Post by: muleyslayer#1 on January 16, 2011, 04:14:18 PM
Post by: carpsniperg2 on January 16, 2011, 04:36:54 PM
Post by: muleyslayer#1 on January 16, 2011, 04:47:33 PM
Post by: carpsniperg2 on January 16, 2011, 04:51:44 PM
Post by: 400out on January 16, 2011, 05:26:36 PM
Have you shot the 300 ultra mag? or much of the magnums? I would hate to see a young hunter ,pick up bad habits from a big magnum. I would really say the 30-06 would be a better choice for you them. The 30-06 will kill any animal you want to hunt. Within a reasonable range.:yeah:
Post by: Buckhole on January 16, 2011, 05:47:20 PM
Post by: CAMPMEAT on January 16, 2011, 05:47:56 PM
Post by: 220hunter on January 16, 2011, 05:53:22 PM
Post by: longrange7mm on January 16, 2011, 05:57:07 PM
You start getting into the magnums it can get very expensive to shoot them and I know that when i was your age I through enough lead to anchor a cruise ship :chuckle:
Post by: YoungBuck on January 16, 2011, 05:57:44 PM
Post by: TheHunt on January 16, 2011, 06:03:07 PM
His high school graduation gift he wanted a 338 RUM. He is 230 very, very strong played football. He said it kicks so we purchased a different stock. He makes tells me I can not shoot it because the kick my stop my heart. He can only shoot it roughly 10 times then he is done. Mostly because he will start flinching which is a really bad habbit.
Post by: longrange7mm on January 16, 2011, 06:23:41 PM
I started my son out with a 270 and hand loaded light loads then moved him up as he could handle the shooting. Then he wanted a large weapon.Tell him to invest in a muzzle break i had one built that is around 9.5 lbs and has a muzzle break I shoot 300 gr bergers the kick is not bad at all
His high school graduation gift he wanted a 338 RUM. He is 230 very, very strong played football. He said it kicks so we purchased a different stock. He makes tells me I can not shoot it because the kick my stop my heart. He can only shoot it roughly 10 times then he is done. Mostly because he will start flinching which is a really bad habbit.
Post by: NWBREW on January 16, 2011, 07:02:25 PM
Post by: ducks55 on January 16, 2011, 07:51:19 PM
Post by: dreamunelk on January 16, 2011, 08:17:45 PM
Post by: bobcat on January 16, 2011, 08:22:26 PM
.308, 30-06, 270 are my recommendations. They will take take all of our popular big game and factory ammo is inexpensive. Lots of options for hand-loading to if you have the equipment. As a kid I mowed lawns, picked cans and what ever else I could for cash to buy ammo. So unless dad is willing and able to provide the ammo I would give ammo cost some thought.
:yeah: One of those three is all you will ever need. You do not want an Ultra Mag! Too expensive to shoot and too much recoil. Chances are you would develop a flinch and then never hit anything from then on. Stay away from the Remington 770. Get a used model 700 if you have to but don't get the 770. Or get a Savage.
Post by: Maverick on January 16, 2011, 08:40:31 PM
Post by: autodink13 on January 16, 2011, 08:47:21 PM
Post by: toothfangclaw on January 17, 2011, 01:43:00 AM
.308, 30-06, 270 are my recommendations. They will take take all of our popular big game and factory ammo is inexpensive. Lots of options for hand-loading to if you have the equipment. As a kid I mowed lawns, picked cans and what ever else I could for cash to buy ammo. So unless dad is willing and able to provide the ammo I would give ammo cost some thought.
:yeah: One of those three is all you will ever need. You do not want an Ultra Mag! Too expensive to shoot and too much recoil. Chances are you would develop a flinch and then never hit anything from then on. Stay away from the Remington 770. Get a used model 700 if you have to but don't get the 770. Or get a Savage.
I am going to disagree with you. But only on a couple things. If he can get a 700 for the right price, GET IT! But don't rule out the 770 and savage arms! FOR THE PRICE of a new gun. You can not beat it! Savage has proven to be Extremely accurate right out of the box. And the 710/770 are decent, No frills, ACCURATE gun that goes BANG every time and kills things deader then dead. I can shoot 1" groups all day long with my 270 win rem 710. Shooting the cheep Federal 130 grain ammo. I am the limit of the accuracy with my gun. But the 700 is a much more quality of rig, if you can swing it. I personally put around 150 rounds through my gun and it has gone off every time. I got it used from my GF's brother for a steal of a life time. My GF's dad has a 710 in 06 and has killed everything he has put in the sights. What more can you ask? :twocents:
Post by: Skyvalhunter on January 17, 2011, 05:26:17 AM
Post by: bobcat on January 17, 2011, 11:19:37 AM
.308, 30-06, 270 are my recommendations. They will take take all of our popular big game and factory ammo is inexpensive. Lots of options for hand-loading to if you have the equipment. As a kid I mowed lawns, picked cans and what ever else I could for cash to buy ammo. So unless dad is willing and able to provide the ammo I would give ammo cost some thought.
