Post by: deerslyr on January 08, 2011, 12:00:19 PM
Post by: ribka on January 08, 2011, 12:24:33 PM
Can pick one up for around $625. Would buy after market rings like Tally or Warne . Less than $700 spent for a very good, accurate proven rifle
Post by: Hyde on January 08, 2011, 08:41:58 PM
Post by: bobcat on January 08, 2011, 08:49:21 PM
Post by: deerslyr on January 08, 2011, 09:05:17 PM
300 win mag or wsm. But why on earth would someone want only one rifle?
Because I dont have alot of money, im primarily an archer and would rather spend my money on optics than a bunch of guns that do the same thing as one can.
Post by: JimmyHoffa on January 08, 2011, 09:12:25 PM
Post by: Sneaky on January 08, 2011, 09:22:23 PM
Tikka T 3 stainless lite in 300 mag, 300 wsm or 30-06 . Some will suggest 7mm
Can pick one up for around $625. Would buy after market rings like Tally or Warne . Less than $700 spent for a very good, accurate proven rifle
I will be first to recommend 7mm! I agree with this post.
Post by: carpsniperg2 on January 08, 2011, 09:34:33 PM
Post by: high country on January 08, 2011, 09:34:48 PM
Post by: bobcat on January 08, 2011, 09:37:14 PM
Beware the man with one gun. Just guessing here...but you likely don't reload and not shoot a ton. I would stay away from the big Magnus....rum, 338,etc. The 30-06 is a proven killer to way out. The level of recoil is a bit more forgiving and will likely get you to shoot more. Nothing wrong with a big magnum...but they do beat on you a g good bite.
:yeah: You WILL NOT regret buying a 30-06. You could get by your whole life with nothing other than a bolt action 30-06 for all your big game hunting.
Post by: 6x6in6 on January 08, 2011, 09:39:20 PM
As far as the etc's, I like both my 7mmRM in the Tikka or the Ruger M77.
Post by: Sneaky on January 08, 2011, 09:46:47 PM
Of the 4 you listed, I'd do the 300WM in a Tikka.
As far as the etc's, I like both my 7mmRM in the Tikka or the Ruger M77.
Have shot two ruger 77's (7mm and 25-06) both rifles just felt right to me. My dad has a tikka t3 stainless LH .308 and has killed several deer with it. Both the rugers and the tikka are tack drivers!
Post by: 6x6in6 on January 08, 2011, 09:58:36 PM
Post by: Huntbear on January 08, 2011, 10:07:44 PM
Post by: 7mag. on January 08, 2011, 10:12:29 PM
Post by: bearpaw on January 08, 2011, 10:15:32 PM
Post by: 44 Flattop on January 08, 2011, 10:45:39 PM
Post by: Bigshooter on January 08, 2011, 10:48:21 PM
30-06.
:yeah:
Post by: Jburke on January 08, 2011, 11:39:04 PM
Post by: mtncook on January 09, 2011, 12:16:02 AM
I have been shooting a .280 since 1974, also proven on all the game mentioned. Recoil about the same on both. The .280 is 7mm I'm sure many of you know this but some might learn it here.
mtncook
Post by: deerslyr on January 09, 2011, 12:27:56 PM
What does everyone think of savages new accustock?
Post by: JimmyHoffa on January 09, 2011, 01:09:32 PM
Post by: deerslyr on January 09, 2011, 03:26:00 PM
What ive come up with that I like and is in my budget are the savage 116 (already have one and I like it) and the tikka t3 (already mentioned) in either 300 win or 300wsm. Ive looked into the Abolts a bit and also the Remingtons but I dont have alot of experience with them compared to the savage and tikka. Also im not sure what would be better the wsm or the win mag. Both have there pros and cons but I dont reload and im not sure if the price of factory ammo is worth it for the wsm.
Post by: bobcat on January 09, 2011, 03:42:42 PM
But really it sounds like what you need is a 338 Win Mag. For longer range shooting a 225 grain Accubond or a 210 or 225 grain Barnes would be great elk medicine. At least with the 338 you'll have something with a definite advantage over your 270 and 30-06.
