Post by: Todd_ID on May 03, 2008, 09:42:23 AM
Post by: LongTatLaw on May 03, 2008, 10:01:47 AM
Post by: PolarBear on May 03, 2008, 10:03:03 AM
Post by: WDFW-SUX on May 03, 2008, 10:27:42 AM
Post by: jackelope on May 03, 2008, 11:12:49 AM
good to hear.
Post by: PolarBear on May 03, 2008, 11:37:04 AM
Post by: Wea300mag on May 03, 2008, 01:13:19 PM
Post by: WDFW Hates ME!!! on May 03, 2008, 02:19:35 PM
They have a late archery hunt in 503 & 505 Nov 19th- Dec 15th.
Late Muzzle loader hunt in 503 & 505 Nov 19th- Dec 8th
Now i really do not hunt these areas but how dumb is it is schedule 2 user groups at the same time... Over and over again...
Post by: popeshawnpaul on May 03, 2008, 03:33:49 PM
Post by: catwithboost on May 03, 2008, 04:05:25 PM
Post by: edmondshunter on May 03, 2008, 05:05:48 PM
I downloaded it 20 mins ago. Not a whole lot of changes.
Post by: MooseStock on May 03, 2008, 06:36:24 PM
Post by: bobcat on May 03, 2008, 06:53:35 PM
I can't get on the site....must be overheating from so many trying to check out the permit hunts..............Les
Same problem here. I've been trying to get in there for an hour or so and can't.
Post by: WDFW-SUX on May 03, 2008, 07:25:56 PM
I'd cut off my little toe for a sheep tag.
Post by: Slider on May 03, 2008, 07:30:34 PM
+1!!! what a joke!!!(WDFW) they are the last to do anything and then their site doesn't work!!! Oh thanks Pope. Now if you can just convince enough people? Maybe I'll draw this year!!!(on the second draw)..............lol
Post by: boneaddict on May 03, 2008, 07:36:50 PM
Post by: WDFW-SUX on May 03, 2008, 08:54:12 PM
Post by: jackelope on May 03, 2008, 08:54:45 PM
Post by: actionshooter on May 04, 2008, 08:09:07 AM
1 choice and 1 species for goat sheep moose.Theres other states that do that and the odds aren't bad, +2
Post by: shanevg on May 05, 2008, 09:01:39 PM
1 choice and 1 species for goat sheep moose.Theres other states that do that and the odds aren't bad, +2
+3 (as long as we can still get points for all the species)
Post by: boneaddict on May 05, 2008, 09:10:51 PM
Post by: shanevg on May 05, 2008, 10:20:41 PM
On another note, did anyone notice any significant changes in the regs? I did a quick read through, but I don't see anything ground breakingly new this year. (other than the fact that archery elk opens on a Monday for some stupid reason.)
Post by: BrushChimp on May 05, 2008, 10:36:54 PM
Post by: bowhuntin on May 05, 2008, 11:16:56 PM
Post by: Skyvalhunter on May 06, 2008, 05:50:47 AM
Post by: boneaddict on May 06, 2008, 06:08:02 AM
Thats what Utah does...infact they take it a step further an dyou have to choose if you want elk or deer.
Post by: WDFW-SUX on May 06, 2008, 08:01:57 AM
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I don't think you should be able to accrue points for those species, but make it so you don't lose the ones you got when you make the switch
I could not agree more. Point systems are one of the evils of the world.
I really like the Idaho and NM system :dunno:
Post by: shanevg on May 06, 2008, 08:29:28 AM
QuoteI don't think you should be able to accrue points for those species, but make it so you don't lose the ones you got when you make the switch
I could not agree more. Point systems are one of the evils of the world.
I really like the Idaho and NM system :dunno:
I don't agree. I like the idea of points. Without points you don't get any closer to getting drawn the longer you apply. I think if anything, I like Colorado's system best. I would like to see WA draw by going half preference points (preferably - if not preference points, than at least bonus points.) And then the other half at random. Also limiting the number of non-resident tags, and number of premiere species you can draw for.
Post by: WDFW-SUX on May 06, 2008, 08:33:08 AM
Post by: boneaddict on May 06, 2008, 08:35:13 AM
No points in NM. Put in for the most sought after unit and hunt in the state, and drew first year.
No points in Idaho for Moose. Put in for the first year and drew.
No points in Idaho for Moose, put Dad in and he drew the first year............
Points in Montana...........No draws except for this year finally drew deer and elk with FOUR points
Points in Wyoming...........None $$$$
Points in Nevada............None $$$
Points in Utah...............None $$
Points in Arizona...........None $$$$
Points in Colorado.........None $
Points in Oregon...........None $
each dollar sign represents the cost to apply and to get that point.
Post by: Ridgerunner on May 06, 2008, 08:36:48 AM
Post by: WDFW-SUX on May 06, 2008, 08:37:27 AM
Post by: actionshooter on May 06, 2008, 08:46:01 AM
Before this state went to points the number of applications was WAY less than what it is now for ALL species.Before this state went to points less people in general were interested in putting in for the big 3. Putting in for tags and collecting points has become the cool thing to do :bash:
Post by: boneaddict on May 06, 2008, 08:47:30 AM
Post by: shanevg on May 06, 2008, 09:11:41 AM
the expensive thing to do.
It's no more expensive than just applying for the tags without ever getting drawn. Points are at least a way to "feel" like you are getting something for your dollar where at least you aren't getting any farther behind other applicants as long as you keep applying.
