Post by: C-Money on January 10, 2011, 04:22:03 PM
Post by: Crisptrigr on January 10, 2011, 04:34:04 PM
Post by: C-Money on January 10, 2011, 04:35:30 PM
Post by: thinkingman on January 10, 2011, 04:42:54 PM
My favorite for any caliber is Barnes TSX.
120gr for anything under 200lbs...140gr for elk.
The accuracy of the all-copper bullet is, in my opinion, superior to the cup and core and much better than partition.
Post by: SCRUBS on January 10, 2011, 04:52:16 PM
You forgot 'other'
My favorite for any caliber is Barnes TSX.
120gr for anything under 200lbs...140gr for elk.
The accuracy of the all-copper bullet is, in my opinion, superior to the cup and core and much better than partition.
x2 on the Barnes bullets.
Post by: GlennGTR on January 10, 2011, 05:14:57 PM
Post by: Huntbear on January 10, 2011, 05:17:16 PM
The Accubond will give you better down range ballistics.
Look at the BC for both.. The Accubond wins hands down.
Post by: fremont on January 10, 2011, 06:24:12 PM
Post by: D-Rock425 on January 10, 2011, 06:40:25 PM
Shoot both in your wife's rifle and let the rifle tell you the answer. If the rifle has no preference then it's your choice. You can't go wrong with either one.:yeah:
Post by: Schwag173 on January 10, 2011, 06:54:08 PM
Now, if your wife doesn't shoot much and/or is recoil-sensitive, handload up a bunch of 100gr bullets for practice. If you study the manual's ballistic section you can probably find a weak powder-charge that'll approximate the ballistic-curve of the beefier hunting-load. She gets a light-recoil practice load that's cheap to produce. Come the adrenalin-rush of shooting at a live animal and she'll never notice the heavier recoil of the hunting-load.
Post by: runamuk on January 10, 2011, 07:23:04 PM
Shoot both in your wife's rifle and let the rifle tell you the answer. If the rifle has no preference then it's your choice. You can't go wrong with either one.:yeah:
I think I agree with this.. but better yet let your wife shoot both and see which she and the rifle prefer ;)
Post by: br8kitoff on January 10, 2011, 07:43:19 PM
I'd go 140 for deer and 160s as a dual-purpose deer/elk load. Beyond that, let the rifle show you what it likes. Start with the Noslers because you're apparently already enamored with them and we should all be happy. If they don't shoot under 1 MOA off a good sandbag rest, start looking elsewhere. Sierra Gamekings are about half the price of "premium" bullets, but those of us that load them don't complain very much.
Now, if your wife doesn't shoot much and/or is recoil-sensitive, handload up a bunch of 100gr bullets for practice. If you study the manual's ballistic section you can probably find a weak powder-charge that'll approximate the ballistic-curve of the beefier hunting-load. She gets a light-recoil practice load that's cheap to produce. Come the adrenalin-rush of shooting at a live animal and she'll never notice the heavier recoil of the hunting-load.
So if you load your own, you can make it shoot like a .243......and those will smoke a deer with a 95g bullet @ 200 yards...or more on a nice day
Post by: carpsniperg2 on January 10, 2011, 09:38:40 PM
The Partition will give you better penetration at close range, and will hold together better.
The Accubond will give you better down range ballistics.
Look at the BC for both.. The Accubond wins hands down.
This is my thoughts as well. I am a huge partition fan as most know. Just got some accubonds for my 338wm and 25-06. Going to give them a try. But like said i would try both and see what the gun groups best with. Both will kill any critter that walks around here. I am running the 140g combined tech bullets. In both my 7mm-08 handgun and semi auto. Both love the loads. But if i wanted to hunt bear and elk i would go to the 140 partitions.
Post by: Schwag173 on January 11, 2011, 08:22:21 PM
So if you load your own, you can make it shoot like a .243......and those will smoke a deer with a 95g bullet @ 200 yards...or more on a nice day
Well, yeah ... for cheap practice ammo. I would never buy a .243 for novice deer or elk hunting. I'd have no problem dropping deer with a .243 but the lighter bullets are not a good idea for inexperienced hunters. The sectional density performance offered by a 140gr 7mm bullet is very forgiving to novice hunters and will outperform anything a .243 can offer. .243 would be a good choice for novice coyote hunting, though ...
Post by: addicted on January 13, 2011, 11:22:26 AM
Post by: woodswalker on January 13, 2011, 11:53:59 AM
Post by: addicted on January 13, 2011, 09:19:42 PM
Post by: br8kitoff on January 13, 2011, 10:16:09 PM
Post by: addicted on January 13, 2011, 11:06:32 PM
....I mean you don't need a .338 magnum to put an elk down...right?
:tup:
Post by: C-Money on January 17, 2011, 05:11:42 PM
Post by: jrebel on July 06, 2015, 10:09:00 AM
Post by: Bob33 on July 06, 2015, 10:17:23 AM
You forgot 'other'My 13 year old shoots 140 grain TTSX out of his 7mm-08. It's very accurate and on-game performance has been exceptional.