Post by: 7mag. on January 09, 2011, 03:45:44 PM
Post by: WDFW-SUX on January 09, 2011, 03:48:34 PM
Post by: deerslyr on January 09, 2011, 03:51:05 PM
Post by: WDFW-SUX on January 09, 2011, 03:52:25 PM
Post by: bobcat on January 09, 2011, 03:57:36 PM
Post by: carpsniperg2 on January 09, 2011, 03:58:34 PM
Then comes the other factor, wieght. Is the 338 gunna be alot heavier than the 300 win??
nope it all depends on the gun. If you get, say a tikka t3. the 338wm and 300wm should be very close to the same weight maybe a tiny bit of difference.
Post by: ADAMS on January 09, 2011, 04:05:41 PM
Practically speaking though, the .270 Win is a great cartridge.
Post by: Straight Shooter on January 09, 2011, 07:22:43 PM
I already have a 270 and 30/06 and I want a bit more knockdown power than that of a 30/06 for some extended range shots on elk. I shoot a good amount and recoil doesnt bother me much. thanks for all answers guys keep em comin.
What does everyone think of savages new accustock?
If your looking for just a "bit" more knockdown power. Why not just try the Hornady Light Magnum ammo. You can get into the magnum power-range without having to buy another rifle/scope. An '06 has plenty of punch as-is... unless your talking about "Best of the West"-type shots.
Post by: Thenewguy on January 09, 2011, 07:46:59 PM
I already have a 270 and 30/06 and I want a bit more knockdown power than that of a 30/06 for some extended range shots on elk. I shoot a good amount and recoil doesnt bother me much. thanks for all answers guys keep em comin.
What does everyone think of savages new accustock?
If your looking for just a "bit" more knockdown power. Why not just try the Hornady Light Magnum ammo. You can get into the magnum power-range without having to buy another rifle/scope. An '06 has plenty of punch as-is... unless your talking about "Best of the West"-type shots.
I have used this ammo and it works great. With my 7mm-08 i should 6 inch's higher at 300 yards. pretty significant
Post by: 280ackley on January 09, 2011, 07:55:08 PM
Post by: Huntbear on January 09, 2011, 08:14:24 PM
It is not to much for long range deer, or for elk, or bear, and moose. My handloads go 2950 with a 210 gr. bullet. Nice and flat shooting.
Post by: deerslyr on January 09, 2011, 08:15:42 PM
Post by: wadu1 on January 09, 2011, 08:29:55 PM
Bobcat is right on, no regrets with a 30-06. When your talking 300+ yards its not the cartridge it will be the optics and the shooter.Beware the man with one gun. Just guessing here...but you likely don't reload and not shoot a ton. I would stay away from the big Magnus....rum, 338,etc. The 30-06 is a proven killer to way out. The level of recoil is a bit more forgiving and will likely get you to shoot more. Nothing wrong with a big magnum...but they do beat on you a g good bite.
:yeah: You WILL NOT regret buying a 30-06. You could get by your whole life with nothing other than a bolt action 30-06 for all your big game hunting.
Post by: C-Money on January 09, 2011, 08:51:18 PM
Post by: Straight Shooter on January 09, 2011, 08:55:23 PM
To be honest im a bit skeptical of an 06 punching through the shoulder of an elk at 300+ yards regardless of the ammo and I want a gun that can do just that.How many 300+ yards shots do you plan on taking? I've hunted for over 25 years and consider myself to be a pretty good shot... don't think that I would attempt a 300+ yard shot on a big game animal unless conditions were perfect (and I absolutely couldn't get any closer)... doesn't matter if I had a .243, .30-06, .300 Win Mag or .338 Lapua. With the right shot placement and the right bullet, the time-proven '06 will do its job... if you do yours. :twocents: I guess its your choice and your money.
Post by: EDT on January 09, 2011, 09:49:26 PM
Post by: bobcat on January 09, 2011, 09:54:58 PM
Post by: JimmyHoffa on January 09, 2011, 10:06:21 PM
To be honest im a bit skeptical of an 06 punching through the shoulder of an elk at 300+ yards regardless of the ammo and I want a gun that can do just that.