:yeah: One of those three is all you will ever need. You do not want an Ultra Mag! Too expensive to shoot and too much recoil. Chances are you would develop a flinch and then never hit anything from then on. Stay away from the Remington 770. Get a used model 700 if you have to but don't get the 770. Or get a Savage.
I am going to disagree with you. But only on a couple things. If he can get a 700 for the right price, GET IT! But don't rule out the 770 and savage arms! FOR THE PRICE of a new gun. You can not beat it! Savage has proven to be Extremely accurate right out of the box. And the 710/770 are decent, No frills, ACCURATE gun that goes BANG every time and kills things deader then dead. I can shoot 1" groups all day long with my 270 win rem 710. Shooting the cheep Federal 130 grain ammo. I am the limit of the accuracy with my gun. But the 700 is a much more quality of rig, if you can swing it. I personally put around 150 rounds through my gun and it has gone off every time. I got it used from my GF's brother for a steal of a life time. My GF's dad has a 710 in 06 and has killed everything he has put in the sights. What more can you ask? :twocents:
I was recommending that he get a Savage. Not that he shouldn't get one. I'd take the Savage over the Remington 770 any day. I wouldn't hunt with a 770 even if it was given to me.
Post by: uncoolperson on January 17, 2011, 11:25:36 AM
Post by: 270Shooter on January 17, 2011, 11:30:27 AM
Post by: Vek on January 17, 2011, 02:34:59 PM
Ideas - lately various stores (Dick's, Sportsman's Warehouse, etc.) have had brand new stainless remington 700 ADLs in various chamberings for $400 - $430. That's a heck of a deal.
Or, scour the pawnshops for a used stainless ruger - the one with the really ugly "boat paddle" skeletonized stock is preferred here. Make sure it comes with the rings that it came with when new. Rugers are nice because they have rings included and they're sturdy.
If you get a remington or a winchester, use talley lightweight scope mounts and get a 4x or 6x fixed leupold scope.
If you can find an "ADL" type rifle with no drop plate on the magazine, that's the best way to go.
I give you a 10% chance of following this advice because you're 15 and are likely easily enamored with big powerful expensive chamberings and scopes. Set that aside and realize that simple, light, tough, and cheap is best. That means a ruger, remington, or winchester 30-06 with a 4x leupold scope. I've been doing this for a long time - and I'm hunting with exactly what I prescribe for you, and I could easily sell what I got and get a big heavy magnum. But I won't.
Post by: Rainstorm Hunter on January 17, 2011, 02:45:19 PM
Post by: halflife65 on January 17, 2011, 02:58:00 PM
Check out the Tikkas in .270 or .30-06.
I've shot more deer, bears and elk with a .270 than any other caliber (of course, I now shoot them with arrows, but that's beside the point.) Plus they don't kick that bad and/or you don't need to use a muzzle brake and have a 9.5 pound rifle. Not saying a RUM wouldn't be awesome to have (it would) but you can get that later. Good chance you'll own more than one rifle before you grow too old to shoot. Just not sure that the RUM is the best choice for the FIRST rifle.
Post by: elkinrutdrivemenuts on January 17, 2011, 03:30:44 PM
Post by: CSOUTFITTERS on January 17, 2011, 04:04:25 PM
Post by: huntandjeep on January 17, 2011, 04:07:29 PM
Post by: ICEMAN on January 17, 2011, 04:48:35 PM
I absolutely love my Ultramag. Wish I got it years ago.
Post by: C-Money on January 17, 2011, 04:55:02 PM
Post by: diamondboy1 on January 17, 2011, 06:39:38 PM
Post by: halflife65 on January 17, 2011, 06:41:55 PM
I am the one who is going to buy the gun so am I wrong for asking for grades
Not at all.