My favorite for any caliber is Barnes TSX.
120gr for anything under 200lbs...140gr for elk.
The accuracy of the all-copper bullet is, in my opinion, superior to the cup and core and much better than partition.
Post by: Taco280AI on July 06, 2015, 10:28:34 AM
Post by: C-Money on July 06, 2015, 10:41:58 AM
Post by: jrebel on July 06, 2015, 10:47:48 AM
Bob......Glad to here the ttsx worked well. I am very intrigued by these bullets. May have to try them.
Post by: Bwana Bob on July 06, 2015, 10:55:36 AM
Post by: Jason on July 06, 2015, 12:01:06 PM
1/2" groups from my Ruger American
Post by: Don Fischer on July 06, 2015, 01:50:46 PM
Buying my wife a 7mm-08 this week and thought this post was a great start to my reloading for it. Wondering what you eventually settled on with bullet and powder? I am thinking nosler partition or accubond as I have seen positive results out of both. She will be using it for deer and elk.
You reload and it's for your wife? I'd go with a 260 Rem. My wife had a 6mm Rem and I had a 6.5x55 put together for her. she never used the 6mm again after trying the 6.5x55.
Post by: huntnphool on July 07, 2015, 11:53:45 PM
Post by: RadSav on July 08, 2015, 04:39:55 AM
If shots are expected beyond 400 yards I would likely carry a second load that holds neither of those two pills.
Post by: jrebel on July 08, 2015, 07:17:07 AM
Post by: h2ofowlr on July 08, 2015, 07:32:31 AM
Post by: jrebel on July 10, 2015, 06:48:21 PM
Choice in powders will be: Varget, H4350, H414. My 308 loves 414 so may try that, though my gut tells me to try Varget first. Any thoughts??
Post by: p-ohana on July 10, 2015, 07:03:58 PM
Post by: jdb on July 10, 2015, 09:09:38 PM
I'm not a huge Partition fan, care to share why?
Post by: RadSav on July 11, 2015, 12:24:40 AM
I'm not a huge Partition fan,care to share why?
When I was guiding bear hunters the vast majority of animals shot with the Partition I had to track. Most needing to put down later with a second shot. Have been on two elk hunts with guys shooting Partitions and each time we spent hours tracking to find those animals too. I don't recall ever losing an animal shot with a Partition but my standards are a bit higher than just recovery.
What I began to notice is that most guys using Partitions were using them at magnum velocities to avoid jacket separation. At those velocities we were losing the entire front section on entry and only the control area was making complete penetration. At least jacket separation on Sierra's was happening later as velocity was slowing dumping most of that energy into the chest cavity.
Years later when I decided to start categorizing my guide logs it became very clear. Those using Partitions at 308, heavy for 30-06, 7X57 and 257 Roberts velocities were getting the best results. The guys using 300 WM, 300 Wby, 257 Wby and light for 270 and 7MM were experiencing the worst results. You take that information and start adding in well experienced writers like Boddington who kept preaching "Heavy for Caliber" choices when talking about Partitions and we start to assume that maybe heavy for caliber is working because the velocity is lower and the Partition is working more effectively.
Today we have all kinds of great controlled expansion bullets designed specifically for those magnum velocities. Some, like the TTSX, that actually perform 10 fold better in "Light for Caliber" rather than the old "Heavy for Caliber". Partition is still a good bullet if you need to have the ability to smash through big bones on dangerous game. But the A-Frame probably does that just as well and the Barnes probably does it better yet. At slow velocity and wanting the best of both worlds (Heart/Lung and shoulder pounding performance) the Partition is still a uniquely qualified bullet with few equals. But that is becoming a much more rare need than it used to be.
Other than being a flying brick, I do have a much better appreciation for the Partition in the 257 Bob, 7-08, 7X57 and .308 than I used to. I really think those are the velocities where it performs the best. And I have come to appreciate the Partition in the 270 and 30-06 when loaded Heavy for Caliber. But in all those cases I have experienced equal if not superior results out to 250 yards using the Remington Core-Lokt at 1/3rd the price. Partition only pulling ahead after 300 yards...if you can hit what you are aiming at beyond 300!
A lot of loyal Partition fans love to call me names and send me hate mail every time I explain this. I don't think they completely understand that I am not bashing the Partition. All I'm saying is that I am not a huge fan. I even have guns loaded for them right now! But if it was the single greatest most universal bullet out there than why has there only been a single copy after all these years? And that copy being about as opposite in terminal performance to the Partition as it could possibly be.
I'm not a hater. I'm just not a huge fan...most of the time.
Post by: huntnphool on July 11, 2015, 02:17:26 PM
I'm not a huge Partition fan,care to share why?
When I was guiding bear hunters the vast majority of animals shot with the Partition I had to track. Most needing to put down later with a second shot. Have been on two elk hunts with guys shooting Partitions and each time we spent hours tracking to find those animals too. I don't recall ever losing an animal shot with a Partition but my standards are a bit higher than just recovery.
