something that put them in alarm mode ( educated) . use diffrent types of distress , birds, kittens , fawn etc . there is a calling seminar in the tricities this weekend , you might want to attend as im sure it would answer some of your questions . I hop this helps , Jerry .
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In the area that I'm in, I have seen more rodents in fields, pastures, and crp this year, than I have in a long time. I watched one coyote this afternoon listen to my call, with his ears perked up, and looking all excited. He drops off the hill and comes toward about 30 yds., catches a rodent, lays down and eats it, then gets up and walks back up and over the hill going the other way. Go figure. :twocents:
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The Randy Anderson how-to videos are posted here.
http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,59067.0.html (http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,59067.0.html)
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Anyone using CROW calls or Quail anything like that for dogs and cats?
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I have used chicken distress, woodpecker and blue jay. My go to bobcat sequence starts with rodent squeaks.
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I usually start with a howl or couple of barks just to get the attention of any dogs in the area - then I start with a rabbit distress. I use both, mouth calls and elec calls, I'll blow till I get tired then hit the button. I switch calls all the time and it has worked. I have had no luck the last 3 times out other than the one we called in and then it spooked off the last time out on Sunday. But got one each of the last 5-6 times out. The last one I shot I called 3 or 4 different calls and then after about 45 min I used a cottontail call I never used before and a female came out.
I also used to worry about the scent, cover scents, and all that and I now I dont really worry about it at all. I'll deep fry a batch of fries & hot dog in my camo then go hunt and call in a dog! Maybe they like fries? :chuckle: Seems no matter what if they catch wind of you or even your cover scent you are busted. I soaked my rabbit decoy in rabbit urine and when a dog got down wind of it - it ran. I sprayed cover spray around the decoy - they got wind of it - booked. I think no matter how hard you try to cover your scent they can smell it. Best just to stay down wind of them no matter what. Lately it has been dead calm so that helps too!
I've never had a dog come into howl or bark, just answer. Never had a dog come into pup yips or distress either. Always a rodent or rabbit distress.
But I am still new to this, about 10 months in to my 1st year, maybe 15-16 times out total, about 9-10 dogs called in and 6 of them are dead. Huge thanks to PredatorPro for getting me my first dog and getting the ball rolling. Thanks to BIGINNER for great spots, Carpsniper, Bofire, and Gringo31 and lots of other guys giving me invaluable info.
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Yea I dont mess with the scent either its like you said no matter what your going to be sniffed out if your downwind. I havn't used any bird calls but I keep hearing they work pretty good seems people always say the crow and wood pecker.
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Crows and Ravens are a signal to a coyote that something is dead. That's why the crow call works, on occasion. Yote's like an easy meal, don't we all.
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Thanks for all the input guys. I will take all of your info & put it in my bag of tricks. My offer still stands if anyone would like to join me in my ventures. I don't guarantee you will shoot one but I'm fairly sure you will see one. Thanks again guys.