Post by: uncoolperson on January 17, 2011, 06:43:44 PM
I am the one who is going to buy the gun so am I wrong for asking for grades
carrot sure beats the stick.
I got $50 for every A
I had to pay $10 for every B
pay $25 for every C
pay $40 for every D
pay $50 for every F
most of my paychecks back then went straight to my dad.
(ha... just thought of it, now I'm paying ~$1000 for all of em [and double if it's a D or less])
Post by: carpsniperg2 on January 17, 2011, 06:45:09 PM
I am the one who is going to buy the gun so am I wrong for asking for grades
Nothing wrong with it at all. Its a good goal for a kid/youngman :IBCOOL: I worked very hard for a few guns :chuckle:
Post by: ribka on January 17, 2011, 06:52:39 PM
Like a lot of much more experienced guys on here suggested ( many are very successful hunters) go with a smaller more recoil friendly firearm.
Savage, Weatherby Vantage, Marlin xl-7 all very good, accurate and in expensive firearms. Personally like the Weatherby Vantage for around $500 with a scope. You can upgrade in the future and throw on a different stock and trigger .
Rewarding good grades is great incentive for a new rifle
Post by: Bob33 on January 17, 2011, 07:04:31 PM
Practicing a lot with a 270, 308, or 30-06 will make you a far more effective hunter than shooting 10 rounds through a RUM. Don't just shoot from a bench; practice shooting just as you would hunting: prone, sitting, offhand. Find your effective ranges for each method.
Bolt action's are a great choice.
Make: Remington, Savage, Tikka all make good rifles at reasonable prices.
Make sure you budget at least $200 for a scope; a 4x or 3-9x would be a good choice.
Good luck; I hope you get a 4.0 and a nice rifle!
Post by: C-Money on January 18, 2011, 08:14:07 AM
Post by: JBar on January 23, 2011, 02:45:33 PM
I am the one who is going to buy the gun so am I wrong for asking for grades
carrot sure beats the stick.
I got $50 for every A
I had to pay $10 for every B
pay $25 for every C
pay $40 for every D
pay $50 for every F
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Oh I like that! I'll be talking to Muleys Dad about this one!! We'll get muley into a good rifle and it WONT be an Ultra Mag. Muley can handle some kick but that's over doing it for the WT we'll be hunting in ID. Just keep the grades up sport!
Post by: 7mag. on January 23, 2011, 03:19:12 PM
Post by: CamoDup on January 24, 2011, 08:24:07 PM
Post by: TwoFeet on January 27, 2011, 07:48:18 PM
Well lets see how your grades are. Naaa just joking with ya. Well here is some thoughts for you. What all are you planning on hunting? There are many great calibers out there. Just kinda depends on what fits you best and what you can shoot. If you are smaller frame the 243 might be a good choice if you are a bigger framed kid a 30-06 would be a great choice. The two calibers i really like for youth hunters. That can take any game out there with well placed shots are. The 7mm-08 and the 25-06 they are both great choices. I would stay away from the magnums for a youth hunter. Bolt guns are always a great choice. I would look at the tikka t3 rifles good price and great shooting guns.
Great advice CarpSniper. I myself am a 6'1" 225 pound guy, and can still be occasionally prone to flinch while shooting from the table at the range. I shoot a Weatherby Mark V Ultralight in 7mm Wthby Mag, which isn't bad at all, but even then I'll sometimes have pre-fire flinch towards the end of a shoot. An old timer, and very accomplished sniper, taught me a pretty good lesson... He went to his truck and grabbed me his match grade .223 (obviously a small/non-legal for big game caliber firearm). He had me focus on my breathing techniques and fire several volleys before getting back onto the 7mm. Worked well for me, so I've brought a .223 with me ever since. Practicing proper technique is very important, and getting to know your gun is even more so.
All that being said, I have a buddy that's taken many quality animals with his .243 Remington. The keys to his success have been practice, knowing his weapon, and taking responsible shots. As far as manufacturer, you won't go wrong with the Tikka T3. Don't know where you live, but if you're anywhere on the West Side, have your dad take you up to Kesselring Gun Shop in Alger. Talk to either Don or an older, white haired, glasses wearing gentleman (his name is slipping my mind at the moment). These guys are the best in the business and will ask you all the right questions to try to get you the best gun for your money and what you'll be using it for. I've bought many guns up there, and have never come across a more friendly and knowledgeable bunch of guys.
Good luck hunting.
Post by: gunnarnewt on January 28, 2011, 12:07:20 PM