Post by: shanevg on May 06, 2008, 09:16:54 AM
Post by: boneaddict on May 06, 2008, 09:28:22 AM
Post by: Skyvalhunter on May 06, 2008, 09:38:29 AM
Post by: shanevg on May 06, 2008, 09:42:11 AM
Post by: WDFW-SUX on May 06, 2008, 10:06:21 AM
Point systems were designed for hunters in there 40-50's to have a chance at a great tag before they can no longer hunt and that has crated a situation where people who did not start applying until recently have an almost impossible disadvantage because of the back log of points at the top of the list.
Id love for a single nationalized draw system with no points but it will never happen.........just think of all the apps every year that are out there because someone does not want to fall behind the point curve.......especially when one point could mean a 10 year difference in drawing a tag.
Post by: Skyvalhunter on May 06, 2008, 10:15:50 AM
Post by: shanevg on May 06, 2008, 10:18:12 AM
Yea but do you honestly think that those people who have built up points would realistically be willing to give up their points(and in some cases where you had to buy points or a non resident hunting lisc) to start from scratch with everyone else?
Nope, it's an endless, vicious cycle! The best they could do is stop issuing points, and then wait until everyone has used their points up.
Post by: Skyvalhunter on May 06, 2008, 10:21:16 AM
Post by: boneaddict on May 06, 2008, 10:24:05 AM
Post by: shanevg on May 06, 2008, 10:33:26 AM
Post by: boneaddict on May 06, 2008, 10:39:03 AM
Post by: shanevg on May 06, 2008, 10:46:36 AM
That is normal and absolutely a great plan. Here is the problem with those points you love. I will have about 12 in Utah and max will be about 24 and you will be at zero. Essentially it will be too late for you to ever hunt a premium hunt, same for Colorado, same for Nevada, same for Arizona, Wyoming and even Montana, except for maybe deer or elk. If you are lucky then you can apply for Idaho and have a great chance. If they start a point system, then you will be that far behind in that one. Its one of the biggest issues for young hunters.
I know, that's the problem I am seeing. I love points to an extent because it increases your chances of getting drawn each additional years. But with the number of hunters playing the point system, I am basically screwed in a lot of the good states. I have very mixed feelings and the more I talk about it, the more I want to do away with points. The only real solution I can see is setting a maximum number of points hunters can have. That way long time applicants still have an advantage, but new applicants can eventually catch up.
Post by: NRA4LIFE on May 06, 2008, 11:05:11 AM
Oh well, sour grapes I guess. at least I can draw deer and elk in MT every other year or so. Of course, I'll probably spend a grand or more on gas this year........ Dang this hunting thing is getting expensive.
Post by: ThePascoKid on May 06, 2008, 03:12:48 PM
Post by: zackmioli on May 06, 2008, 03:31:40 PM
Post by: Machias on May 06, 2008, 03:36:37 PM
Post by: Antlershed on May 06, 2008, 03:47:11 PM
Post by: billythekidrock on May 06, 2008, 04:05:35 PM
Here's a question about the new AHE permit areas at St. Helens. Can the winner of the westside elk raffle tag hunt those areas? It seems to me like they would be able to...
Shouldn't be able to unless they are a Master Hunter.
Post by: Antlershed on May 06, 2008, 04:09:45 PM
Westside Elk Raffle Permit
Number of permits: 1
Bag limit: One additional any bull elk
Open area and season: Western Washington,
EXCEPt GMU 485 and those GMUs closed
to elk hunting, and those GMUs not opened
to branch-antlered bull elk hunting by the
Fish and Wildlife Commission
Open season: Sept. 1-Dec. 31, 2008
Weapon: Any legal weapon
Eastside Elk Raffle Permit
The only thing I can find that might make them not open is that they are permits for an "Elk Area" rather than a "GMU", even though those Elk Areas are within GMU's. Nothing says the entire GMU must be open...
:dunno: :dunno: :dunno:
Post by: bobcat on May 06, 2008, 07:15:03 PM
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those GMUs not opened to branch-antlered bull elk hunting by the Fish and Wildlife Commission
Post by: Antlershed on May 06, 2008, 08:00:57 PM
Post by: shanevg on May 06, 2008, 08:03:36 PM
Post by: Antlershed on May 06, 2008, 08:04:36 PM
Post by: bobcat on May 06, 2008, 08:40:27 PM
So Antlershed, I assume that is the one you are referring to? I don't think the raffle permit holder would (or should) be able to hunt that area, unless he is also a Master Hunter (as BTKR said.)
I think the other three MAY be open to the raffle permit hunter, but I would want to verify that with the DFW. Of course, chances are, I, or anybody else on this board, will not have to worry about whether we can hunt there or not. First we would have to win that raffle.
Post by: Antlershed on May 06, 2008, 10:14:36 PM
I looked over the permits available and out of the four elk areas within the Loowit GMU, three of them have permits available for all user groups. The other Elk Area (Pumice Plains) is only available to AHE hunters.Actually I hadn't looked that in depth at the permits to see there were some available to non AHE guys. I was just flipping through the regs at work today and that question popped into my mind. I'm not saying they should be able to, but the regs are not very clear whether or not they can.
So Antlershed, I assume that is the one you are referring to? I don't think the raffle permit holder would (or should) be able to hunt that area, unless he is also a Master Hunter (as BTKR said.)
I think the other three MAY be open to the raffle permit hunter, but I would want to verify that with the DFW. Of course, chances are, I, or anybody else on this board, will not have to worry about whether we can hunt there or not. First we would have to win that raffle.
Post by: Craig on May 08, 2008, 03:58:32 PM
Post by: Bigshooter on May 08, 2008, 06:20:39 PM