An '06 will penetrate. This is more a funtion of bullet design than cartridge. There are a few minds that think the '06 will pass through large animals better than its bigger brothers. Bullets typically have an ideal velocity for their performance. Too fast and they will explode with little penetration (from a large retained slug). Too slow and they may pass right through with out expanding much at all. If you match the right bullet to the gun/velocity/range, you can outperform many 'ideal' cartridges.
Post by: DRobnsn on January 09, 2011, 10:57:48 PM
Personally I have never owned one, I have shot them in many configurations though. I will most likely never buy one for the simple fact that it's just not my cup of tea. Absolutely nothing against it but I have no need for it.
I really like my 7mm RUM its fun to shoot and doesn't beat up your shoulder nearly as bad as some say, keep in mind I am a big guy though. I also have a 300wsm and its a great shooter as well. I like packing it mostly cause it's the lightest bigger cal. gun I have. If I were shooting long range with a 30. cal my choice would be the win mag over the WSM though, they just perform better with long bullets and hot loads.
For long range I'll still stick with my RUM.
I can see myself in the future wanting a bigger bullet mainly cause I like guns and collecting them is fun. My next choice at this time would probably be the 338 Lapua it looks like a fun round for long range shooting.
I will also throw in a vote for the Rem 700. Great guns and the aftermarket is HUGE for them.
Post by: EDT on January 09, 2011, 11:09:18 PM
But guys, he already has a 30-06 and wants something that's better at killing elk at long range. Which is why I said 338.
just spend time working on shot placement with the 06 or 270, and get a new Hoyt for next season. But if you Absolutely have to buy a new gun, I guess the 338 will do.
Post by: bobcat on January 09, 2011, 11:13:46 PM
Post by: Bean Counter on January 10, 2011, 12:05:58 AM
Yeah I know, and I am one who recommended the 30-06, until he said he already had one. Who am I to try to talk someone into NOT buying a new rifle, because he doesn't NEED it? ??? :dunno:
Except at the cost of financial recklessness and irresponsibility, I am always a fan of owning more guns! Americans who have five hunting rifles in the safe and no home defense, personal carry, or end of the world guns make me go :dunno: Money only goes so far, and I think its good to cover all the bases.
A few years ago I posted this same question. Many of you were kind enough to offer insights. A few parsed ballistics charts, powder charges, and weight retention, and others asked what was wrong with my current gun. I determined that my money was better spent on target practice. I wound up sticking with my one big game hunting rifle and think it was absolutely the best choice I could have made.
The caliber? You guessed it: .30-06
Post by: C-Money on January 10, 2011, 06:43:04 AM
Post by: high country on January 10, 2011, 07:12:06 AM
Post by: bobcat on January 10, 2011, 07:37:22 AM
Post by: jackelope on January 10, 2011, 08:03:48 AM
Post by: bobcat on January 10, 2011, 08:10:54 AM
I already have the 1 gun...how many barrels can I get?
??? :dunno:
Post by: Skillet on January 10, 2011, 08:23:43 AM
I already have the 1 gun...how many barrels can I get?
??? :dunno:
Encore :chuckle:
As said by many here, you already have the gun you need in the '06. Spend the time practicing with it and you'll be much a much deadlier hunter than the guy shooting a whizbang ".204/.600 Super Ultra Long Westly Snipes Lapua Ackley Improved Maximum" at any range you need to be.
Post by: Shed Stud on January 10, 2011, 08:29:16 AM
Post by: high country on January 10, 2011, 08:46:34 AM
Ss, are you saying the wsm shoots flatter then the ultra? The wsm bestseller the 06 a bit and the ultra bests the wsm a bit....all will show similar results out to as far as most guys can shoot with respected accuracy. There are few that can make the most of the super mags and to do so requires spending a serious chunk on glass and mounts.