What I began to notice is that most guys using Partitions were using them at magnum velocities to avoid jacket separation. At those velocities we were losing the entire front section on entry and only the control area was making complete penetration. At least jacket separation on Sierra's was happening later as velocity was slowing dumping most of that energy into the chest cavity.
Years later when I decided to start categorizing my guide logs it became very clear. Those using Partitions at 308, heavy for 30-06, 7X57 and 257 Roberts velocities were getting the best results. The guys using 300 WM, 300 Wby, 257 Wby and light for 270 and 7MM were experiencing the worst results. You take that information and start adding in well experienced writers like Boddington who kept preaching "Heavy for Caliber" choices when talking about Partitions and we start to assume that maybe heavy for caliber is working because the velocity is lower and the Partition is working more effectively.
Today we have all kinds of great controlled expansion bullets designed specifically for those magnum velocities. Some, like the TTSX, that actually perform 10 fold better in "Light for Caliber" rather than the old "Heavy for Caliber". Partition is still a good bullet if you need to have the ability to smash through big bones on dangerous game. But the A-Frame probably does that just as well and the Barnes probably does it better yet. At slow velocity and wanting the best of both worlds (Heart/Lung and shoulder pounding performance) the Partition is still a uniquely qualified bullet with few equals. But that is becoming a much more rare need than it used to be.
Other than being a flying brick, I do have a much better appreciation for the Partition in the 257 Bob, 7-08, 7X57 and .308 than I used to. I really think those are the velocities where it performs the best. And I have come to appreciate the Partition in the 270 and 30-06 when loaded Heavy for Caliber. But in all those cases I have experienced equal if not superior results out to 250 yards using the Remington Core-Lokt at 1/3rd the price. Partition only pulling ahead after 300 yards...if you can hit what you are aiming at beyond 300!
A lot of loyal Partition fans love to call me names and send me hate mail every time I explain this. I don't think they completely understand that I am not bashing the Partition. All I'm saying is that I am not a huge fan. I even have guns loaded for them right now! But if it was the single greatest most universal bullet out there than why has there only been a single copy after all these years? And that copy being about as opposite in terminal performance to the Partition as it could possibly be.
I'm not a hater. I'm just not a huge fan...most of the time.
On the flip side, I have never needed to hit a animal more than once with a partition, and never needed to track one more than 10-15 yards. My go to rifle is a 7mm RM, and I have my share of decent trophies.
YMMV :dunno:
Post by: luteai on July 11, 2015, 02:44:42 PM
Post by: RadSav on July 11, 2015, 03:44:46 PM
YMMV :dunno:
:tup:
Post by: RadSav on July 11, 2015, 04:41:16 PM
OK....got everything in line. Savage Lady Hunter in 7mm-08 topped with a Leupold VX-iii 4.5-14x40 LR side focus boon and crockett reticle. Will be working up a load with 140 grain partitions.
I believe I have 59 of those 140 Partitions in the drawer. If you want them you can have them. Just PM me an address. I bought them a few years ago when I couldn't find heavier ones for a 280. The complete box hasn't even had the seal broken yet.
Post by: jrebel on July 11, 2015, 06:21:41 PM
Post by: Windwalker on July 11, 2015, 07:19:56 PM
The old days of grabbing whatever is on the shelf or using your grandpa's popular loads has definitely evolved.
I think folks still dwell too much on the advertised max FPS and inches of drop rather than the velocity parameters the bullets were designed for optimal performance.
Unfortunately there is no magic bullet that penetrates regardless of velocity, bone or muscle mass and mushrooms perfectly from point blank to 1000 yards.
For more predictable results a well designed bullet should be used within the recommended impact velocities for reliable expansion and optimum retained weight and hit like the hammer of Thor.
Sounds good on paper but one can only hope.
Found a site with a plethora of information some may find interesting.
http://www.ballisticstudies.com/Knowledgebase/7mm-08+Remington.html
Post by: jrebel on July 11, 2015, 07:31:01 PM
Post by: RadSav on July 11, 2015, 09:34:49 PM
Found a site with a plethora of information some may find interesting.
http://www.ballisticstudies.com/Knowledgebase/7mm-08+Remington.html
Nathan Foster's research is really top notch. But you do need to read between the lines a lot when hunting large mule deer and elk when reading his stuff. Most of his guiding is done on smaller pigs and goats. So some of his rave reviews can be mistaken as promising for elk. Have to read his stuff carefully to get the full scope of his teaching. Fascinating guy if you ever get the chance to speak with him.
Post by: MountainWalk on July 12, 2015, 10:04:35 AM
In my opinion, there ain't a black bear alive that warrants a Partition or any other super bullet. Black bears are too soft an animal. They kill, sure, but your plain Jane cup and core is ideal for bear.
The Partition is one of my fave slugs, but not for deer and bear.
All the bears I've had the pleasure of killing were inside of 50yds, and closer to 30~35, excepting one.
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on July 12, 2015, 10:10:47 AM