Post by: Curly on January 10, 2011, 09:56:06 AM
To be honest im a bit skeptical of an 06 punching through the shoulder of an elk at 300+ yards regardless of the ammo and I want a gun that can do just that.
You should try Federal Premium cartridges with 165 gr Barnes TSX bullets and see if they shoot accurately in your 30-06. If they are accurate enough in your rifle, then that would be a good load that will work for punching through that elk's shoulder. :twocents:
Post by: woodswalker on January 10, 2011, 01:00:52 PM
Post by: bod on January 10, 2011, 01:31:05 PM
Post by: deerslyr on January 10, 2011, 03:20:52 PM
Post by: bobcat on January 10, 2011, 03:29:29 PM
Post by: bobcat on January 10, 2011, 03:33:47 PM
Post by: jackelope on January 10, 2011, 03:44:55 PM
Post by: WDFW-SUX on January 10, 2011, 03:47:26 PM
How are we going to measure deadness anyhow?
Post by: high country on January 10, 2011, 05:14:51 PM
Post by: scoutsniper17 on January 10, 2011, 05:26:57 PM
Post by: 2506 on January 10, 2011, 07:42:18 PM
Post by: bobcat on January 10, 2011, 07:43:32 PM
without a doubt 7mm mag. :IBCOOL:
Which one? There are at least three. :dunno:
Post by: 2506 on January 10, 2011, 07:46:07 PM
Post by: hoyt2002 on January 10, 2011, 07:50:03 PM
Post by: bobcat on January 10, 2011, 07:50:31 PM
Either the 7mm RUM or 7mm wby
OK, I thought you were gonna say the 7mm Rem Mag, and I was going to say that's exactly the same as the 30-06- why would he want that? :)
Post by: JackOfAllTrades on January 10, 2011, 08:18:36 PM
I own a 30-06 and a .30 mag wildcat. If your budget is only $800, then some for optics, I guess that suggesting a caliber for any rifle that costs $50/box of 20 is quite possibly out of your budget to enjoy shooting. I haven't purchased ammo for a long long time, but I figure that in the tri-state area you're going to find 338win mag on more store shelves than you will 300rum or even the newer 300sm's. The 338 will take anything in the America's with comfort to spare.
-Steve
Post by: champ41 on January 10, 2011, 08:30:38 PM
Post by: EDT on January 10, 2011, 08:35:14 PM
alright so heres the deal, I have a couple of different 06's and yes no *censored* they'll kill anything that moves in the lower 48, but so will a 243 if you have good shot placement. BUT im going to college in montana next year and my parents offered to buy me a new gun for a graduation present (within a reasonable budget) SO Im trying to find a NEW gun that can be my go to gun over there. And yes im thinking my shot opportunities are goin to be a bit longer over there, but either way I want to get a little more knockdown power at a farther distance if im getting a new gun (other wise there would be no reason to like you guys are saying) The 06's I have now are either heavy as hell or sentimental so I want a new gun can take some punishment (like my 270) but if im getting a new gun I want to upgrade anyways I see no since in owning 4 3006s.
This info could have saved a couple of pages of comments!
Post by: high country on January 10, 2011, 08:52:50 PM
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Post by: deerslyr on January 12, 2011, 07:27:12 PM
Another option might be to have one of your current guns built to what you want.$500 for a stock and about that again to build and barrel it....then it is just what you want.
Ive always wanted to do that but never really gave it much thought. I have a springfield 3006 and I love the action on it, would this be a decent base for the gun?
Post by: Hyde on January 12, 2011, 07:54:51 PM
Post by: high country on January 12, 2011, 11:22:07 PM
Another option might be to have one of your current guns built to what you want.$500 for a stock and about that again to build and barrel it....then it is just what you want.
Ive always wanted to do that but never really gave it much thought. I have a springfield 3006 and I love the action on it, would this be a decent base for the gun?
[/quotelots of customs have been built on them. The biggest problem will be finding a stock. If you already have the action, you can build anything you want. Lots of pressure to go bigger......I would build a 6-06, 25-06ai, 6.5-06, 280ai.....something with lots of reach, good b.c. bullets and not burning 70 gr of powder every shot. If you look at sierra match kings and berger vlds in the calibers I mentioned and imagine shooting long range chucks and speed goats.....you will will want one. In a factory gun I still say look at a 257roy......bad medicine from coyotes to elk.Another option might be to have one of your current guns built to what you want.$500 for a stock and about that again to build and barrel it....then it is just what you want.
Ive always wanted to do that but never really gave it much thought. I have a springfield 3006 and I love the action on it, would this be a decent base for the gun?
Post by: Hornseeker on January 13, 2011, 08:11:44 AM
Yep, find a good builder, have them put a new McMillan stock on it and a custom barrel (many to choose from) and you'll have a shooting sob...
But seriously, buy a Browning A Bolt or X Bolt in most any caliber mentioned and you will be set... Ive been shooting an 06 now for 26 yrs... I see no reason to change that.... (well... I have a 300 that I dont shoot but sometimes think about shooting it a abit.....)
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Post by: bearpaw on January 21, 2011, 07:41:27 PM
FYI - There is a good looking 300 Mag in the classifieds on here. There are also some 300WSM's.
Post by: deerslyr on January 21, 2011, 08:40:40 PM
Post by: TeacherMan on January 21, 2011, 09:05:33 PM
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Post by: high country on January 21, 2011, 09:21:18 PM
Post by: deerslyr on January 21, 2011, 09:38:49 PM
Also all of you guys talk about reloading, how much does it cost to get set up for only a few calibers? It interests me I just dont know anybody whose ever done it so I dont really no where to start. Maybe I need to start a different thread for that lol
Post by: high country on January 22, 2011, 11:46:06 AM
Reloading is going to cost you about $400 to get started with components, tooling and all if you buy good stuff new. Used or lee could cut that in half or more. You want a good scale, throw and dies. The press, tumbler, load blocks, trickle, trimmer....etc, can be less then the best. I ride for the green teams myself.
Post by: TeacherMan on January 22, 2011, 12:00:41 PM
What type of hunting do you want it for again? Range I love my Abolt and Ruger, all around gun my Remington. The Ruger feels the best in my shoulder the Remington 700 is the most awkward. The Browning has the smoothest bolt and trigger. So many variables. Not everyone will feel the same it also matters how you are built, I'm 6' 230 pounds and have very broad shoulders. The ruger M77 may kick to much for someone a little smaller than me :dunno:
Post by: bearpaw on January 22, 2011, 02:02:47 PM
I would imagine any gun sold on here by a regular and respected member will be just as the person says. :twocents:
Post by: high country on January 23, 2011, 08:15:19 AM
Post by: TeacherMan on January 23, 2011, 09:58:43 AM
Truth is just about any late model rifle should be pretty accurate. Manufacturing tolerance has come a long way in the last decade.:tup:
Post by: bearpaw on January 23, 2011, 12:03:47 PM
Truth is just about any late model rifle should be pretty accurate. Manufacturing tolerance has come a long way in the last decade.:tup:
:yeah:
Post by: deerslyr on January 23, 2011, 12:41:51 PM
Post by: Curly on January 23, 2011, 02:26:23 PM
Post by: JackOfAllTrades on January 23, 2011, 03:03:55 PM
well I guess comes down to what feels the best to me and I need to head to the gun shop soon. Thanks for all the help guys
Yes it does. Go through a lot of guns in your hand, hopefully some that are scoped already. Use the safety, pull the trigger, take your hunting gloves with you. Take some dummy rounds and load/unload it. Don't let a salesman sell you his favorite. If you like a feature or where the balance is on a rifle, stick to it. Savages out of the box are really tough to beat. The best triggers out of the box will be a Remington or Savage. (with the Savage Acutrigger as tops) If you drop the stainless requirement, I think that the Marlin XS7 or XL7 is the most gun for the dollar.
Caliber/Cartridge? If I was to choose only one rifle, I'd go with one chambered in 30-06.
-Steve
Post by: longrange7mm on January 23, 2011, 03:26:32 PM